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There was an episode of The Dollop Podcast about Richard Johnson. I remembered him turning absolutely nuts, even without remembering the hollow earth stuff. The title of the episode could be considered a spoiler. Also he loving killed Tecumseh. Heteroy has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Webster/Devil '36 Yeah, I'm not feeling too bad about voting for 1836 Hillary Clinton, honestly. Though the Whigs are showing that they are stupid as hell. It's pretty obvious they are just the party of no Jacksonians, which is a pretty strong platform, but ultimately going to prove weak. gently caress the slavers, get money. Also, if you vote for Johnson, you get a black First Child 167 years before real life!
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I just noticed that The Devil and Daniel Webster is listed as one of the helpful resources. When will Mr. Scratch be on a ballot near us. Edit: Heteroy posted:There was an episode of The Dollop Podcast about Richard Johnson. I remembered him turning absolutely nuts, even without remembering the hollow earth stuff. The title of the episode could be considered a spoiler. Also, this was a top flight recommendation. karmicknight has issued a correction as of 13:18 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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Thank you for voting in the Election of 1836. Fulfilling a lifetime of ambition, Daniel Webster has been elected by the people to be the President of the United States. After three long years, Ellmaker’s Anti-Masonic reign of terror has finally come to an end. Let’s hope that Webster and his Vice President Francis Granger can undo some of the damage that Ellmaker inflicted upon the banks and society writ large. RESULTS BREAKDOWN: Most Popular Ticket: Daniel Webster / Francis Granger (Whig) - 43 votes (69.4%) Martin Van Buren / Richard Mentor Johnson (Democratic) - 5 votes (8.1%) Martin Van Buren / William Smith (Democratic) - 5 votes (8.1%) William Henry Harrison / Francis Granger (Whig) - 5 votes (8.1%) William Henry Harrison / William Smith (Whig) - 2 votes (3.2%) William Henry Harrison / John Tyler (Whig) - 1 vote (1.6%) Wille Person Magnum / John Tyler (Whig) - 1 vote (1.6%) Hugh Lawson White / John Tyler (Whig) - 0 votes (0.0%) Most Popular Presidential Candidate: Daniel Webster - 43 votes (69.4%) Martin Van Buren - 10 votes (16.1%) William Henry Harrison - 8 votes (12.9%) Willie Person Magnum - 1 vote (1.6%)
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ELECTION OF 1840 Click here to vote in the Election of 1840! Background: Though Martin Van Buren had swept to office, enjoying the benefits of his relationship with Andrew Jackson, his victory soon soured. After years of speculative lending practices, a land bubble in the West, and poor lending practices, banks in New York suddenly realized that they did not have enough money to pay for their debts and attempted to cut back on lending. On 10 May, 1837, the banks announced that they could no longer accept securities at face value, which triggered a sudden panic. By 1838, many of the country’s banks had collapsed, the price of cotton has plummeted, unemployment is believed to be as high as 25% in many states across the country. Though officials have blamed a wide variety of causes, from British interference to Freemason machinations, public blame has concentrated on the Democratic Party. Newspapers have blamed the calamity on Jackson for destroying the only institution capable of guiding the economy, the Bank, and Martin Van Buren, who has refused to use government intervention like welfare and internal improvement projects, for making the situation worse. The country has been in a deep recession for almost four years, making the Panic the worst economic crisis in American history. Feeding off of Van Buren’s struggles, the Whig Party has seen a resurgence. Once derided for their disorganization, the Panic has given the Whigs an opportunity to avoid their internal disagreements and run purely as opponents to the Democrats. Rather than running an issue-centric campaign, the Whigs have nominated William Henry Harrison, a war hero and supposed frontier commoner, opposed to the elitism of the Dutch Martin Van Buren. Drawing on Harrison’s rustic roots, the Whigs have promised a common sense solution to the crisis that helps all levels of American society. Though no one is entirely sure what this will entail, many believe that it will involve the economic ideas of Henry Clay, the party’s leader and supporter of the American System. In areas dominated by Whig politicians, public improvement projects have been extremely common. The Whigs have also benefited from Van Buren’s unusual approach to foreign relations. Unlike Jackson, Van Buren has attempted to rely on diplomacy over military force and has preferred slow land purchases over unrestricted expansion. When Texas applied for admission to the Union, Van Buren refused the offer, claiming it dangerous to American interests, and began negotiations with Mexico to purchase the territory. Whig officials have expressed outrage at this policy. They accuse Van Buren of turning his back on American citizens in Texas and of engaging in needless spending when the territory could be seized and the funds used back home. Lastly, this election has seen the resurgence of two issues for social reformers: Slavery and temperance. Driven by Christian activists, abolitionists have realized that they cannot rely on the two parties to pursue real lasting change. Van Buren has proven a supreme disappointment by refusing to legislate on the issue and Harrison is expected to expand slavery far beyond its current borders. Several abolitionist groups have joined the political fray, fielding their own candidates for office. The Liberty Party is the largest of these organizations, having broken away from the Anti-Slavery Society to advocate the view that the Constitution is an anti-slavery document. The Liberty Party has not been without its own issues, however, and has suffered intense criticism from other abolitionist groups. Some, like radical abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison, have attacked the Liberty Party for joining the race at all. He claims that by participating in electoral politics, the Liberty Party has given the American government legitimacy that it doesn’t deserve. Garrison has demanded that all abolitionists boycott elections until slavery is abolished. Others have attacked the Liberty Party for their choice of candidates, noting that Thomas Earle has not devoted his entire career to opposing slavery and has instead worked within the South-dominated Democratic Party. Various groups have critiqued the Liberty Party’s platform, disagreeing with its interpretation of the Constitution, its relationship with the American Colonization Society, and its view of African American rights. As such, the abolitionists have been plagued with infighting that threatens their ability to achieve any electoral success. Exasperated, Presidential nominee James Birney has left the country to attend an anti-slavery conference rather than deal with his associates. The Candidates: DEMOCRATIC PARTY CANDIDATES: Presidential Nominee: Martin Van Buren
Vice Presidential Nominee:Richard M. Johnson
Vice Presidential Nominee:Littleton Waller Tazewell
WHIG PARTY CANDIDATES: Presidential Nominee:William Henry Harrison
Vice Presidential Nominee: John Tyler
LIBERTY PARTY CANDIDATES: Presidential Nominee: James Gillespie Birney
Vice Presidential Nominee: Thomas Earle
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Talk about poo poo election, Briney/Earle '40, smdh. At least we've got a nice template to vote in now.
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Fun Fact: Birney disowned his son and cut off all ties with him after he found out that he had joined the Freemasons. He then made a concerted effort to isolate his son from all of his friends and family. quote:My dear George, This is your daily reminder that 19th century reform movements are weird and often cruel. QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 16:23 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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Where is the option for Martin Van Buren / No Candidate. Had No Candidate been on the ballot, I feel I would like Van Buren's chances. As I am unwilling to vote John Tyler into the White House. And Van Buren lacks his perfect running mate, time for the third party game, I guess. Someday elections are going to get interesting for not bad reasons. edit: I still don't get why everyone loving hates the Freemasons. Like, do secret societies just cause the entire American public to decide Freemason delenda est? karmicknight has issued a correction as of 16:27 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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quote:Has advocated on the behalf of slaveowners, claiming that slavery and indentured servitude in the Midwest would make it a more attractive location for settlement. The only issues that he believes should be nationalized is the prohibition on Freemasonry. Harrison believes the institution to be a “moral and political evil,” with its members serving dark and unknown purposes. Freemasons are evil, but slavery is good. That's, uh...quite a guy there. On the other hand, Birney actually seems pretty terrible and I am pretty sure he would lose the inevitable civil war, and that the mass deportations probably wouldn't go well... God drat this thread is better than my history class was.
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# ? Feb 14, 2016 16:25 |
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Feel the Birn
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# ? Feb 14, 2016 16:41 |
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Dear lord...another terrible election. I can't wait to vote to start the civil war.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFaRklAYanY
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Birney/Earle! Not only do they appeal to a single issue voter like me, but I think that we should also give the two guys a chance to finally meet each other, after all: QuoProQuid posted:Birney and Earle had made no attempt to set up local organizations to support their candidacy and have not actually met one another in person. I don't like people who put too much effort into their presidential bit, because it reeks of ambition and desperation. Ibogaine has issued a correction as of 17:02 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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karmicknight posted:edit: I still don't get why everyone loving hates the Freemasons. Like, do secret societies just cause the entire American public to decide Freemason delenda est? Between 1820 and 1840, the United States experienced major internal upheaval. The Industrial Revolution forced a lot of people to lose their jobs and positions. The tail end of the Second Great Awakening caused many people to break with organized religion or join new churches. Westward expansion destroyed countless small towns and communities along the Eastern seaboard. Immigration started to change the make-up of major industrial centers. And Jacksonian reforms destroyed many of the old political clubs that had survived solely through anti-democratic practices, like the Federalist Party. In short, virtually every institution in the United States seemed to be on the verge of collapse. The exception to this upheaval were the Freemasons. Dominated by social and political elites, the Freemasons seemed to be the only ones who weren't suffering in some way. After the Morgan assassination, people started connecting these facts in their heads. Blaming the societal chaos on a series of vague, hard to understand circumstances was neither attractive nor psychologically satisfying. No, it was the Masons who were orchestrating the destruction of American society. It's because of the Masons that I lost my job. The Masons are the reason by church self-destructed. The Masons are the reason I can't see my son anymore. And then John Quincy Adams saw what was happening and tried to enlarge it to defeat Andrew Jackson. If people couldn't unite around the National Republicans, then maybe fear of further chaos could unite them.
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Can I just vote for Alexander Hamilton's corpse? I feel like it'd be more useful than any of these idiots.
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GlyphGryph posted:Freemasons are evil, but slavery is good. Birney believed that African Americans deserve equal rights and treatment and that slavery is utterly repellent. Unfortunately, he also seems to have thought that the slaves wanted to go back to Africa where they could be back in their homeland. He did not think American and slave cultures were compatible and that it would only invite unrest. To him, the most humane option was to send them back and hope that Liberia didn't implode. So... uh... hope he only gets the first part of his platform and never gets around to the second. troubled teen posted:Dear lord...another terrible election. I can't wait to vote to start the civil war. If it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty sure that a Birney election would cause a civil war, both among the states and within the abolitionist movement. CuwiKhons posted:Can I just vote for Alexander Hamilton's corpse? I feel like it'd be more useful than any of these idiots. Lucky for you, there's at least one Hamilton around that has served in a Cabinet position. Maybe, he'll run for office and destroy everything his father worked to achieve.
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troubled teen posted:Dear lord...another terrible election. I can't wait to vote to start the civil war. Birney seems to be the man for you then. He even wants Mexico to take of the kids gloves when dealing with the seditious scum in Texas.
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CuwiKhons posted:Can I just vote for Alexander Hamilton's corpse? I feel like it'd be more useful than any of these idiots. ...we said for every election ever.
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QuoProQuid posted:If it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty sure that a Birney election would cause a civil war, both among the states and within the abolitionist movement. Ibogaine posted:Birney seems to be the man for you then. He even wants Mexico to take of the kids gloves when dealing with the seditious scum in Texas. Looks like I made the right choice.
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QuoProQuid posted:And then John Quincy Adams saw what was happening and tried to enlarge it to defeat Andrew Jackson. If people couldn't unite around the National Republicans, then maybe fear of further chaos could unite them. QuoProQuid posted:Lucky for you, there's at least one Hamilton around that has served in a Cabinet position. Maybe, he'll run for office and destroy everything his father worked to achieve. This here is why you vote for ideological dynasties, rather than the simple familial kind.
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# ? Feb 14, 2016 17:29 |
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I'm just going to write in Thaddeus Stevens until we get an election with better choices.
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I'm tempted to vote in William Henry Harrison just so him dying like a moron after a month is still in our version of history.
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# ? Feb 14, 2016 19:48 |
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Feel the Birn. Now that the Free Masons are on the ropes we can destroy their slaver patrons before they can extend the institution to all humanity.
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Was Wirt the first SA-elected president to die in office? And gee, are we gonna elect the explicit abolitionist that wants Mexico to crack down on Texas? I wonder. Lycus has issued a correction as of 20:09 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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QuoProQuid posted:Though officials have blamed a wide variety of causes, from British interference to Freemason machinations, public blame has concentrated on the Democratic Party. So in the SA Timeline, have the Freemasons and anything even remotely related to them been destroyed so thoroughly that no one even thinks it could be them, or does everyone who blames Masons think Daniel Webster's election halted Ellmaker's righteous campaign prematurely?
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How many times has the South seceded already in the Gooniverse? It's gotta be approaching double digits at this point.
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Pakled posted:How many times has the South seceded already in the Gooniverse? It's gotta be approaching double digits at this point. They've sent several notices to Washington about their secession but they keep getting lost in the mail.
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QuoProQuid posted:They've sent several notices to Washington about their secession but they keep getting lost in the mail. I think it's because we've erased history immediately after each election. They can't remember why they were mad exactly and just throw the letter in a fire because no one knows what they were talking about, and assumes they were drunk when they wrote it. At least that's how I sees it.
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Carrasco posted:So in the SA Timeline, have the Freemasons and anything even remotely related to them been destroyed so thoroughly that no one even thinks it could be them, or does everyone who blames Masons think Daniel Webster's election halted Ellmaker's righteous campaign prematurely? The Freemasons are always plotting, always lurking in the shadows constant vigilance is required citizen!
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In the Goon universe the country probably fell apart when we elected His Highness, John Adams, President of the United States, and Protector of Their Liberties over Washington. And then continued electing him for 20 years. Also, I'm glad to see that leftist movements of 150 years ago were just as prone to constant infighting over ideological purity as modern ones
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karmicknight posted:edit: I still don't get why everyone loving hates the Freemasons. Like, do secret societies just cause the entire American public to decide Freemason delenda est? The Paranoid Style in American Politics is required reading for this thread, right?
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# ? Feb 14, 2016 22:16 |
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John Tyler for President so he can set the precedent that is about to be used to keep the Supreme Court at eight Justices for eleven months.
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QuoProQuid posted:Some, like radical abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison, have attacked the Liberty Party for joining the race at all. He claims that by participating in electoral politics, the Liberty Party has given the American government legitimacy that it doesn’t deserve. Can I vote for eternal president William Lloyd Garrison to burn this poo poo country to the ground and start over
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# ? Feb 14, 2016 22:51 |
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Where the gently caress were you guys why didn't you vote MAGNUM
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# ? Feb 14, 2016 23:09 |
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I'm so terribly disappointed that I didn't find this thread till now. I would've voted for Not-Andrew-Jackson so many times.
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# ? Feb 15, 2016 03:57 |
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Deporting the slaves doesn't seem like the best thought out policy but it's probably better than just having them continue to be slaves. #FeelTheBirn
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Hah, even if there was the political will for emancipation, there's no way early 19th century America could concentrate ~3 million people and deport them 5,000 miles across the planet without either killing 99% of them or provoking a massive , Haitian style revolt. Of course I still voted liberty party because they're the only interesting candidates.
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At this point we're just killing time until Debs comes along, anyway.
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Empress Theonora posted:At this point we're just killing time until Debs comes along, anyway. I'm not so certain. Candidates with strong anti-mason or hollow earth platforms might split the vote of the SA electorate. Anyway, there are two episodes of Slate's Whistlestop podcast on the 1840 election: William Henry Harrison: https://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/whistlestop/2015/03/william_henry_harrison_becomes_the_first_candidate_to_actually_campaign.html and Hurrah and Hokum https://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/whistlestop/2015/12/in_1840_whigs_and_democrats_turned_out_record_numbers_of_voters.html Ibogaine has issued a correction as of 08:57 on Feb 15, 2016 |
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Empress Theonora posted:At this point we're just killing time until Debs comes along, anyway. Greenbacks or greenfuck yourself
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