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Artix posted:Speaking of Jeb and Trump, if you get a chance you should check out Jeb's new website at https://www.jebbush.com I'm not sure where you're getting this expired domain narrative from, but Jeb Bush has never had control of jebbush.com and whoever does own it (not Trump) is redirecting it to wherever they want. See also http://www.tedcruz.com
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Radish posted:I don't think that they would have been able to actually act on it in 2001 but I don't think there would have been the unanimous support of the President we saw for Bush in the name of coming together as Americans. I could see the Republicans fostering dissent, and it might, after a stupid impeachment and an attempt to steal an election reveal them as the unamerican frauds they are and result in backlash. However, the right wing media was in full effect, so I think you're right, it'd become the big issue for 2004, which would be a repeat of 2000, with Bush claiming Gore isn't strong enough because he's not taking on Saddam. And I see Gore losing because the anti terror things he would do would turn off Nader voters like me, and with the media treating Gore like he stole the election and bungled it up, moderates would be willing to support Bush. Maybe we're not in the Darkest timeline?
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This of course assumes that 9/11 happens under a hypothetical President Gore.
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Ironically in Alternate President Gore Earth if Gore prevents 9/11 no one would really understand how bad it was and what it led to meaning there would be no "Gore was able to keep us safe" narrative.
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zoux posted:This of course assumes that 9/11 happens under a hypothetical President Gore. Yeah, I don't necessarily see Gore managing to stop it, even given the memos. While he would have kept up Clinton's bombing to attack bin Laden, I I don't see that stopping it, and don't see him fixing the security system in 9 months that led to it. Bush basically cluttered up deck chairs on the Titanic; he didn't help, but I don't think he personally led to it happening.
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feedmegin posted:...why green? 
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feedmegin posted:...why green? I assume it's a reference to the Green Mountain Boys of Vermont (Green Mountain).
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foobardog posted:Yeah, I don't necessarily see Gore managing to stop it, even given the memos. While he would have kept up Clinton's bombing to attack bin Laden, I I don't see that stopping it, and don't see him fixing the security system in 9 months that led to it. I mean it's impossible to say, but to me the attack was such a perfect storm of various incompetences and negligences that any kind of change could've led to it being uncovered. I personally don't put a huge amount of blame on the W admin for it because it was such an unbelievable and world shattering event that, without hindsight, may have in fact been impossible to prevent, memos notwithstanding. Of course pretending like he kept us safe when 3k Americans died is pretty ridiculous but I'd be fine with them painting it as an unpreventable one-in-a-trillion moon shot since that's kind of what I think it is. tldr 9/11 was an amazing accomplishment
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zoux posted:I mean it's impossible to say, but to me the attack was such a perfect storm of various incompetences and negligences that any kind of change could've led to it being uncovered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPQlXNH36mI
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Even if you give him a pass on 9/11 there are the thousands of Americans who died in Iraq because "freedom", never mind the hundreds of Iraqis that died as well.
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The REAL USPol February: 9/11 was an amazing accomplishment
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zoux posted:I mean it's impossible to say, but to me the attack was such a perfect storm of various incompetences and negligences that any kind of change could've led to it being uncovered. Yeah, but that would imply some degree of humility instead of brazen historical revisionism.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bvl6spBVEc rip daily show
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Look it's pretty clear that the guy who belongs to a whites only country club isn't using racist code words. I mean come on, really. It's definitely coincidence he mentioned hunting them with dogs and that using attack dogs on black people was a thing in our nation's history. I can't believe posters here actually think a guy like that could be racist. Perhaps it is truly the libs who are the real racists.  When I lived in Atlanta I heard "democrat" used to refer to people negatively and only ever by white people referring almost exclusively to minorities. Nostalgia4Infinity posted:SCOTUSblog saying Loretta Lynch most likely to get nomination. The only pick that would be more idiotic would be Eric Holder. Lynch was barely allowed in and the GOP would just point at her role as AG and say something like "look at how she attacks Real Americans and Jesus" and it's done. They will get a shitload of defense in the media and Obama will have given them the excuse they need to stonewall until President Trump can nominate Ted Cruz or something. Though a pick as bad as Lynch would be in line with Dems and their ability to waste a good opportunity. Obama just needs to call the GOP's bluff by nominating Sandra Day O'Connor to return to the bench.
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' you should recognize that an elected official in a state with a long history of horrible subjugation of black people probably knows exactly how it sounded.
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This is not different from any other candidate. Like any one of Obama's judges could also be hit with "look at how they attack Real America by supporting abortion/preventing prayer in school/dumb bullshit/etc". And you do know that O'Connor was a Reagan appointee right? There's no guarantee she'll actually do what the Democrats want. computer parts fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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MacheteZombie posted:So if there isn't a new SC Justice appointed until the election, will voter turnout be higher? I assume not. Oh I think it energizes social policy voters of both parties pretty well, and high turnout elections favor democrats. I mean this is Roe v Wade at stake after all.
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How do the US marshals have the time to be doing this? You just know this is going to end in someone dying, because generally when armed people surround your house, and you have a gun, things don't tend to end well.
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Logikv9 posted:I hope Obama nominates Ted Cruz just so we can have the entire GOP establishment have a heart attack and so Trump can rant on Twitter about how Ted Cruz's own party can handle the thought of him in the judiciary. That sounds like a dangerous game of brinkmanship. Also, can a Canadian serve on the Supreme Court?
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Secret Machine posted:That sounds like a dangerous game of brinkmanship. Also, can a Canadian serve on the Supreme Court? Unlike the President, there's no Constitutional requirements for Justices. Of course, that's because the framers blew their load on the legislative and executive articles, and the judicial article seems like an afterthought. The Bill of Rights is a halfhearted fingering when Columbia pointed out she had not gotten off yet.
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Logikv9 posted:I hope Obama nominates Ted Cruz just so we can have the entire GOP establishment have a heart attack and so Trump can rant on Twitter about how Ted Cruz's own party can handle the thought of him in the judiciary. While hilarious, the downside is that runs the real risk of Justice Cruz. That's like lighting a match in a room so your don't trip over the opened boxes of gunpowder.
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FlamingLiberal posted:How do the US marshals have the time to be doing this? This is really ridiculous as gently caress. How the gently caress is the US Marshall service at the beck and call of private debt collectors to haul you in to jail and court on their say so with no rights being read and at gun point. I mean, holy poo poo, we are approaching debt prison crap here.
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Khisanth Magus posted:This is really ridiculous as gently caress. How the gently caress is the US Marshall service at the beck and call of private debt collectors to haul you in to jail and court on their say so with no rights being read and at gun point. They're enforcing a judgment because the debtor got sued for defaulting and didn't show up in court, if I had to guess.
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Obama's war on whites continues apacequote:Last week Keith Humphreys noted something interesting: although incarceration rates have gone down recently, the absolute level of white incarceration has risen while the absolute level of black incarceration has fallen. But that's for prisons. What about local jails?
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OAquinas posted:While hilarious, the downside is that runs the real risk of Justice Cruz. That's like lighting a match in a room so your don't trip over the opened boxes of gunpowder. While this would obviously never happen outside my fanfictions of Best Troll President Obama, can't he just withdraw their nomination if the joke went too far?
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Looks like the debt collection agency (which bought the federal loans) took him to court and then the court issued an order for the Marshals to get him since he was delinquent. By showing up at his home with guns, he probably means they showed up while carrying, which is to be expected since they're law enforcement. This sentence is just funny to read, though: quote:He says seven deputy US Marshals showed up at his home with guns and took him to federal court where he had to sign a payment plan for the 29-year-old school loan.
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Logikv9 posted:While this would obviously never happen outside my fanfictions of Best Troll President Obama, can't he just withdraw their nomination if the joke went too far? Cruz literally believes that God chose him to save America, and feels his best moment in life was arguing a terrible thing in front of the Supreme Court as Texas AG. I think he'd take the job with gusto.
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Logikv9 posted:While this would obviously never happen outside my fanfictions of Best Troll President Obama, can't he just withdraw their nomination if the joke went too far? I think once it hits congress and they vote, it's locked in. Maybe even upon submission--every time a person "drops out" of a nomination that I've heard of (that's made it into committee), it's by request of the nominee to remove themselves from consideration.
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New PPP poll of SC GOP voters is out and here are some results that don't relate to candidates, avoiding primarychat. 64% have a good opinion of George W. Bush 60% want to ban Muslims from entering US 20% want to ban homosexuals from entering US 29% want to shut down all mosques 47% want to establish a national Muslim database 25% want to send Muslims to internment camps 23% support Japanese internment in WW2 29% wish the South won the Civil War 10% believe whites are a superior race
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Luigi Thirty posted:New PPP poll of SC GOP voters is out and here are some results that don't relate to candidates, avoiding primarychat. 
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Luigi Thirty posted:New PPP poll of SC GOP voters is out and here are some results that don't relate to candidates, avoiding primarychat. South Carolina: America's taint.
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Luigi Thirty posted:New PPP poll of SC GOP voters is out and here are some results that don't relate to candidates, avoiding primarychat. Honestly kinda surprised it's only 10%.
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Luigi Thirty posted:New PPP poll of SC GOP voters is out and here are some results that don't relate to candidates, avoiding primarychat. 10% seems low for SC republicans.
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Luigi Thirty posted:10% believe whites are a superior race That's... Kind of heartening? Like I'd prefer it if no one thought that explicitly, but that's less than I expected. I think it'd be higher if it was phrased as "are blacks an inferior race?"
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Khisanth Magus posted:This is really ridiculous as gently caress. How the gently caress is the US Marshall service at the beck and call of private debt collectors to haul you in to jail and court on their say so with no rights being read and at gun point. I mean, holy poo poo, we are approaching debt prison crap here. Well, we practically have a revival of company scrip vis a vis depositing paychecks into company pay cards as is the case with Wal-Mart, AMC Theaters, and other chains, so... E: It is scary though to think of a pseudo-privatized co-option of governmental force like the Pinkertons to crack heads making a comeback. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Logikv9 posted:I hope Obama nominates Ted Cruz just so we can have the entire GOP establishment have a heart attack and so Trump can rant on Twitter about how Ted Cruz's own party can handle the thought of him in the judiciary. Nah, offer the position to Jeb. Not only is he a flaming liberal compared to Cruz (outside of his personal love of vegetables and the family longing for eternal war in the mideast, but the latter's at least not something he can really prosecute effectively in the Supreme Court) but Obama would get to offer it as a consolation prize for losing the election. 
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