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Svanja posted:From the NY Times article on Grayson: Hedgefunds are a blight on modern society.
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Lemming posted:I like how Frustrated Parent doesn't seem to understand that the point is that Jack did it wrong. "what did jack do wrong?" "what jack did wrong was fail to meet the basic qualifications of the job. if this twelve year old were under my employ i would fire him for poor performance and negligence. there is no excuse for shoddy work"
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Feb 12, 2016 22:06
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Zelder posted:That's a weird dichotomy of concern trolls The point is they have a lot of time on their hands.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:07
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Noam Chomsky posted:I don't really cheer-lead either candidate or any candidate but I do find it funny that the only time anyone complains about election chat in USPol it just happens to be when anything pro-Bernie or anti-Hillary is posted. I'm not necessarily cheer leading so much as mocking certain posters' timeless devotion to a less-than-progressive candidate. Hey, remember when the thread got moved to YCS and then gassed because of the poo poo you've stated you're intentionally trying to do? Stop it you dipshit rear end in a top hat.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:08
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Same, except I did quite well at math. Not that it's all great but take for example the "bad problem" that convinced me: Hold on, what is this number line poo poo. Also what grade is this? Just at a glance this looks dumb. I'm in agreement with 'frustrated parent', at least with the information only provided in this image.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:09
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Shageletic posted:Hedgefunds are a blight on modern society. I really do need to learn what hedgefunds actually are... I've just assumed its like 'hedging a bet' on things and that its like the hyena or vulture of the stock market. I'm sorry, economics has never, ever been my strong suit.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:10
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pathetic little tramp posted:West Virginia's governor vetoed Right to Work, but was overridden today by a simple majority of the House of Delegates. This marks the 26th state where unions will be devoid of any real power. As a former West Virginian, I can tell you that the chucklefucks in that state who have blamed everything from blacks to mexicans to 'dem fuckin queers *spits out chaw*' to political correctness for their cheques getting smaller and smaller will rally behind this as the thing that will finally let them make more money at their jobs. Well at least now I don't have to feel bad about workers dying in mine collapses, since they were class traitors anyway.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:12
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hold on, what is this number line poo poo. Also what grade is this? How dare homework not include all the knowledge required to solve it on the same page! When I was in school the answers were written upside down on the bottom and we liked it!
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Feb 12, 2016 22:14
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hold on, what is this number line poo poo. Also what grade is this? The "number line poo poo" is so you can do the subtraction in your head instead of needing to write it out on paper. 427 minus 316 becomes "ok, take away 300, I get 127, then take away 10, I get 117, take away 6, I get 111." The point is to try to teach the "tricks" that people develop once they have a good understanding directly instead of just teaching the rote solution. Edit: Also you should always be suspicious of yourself if "at a glance" something looks dumb, because that often will just mean you lack some key information that makes it not dumb. You probably aren't the only smart person in the world. Lemming fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 22:14
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Svanja posted:I really do need to learn what hedgefunds actually are... I've just assumed its like 'hedging a bet' on things and that its like the hyena or vulture of the stock market. I'm sorry, economics has never, ever been my strong suit. That's more or less correct - they're investment funds that tend towards complex portfolios to try and minimize the chance that they'll realize big losses despite making risky bets. Also, no leverage cap, so that can get real exciting. They're more a finance topic than an economics topic, by which I mean they use slightly fewer pentagrams and have a lower expenditure on sacrificial goats.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:17
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hold on, what is this number line poo poo. Also what grade is this? It's to wire the kid's brain in such a way that they're more susceptible to anti-god socialism by teaching them that the discrete little objects you call numbers are connected in a great continuum of socialistic harmony.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:17
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Lemming posted:The "number line poo poo" is so you can do the subtraction in your head instead of needing to write it out on paper. 427 minus 316 becomes "ok, take away 300, I get 127, then take away 10, I get 117, take away 6, I get 111." The point is to try to teach the "tricks" that people develop once they have a good understanding directly instead of just teaching the rote solution. "Tricks" that, as I've explained, are actually more representative of the actual mechanics than the rote pen-and-paper algorithm is.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:18
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hold on, what is this number line poo poo. Also what grade is this? It's just a different way of visualizing and conceptualizing distances between numbers using a number line, typically by using units of 10, 100 etc because they're easy to work with in your head. I find it funny that the person who did differential equations can't figure out the difference between moving 6 units to the left (which is what the mistake is) instead of moving 6 groups of 10.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:19
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Lemming posted:The "number line poo poo" is so you can do the subtraction in your head instead of needing to write it out on paper. 427 minus 316 becomes "ok, take away 300, I get 127, then take away 10, I get 117, take away 6, I get 111." The point is to try to teach the "tricks" that people develop once they have a good understanding directly instead of just teaching the rote solution. Awesome, thank you for a actual reply explaining what this is rather than the condescending replies that seem to try to make me feel like a loving caveman for using *gasp* a pencil and paper to solve math. Is long division still something that is taught? I showed my nephews and niece that before and they acted like I just showed them fire for the first time.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:20
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Svanja posted:I really do need to learn what hedgefunds actually are... I've just assumed its like 'hedging a bet' on things and that its like the hyena or vulture of the stock market. I'm sorry, economics has never, ever been my strong suit. To my limited knowledge, they are basically mutual funds (entities that, to put it simply, invest monies into a variety of stocks and bonds for their clients) without the disclosure or regulation. So think of a lot of money, wielded by a lot of sociopaths. Among the many ills they are responsible for (including crucial roles in the GFC of 08), is bankrupting and causing widespread misery in the poorest and most desperate of countries and territories. Including right here, in the territory of Puerto Rico! quote:This is a distress call from a ship of 3.5 million American citizens that have been lost at sea,” Puerto Rico Governor Alejandro García Padilla said on December 1, begging the Senate Judiciary Committee to help protect his homeland from an unspooling disaster. After issuing bonds for over a decade on everything not nailed down, Puerto Rico now carries $73 billion in debt, a sum that García Padilla had termed “not payable” in June. Successive governments have enacted punishing austerity measures to service the debt, despite a stubbornly depressed economy and poverty rates near 50 percent. Now, after defaulting on smaller loans, it’s likely that much of the $957 million due January 1 will go unpaid, bringing more chaos and suffering at the hands of Puerto Rico’s creditors. quote:“They see Puerto Rico as an opportunity for huge earnings, just like in Greece.” Poor performance by other recent hedge fund plays makes them even more desperate for a payday from Puerto Rico. quote:To pay back the debt, Puerto Rico has delayed tax refunds and payments to suppliers, cut back on health care and public transportation services, fired 30,000 public-sector workers, closed 100 schools, increased the sales tax by more than 50 percent, and even forced community credit unions to take IOUs in exchange for cash. The poverty rate on the island is around 45 percent, and only 40 percent of the labor force has a job. Trapped in an economic death spiral, the tax base has eroded, amid massive out-migration to the U.S.: Puerto Rico has lost 300,000 citizens since 2006. “In Puerto Rico today, the hardest thing to find is a suitcase,” says Eric LeCompte of the faith organization Jubilee USA. “They can’t keep them on the shelves.” http://prospect.org/article/how-hedge-funds-are-pillaging-puerto-rico EDIT: Don't forget they only pay taxes a fraction, percentwise, of what you and I do, for some reason.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:20
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Lemming posted:The "number line poo poo" is so you can do the subtraction in your head instead of needing to write it out on paper. 427 minus 316 becomes "ok, take away 300, I get 127, then take away 10, I get 117, take away 6, I get 111." The point is to try to teach the "tricks" that people develop once they have a good understanding directly instead of just teaching the rote solution. The second I see my son (he's 10) has math homework, I get out of the way. Luckily my husband has no problems figuring this new way out, but I never learned 'tricks'-- always need to write stuff out (I'm 45). I understand Common Core is supposed to make things easier for kids, but I've been that frustrated parent. The first time I saw a question ask my son to explain how he came to an answer, I told him "Uh, you used subtraction?" and he rolled his eyes at me.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:20
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SumYungGui posted:I know I shouldn't, I really, really shouldn't but it's almost pathological. One topic I absolutely cannot resist on Face-space-twitter is those mouth breathing poo poo heads spewing the memes about the common core math homework assignment their kids got and just The hilarious part is that common core arithmetic techniques make it easier to do math as they actually teach you why weird bullshit tricks work instead of just saying "do this because I say it works." Tally marks while doing subtraction make no more sense than the stuff common core teaches for doing subtraction problems. If you teach kids numeracy from a young age math won't be this big scary thing, it'll just be another tool that you have. But no, people are doing things differently so we have to get mad!!!!
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Feb 12, 2016 22:21
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in their own smugly superior ignorance about how smart they are that they can understand how stupid and useless this technique is. It hits every one of my buttons and just drives me up a god drat wall to see someone be so completely assured that their existence as the Platonic ideal of 'Ignorant rear end in a top hat' means that obviously this thing is wrong, why should I spend ten seconds trying to learn about it? It's so obviously wrong because I'm right so we shouldn't even bother understanding what it is and what it can do.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:22
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hold on, what is this number line poo poo. Also what grade is this? I think a lot more people would get the number line if it went from left to right, not right to left. edit: at least to me anyway, makes sense going from hundreds to tens to whatever. Doctor Butts fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 22:23
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Lemming posted:The "number line poo poo" is so you can do the subtraction in your head instead of needing to write it out on paper. 427 minus 316 becomes "ok, take away 300, I get 127, then take away 10, I get 117, take away 6, I get 111." The point is to try to teach the "tricks" that people develop once they have a good understanding directly instead of just teaching the rote solution. I always sucked at math but did some self teaching years ago to improve a bit and that sounds somehwat like how I do mental math. Not exactly like that, but dividing up the numbers into easier handled numbers. 400-300 = 100 20-10=10 7-6=1 1+10+100 = 111 This sounds more streamlined than what I do.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:23
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Svanja posted:The second I see my son (he's 10) has math homework, I get out of the way. Luckily my husband has no problems figuring this new way out, but I never learned 'tricks'-- always need to write stuff out (I'm 45). I understand Common Core is supposed to make things easier for kids, but I've been that frustrated parent. The first time I saw a question ask my son to explain how he came to an answer, I told him "Uh, you used subtraction?" and he rolled his eyes at me. I explained to my niece once about the trick to multiplying nines and she looked at me like I was a loving wizard. I guess our tricks are outdated 
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Feb 12, 2016 22:24
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Number line for +-*/ to grid for algebra to calc to geometry is actually a super easy and intuitive way to convey the material, even if it is very different from how we do it today, so stop hating
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Feb 12, 2016 22:30
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hold on, what is this number line poo poo. Also what grade is this? Yes one example exercise entirely divorced from context and not even attempting to understand what it is conveying looks strange. This should not come as a shocker to anyone but welp here we are so of course context means zero point jack poo poo. AS AN ILLUSTRATION (seriously that part right there is really important) I'll set up an example based on the rote memorization mathematics philosophy most people were probably taught under. THIS WILL BE AN ILLUSTRATION and that context can hopefully be expanded on to explain why this approach to mathematics takes the steps it does and how, when given in context, they make a lot more sense. Imagine if you will you're first or second grader or something who has zero concept of what multiplication is because you're still a kid, glue tastes good and you learned to tie your shoes last year. You've just completed a section of mathematics explaining how you can take one number, put it next to another number and "add" them to get a bigger number. This was probably illustrated with blocks or something because you're a kid and the world is new to you. So you've got this addition stuff down and now the teacher starts talking about multiplication. Through some wizardry that means precisely nothing to you yet, 7 and 7 can equal 49. Well that makes no sense because 7 and 7 makes 14 while 4 and 9 makes 13 so what's all this stuff about? Then the teacher explains it to you as 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 = 49. Hey that makes sense you're basically doing a lot of that adding stuff you figured out not too long ago. So when you get 32 * 17 just add 32 + 32 + 32..... Wait that sucks. So you learn how to multiply numbers. You used the concept that was given to you before, expanded on it to absorb a new technique of dealing with numbers and now you've progressed as a student. But you're parents are so god drat stupid with no loving clue about anything they run to Face-space-twitter and poo poo out a meme onto the world how 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 is such a dumb way to do math why would anyone bother with that it's complicated and useless and takes too long and anyone who tries to do things that way is dumb and stupid and we're so much better than them because we don't do things that way. Well congratu-loving-lations on latching on to 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7, now get out of the room and let the people who are smarter than their shoe size teach your children because you're not qualified to do a drat thing. edit: this has a harsh tone but it's not direct towards you. It's directed towards the parents who don't even begin to ask the questions you just did attempting to figure out what is going on and just get all  about how they're right
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Feb 12, 2016 22:31
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The 'new' math thing from the perspective of someone who didn't learn math that way is sort of like a 'see it or you don't' puzzle. It doesn't mean you suck at math or suck as a person. Just means your brain didn't pick up the thing buried in the number line. Teaching math like this really does own though.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:32
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDD5n0eweBk
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Feb 12, 2016 22:32
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Shageletic posted:http://prospect.org/article/how-hedge-funds-are-pillaging-puerto-rico My god, that article is horrifying. And the "millionaire invasion" part makes me want to throw up. Thank you for helping me learn about this!!! BetterToRuleInHell posted:I explained to my niece once about the trick to multiplying nines and she looked at me like I was a loving wizard. I guess our tricks are outdated Yeah, I hear you. I was mortified that I felt stupid over his 4th grade homework. Now that he's in 5th, I just tell him how happy I am that he loves math and walk away slowly. hahaha Svanja fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 22:32
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His Divine Shadow posted:I always sucked at math but did some self teaching years ago to improve a bit and that sounds somehwat like how I do mental math. Not exactly like that, but dividing up the numbers into easier handled numbers. Well the point isn't even to just teach one algorithm for doing this, but to teach many and be able to train students on generating their own through comparison. This particularly applies to programming. I don't use arithmetic itself all that much as a programmer, but I do need to be able to understand how to generate solutions to problems through the commonalities to them.
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axeil posted:The hilarious part is that common core arithmetic techniques make it easier to do math as they actually teach you why weird bullshit tricks work instead of just saying "do this because I say it works." Tally marks while doing subtraction make no more sense than the stuff common core teaches for doing subtraction problems. If you teach kids numeracy from a young age math won't be this big scary thing, it'll just be another tool that you have. I've never really looked at alternative ways of learning/teaching math but it wasn't particularly difficult to see what they were doing after looking at that problem for a bit. It's kind of funny seeing an EE go off on a rant which basically boils down to them thinking they way they learned how to do a task is the one, true, correct way. In EE you often come across problems that have numerous possible solutions, so that sort of thinking isn't very helpful.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:35
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Aside from the lighter regulatory and disclosure requirements, hedge funds differ from mutual funds wrt to the incentive problem. Mutual fund managers tend to chase peer/benchmark performance and have less of their comp tied to fund performance. Hedge fund managers live or die on their performance. Put another way, mutual fees charge based on how much money they manage, hedge funds have a performance fee structure (old 2/20). A lot of systemic issues fall out of that although financial academics argue that the fee structure of hedge funds reduce the principal-agent problem. Questions like this make me wish there's a mega-finance thread but they always get shitted up.
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DemeaninDemon posted:The 'new' math thing from the perspective of someone who didn't learn math that way is sort of like a 'see it or you don't' puzzle. It doesn't mean you suck at math or suck as a person. Just means your brain didn't pick up the thing buried in the number line. Apparently it does because the temperament of the replies so far are as if I insulted their mothers as well as questioned the math. It still seems odd that this particular method is somehow easier than simply writing out x-y=z, which itself is just a written expression than can be done in your head anyways. BUT, BUT, I acknowledge the lone image isn't a full representation of what they are trying to teach. vvvvv Quite true, my poor choice of words betrayed me vvvvv BetterToRuleInHell fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 22:40
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Apparently it does because the temperament of the replies so far are as if I insulted their mothers as well as questioned the math. You didn't exactly set out a good precedent yourself: BetterToRuleInHell posted:Hold on, what is this number line poo poo. Also what grade is this?
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Feb 12, 2016 22:43
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Apparently it does because the temperament of the replies so far are as if I insulted their mothers as well as questioned the math. It still seems odd that this particular method is somehow easier than simply writing out x-y=z, which itself is just a written expression than can be done in your head anyways. Partially we can blame the people who get all huffy puffy and refuse to admit they're wrong after learning that the bag o tricks math method owns. They suck and make math nerds mad. Surprised no one brought up how that EE's example gets shot out the water when doing 1000 - 999.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:46
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It's also much more intuitive when subtracting a negative.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:48
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Excuse me I think you mean Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:51
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Apparently it does because the temperament of the replies so far are as if I insulted their mothers as well as questioned the math. It still seems odd that this particular method is somehow easier than simply writing out x-y=z, which itself is just a written expression than can be done in your head anyways.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:55
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Frustrated Parent Uses One Weird Trick to Solve Math Problem. Washington Bureaucrats Hate Him!
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Feb 12, 2016 22:56
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Apparently it does because the temperament of the replies so far are as if I insulted their mothers as well as questioned the math. It still seems odd that this particular method is somehow easier than simply writing out x-y=z, which itself is just a written expression than can be done in your head anyways. One of the more awe inspiring things to realize about math, and something that would seriously never have happened to me if it weren't for one specific amazingly good teacher, is that at some point it transitions into what feels like learning a language, not learning math. There comes a point where things just click together and you realize you're not just memorizing another stupid pointless formula, you're figuring out the alphabet of an entirely different language that can show you some really mind-blowing things. People are messy though and, if they manage to get lucky enough to have a really amazing teacher, they come to that realization internally and based on the methods of learning that they employ. These methods can be wildly, HUGELY different from one person to the next. It's almost like those seeing eye "3D" images. You kinda either get them or you don't based on how you view the world. For some people learning the classic method really is how they grasp it the best. For others the techniques being included in common core will just 'click' and unlock the concept for them so, sooooo much faster while the classic methods are so odious that they will just shut down and ignore mathematics for the rest of the entire lives thinking they're the problem. That last fact is completely ignored by some in favor of making GBS threads out memes and their children will pay for it.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:56
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This thread is the teacher and BetterToRuleInHell is the little girl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2MHDOiT8Ak
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Feb 12, 2016 22:59
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Radbot posted:This thread is the teacher and BetterToRuleInHell is the little girl: Well now I'm definitely saying gently caress Common Core now! p.s. my math is better
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Radbot posted:This thread is the teacher and BetterToRuleInHell is the little girl: Yay for charter schools
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