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Lmao this is some MGSV phantom pain poo poo. *CREDITS* *phone rings* Yes sir... Gavin may have become aware of the secret radio. I agree, its too late anyway Yes sir Bundy Boss may still be a factor Very good.....MR PRESIDENT *Directed by hideo kojima*
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Bobulus posted:What kills me is, even if you accept that David somehow had an extra, secret radio that no one knew about, you have to ignore the following observable facts: You forgot such restrictive mitigating factors, such as "the WORLD was watching!"
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Feb 16, 2016 18:07
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Actually I would play the gently caress out of a Malheur mgsv expansion. The giant monologues about America are already written, why not.
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It would be kind of a bummer to have to do on site procurement and only be able to find AR15's with shocking amounts of attachments.
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pillsburysoldier posted:You forgot such restrictive mitigating factors, such as "the WORLD was watching!" The thing that I don't understand is that they say that, but the explanation for why Ammon Bundy and the other leaders didn't get black op'd out of existence, and they actually provided footage of them taking down Tarpman is a non-committal shrug as they explain that government is loving stupid? I mean I understand that they're being gross hypocrites and showing a lack of critical thinking, I'm just having a hard time understanding how the human brain can bend and twist itself around like that without cutting off blood to some part of it.
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*david fry dting on the ground* ...saying hallelujah into the kinect...*cough cough*...hehe...I never saw that coming.
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E-Tank posted:The thing that I don't understand is that they say that, but the explanation for why Ammon Bundy and the other leaders didn't get black op'd out of existence, and they actually provided footage of them taking down Tarpman is a non-committal shrug as they explain that government is loving stupid? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Actually I would play the gently caress out of a Malheur mgsv expansion. The giant monologues about America are already written, why not. "SNAKE, Look out! There are bottles on the ground. You have to crawl slowly or find another way!"
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Cliven is trying for bail. Did he ever show his financial records to prove he qualified for a public defender? http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/article/Cliven-Bundy-heads-back-to-court-seeking-release-6833708.php
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FetusSlapper posted:Cliven is trying for bail. Did he ever show his financial records to prove he qualified for a public defender? Not according to that article: It's unclear who will represent Bundy. He asked for a court-appointed attorney at an initial hearing last week, but U.S. Magistrate Judge Janice Stewart said she wanted to see financial documents first. "The court only appoints counsel for those who can't afford an attorney," Stewart said.
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Why's he even want a public defender? Has this ever been explained? Why not collect some funds from his supporters for an attorney, or represent himself if he wants to act more insane?
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McNerd posted:Why's he even want a public defender? Has this ever been explained? Why not collect some funds from his supporters for an attorney, or represent himself if he wants to act more insane? Same reason as what started this in the 90s: He's a cheap bastard.
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Hah that guy's a flight risk if there every was one. Hell, even if he didn't flee the risk of a horde of gun toting militia members descending on the area and provoking another confrontation would be pretty high
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FetusSlapper posted:Cliven is trying for bail. Did he ever show his financial records to prove he qualified for a public defender? No sane judge is going to trust him to show up for court and grant him bail.
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Feb 16, 2016 19:03
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OAquinas posted:Your teeth! The signals enter in through a transmitter secretly implanted in your teeth...not making this up folks. You don't need to take them out to make sure you're safe, but if you don't make sure you're always chewing on some gummy candy to scatter and dampen the signal. Use sugar-free to avoid the weight-gain! Nah, it isn't your teeth, it's the fillings in them. Lucile Ball confirmed this when she located some secret spy network in WWII when she felt the signals gently caress with her fillings FetusSlapper posted:Cliven is trying for bail. Did he ever show his financial records to prove he qualified for a public defender? lol, nooooooooooooope! SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Feb 16, 2016 19:23
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Lmao this is some MGSV phantom pain poo poo.  for real. poo poo like that guy's stream should have to have something like *FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY* plastered all over it.
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What happens if Cliven doesn't report to them the money he has? Will they just deny him trial and ship him to prison for contempt of court or some other thing? Is there some sort of time limit they can hold him?
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I don't know but I'll take a run at it. They will appoint a lawyer and bill him for it. Then sell his assets to pay the bill
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Crabtree posted:What happens if Cliven doesn't report to them the money he has? Will they just deny him trial and ship him to prison for contempt of court or some other thing? Is there some sort of time limit they can hold him? They'd just refuse to appoint a public defender, so he would have to hire his own or represent himself. Of course if he just flat refused to do either of those things he would wind up in contempt at some point, but that seems like a pretty stupid hill to die on, even for him. edit: Or what the previous poster said? I don't know. I don't think the entire case is going to be derailed over this minor issue, is the main thing. McNerd fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Goodpancakes posted:I don't know but I'll take a run at it. They will appoint a lawyer and bill him for it. Then sell his assets to pay the bill Most likely this. The legal system has a way to make you pay when you don't want to
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Geostomp posted:"But they didn't stand still and let me use my super reflexes like Die Hard!" It's part of the whole police state narratives. Think of the stereotypes we associate with various law enforcement agencies - a good old AMERICAN sheriff knocks on the door in broad daylight and casually informs you that he's received a complaint, whereas fascist stormtroopers kick in the door in the middle of the night or kill you in a shadowy assassination plot. The whole "fair fight" thing isn't just a defense of their masculinity and action hero fantasies, it also reinforces their narrative of a brutal police state using force to bring people in for unfair or manufactured charges.
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I guess it depends on circumstances. While in their heads the movie rules are the law, when certain other things happen they'll go stupid of movie rules to explain it. The most recent I've seen is "Finicum was right handed, why would he reach for a gun holstered on his left side??!!" Checkmate sheeple. It's like the ever popular movie crossdraw was never a thing. I'm surprised they don't claim they were all victims because no one used a fully automatic pistol/rifle like all the movies portray everyone has access to
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Yea, I saw this on netflix. It's funny, but also that these guys do go out of their way to cause incidents to prove their point about jackbooted thugs and government overreach, ignoring that they caused the situation in the first place. The police will use every method to avoid anyone coming to harm, on either side. I've been told by a friend who is a cop that one of the reasons for knocking down doors is actually to get people to go out another exit where they can be taken down safely. Obviously they have to be ready in case the person inside is a stand your ground type, but the shock and awe works in either stunning people or forcing them to run.
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Main Paineframe posted:It's part of the whole police state narratives. Think of the stereotypes we associate with various law enforcement agencies - a good old AMERICAN sheriff knocks on the door in broad daylight and casually informs you that he's received a complaint, whereas fascist stormtroopers kick in the door in the middle of the night or kill you in a shadowy assassination plot. The whole "fair fight" thing isn't just a defense of their masculinity and action hero fantasies, it also reinforces their narrative of a brutal police state using force to bring people in for unfair or manufactured charges. Then again, we do have SWAT team no-knock raids actually providing a justification for "fascist stormtroopers." That article posted earlier by the anarchist who tried to join the occupiers (and left in disgust) uses things like that as one of its good points: there really are huge problems with the United States in every sense, from human rights violations and endemic corruption in policing to corporate influence on governing and lack of health care. People should be protesting and fighting long and hard to fix the problems with the country. But the Malheur occupiers, by and large, either didn't get a poo poo about the legitimate problems with the country (because they're obsessed with their own bizarre conspiracy theories and non-existent grievances) or absurdly misunderstand the causes of the problems and how they can be fixed. So they protest a government that's legitimately kinda lovely, but instead of doing anything of importance they just scream about bizarre cherry-picked interpretations of the Constitution and threaten to shoot anyone who opposes them.
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I'm actually a little curious about Bundy's financial situation. Surely all his money is tied up in cattle that the government is rightfully supposed to be auctioning off at this very moment? Are any of the proceeds from that cattle business legitimate at this point? How come they haven't just frozen all his accounts for illegal activity (or his corporation's, or whatever owns the cattle) and left him bankrupt? We got any cow lawyers here?
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Goodpancakes posted:I don't know but I'll take a run at it. They will appoint a lawyer and bill him for it. Then sell his assets to pay the bill Generally the financial statement is submitted under the penalty of perjury, so they can go after him for that. This basically never happens, but the bundys aren't popular. And yes, they can bill after the fact as well.
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Goodpancakes posted:I don't know but I'll take a run at it. They will appoint a lawyer and bill him for it. Then sell his assets to pay the bill I would be surprised if he hasn't already received numerous offers of representation from Libertarian, Sovereign Citizen poo poo-heel attorneys trying to make a name for themselves. You could represent him and demand a portion of the TV/Movie/Book royalties as your fee.
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radical meme posted:I would be surprised if he hasn't already received numerous offers of representation from Libertarian, Sovereign Citizen poo poo-heel attorneys trying to make a name for themselves. You could represent him and demand a portion of the TV/Movie/Book royalties as your fee. Yeah, but he doesn't want to go to prison for his entire life.
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Well he should have thought of that earlier.
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Taerkar posted:Well he should have thought of that earlier. A decent lawyer gives him a slim hope, a bad lawyer none. Also, I predict bundy the elder turns on everyone for his own gain if allowed to.
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Feb 16, 2016 22:29
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Check the usual suspects on twitter for the Cliven detention memo, dude if hosed. Feds going ham.
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Man I ducked out of this around a week after the raid happened and tarpman died, and now Cliven is arrested and his poo poo is being sold? A good day.
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highme posted:Check the usual suspects on twitter for the Cliven detention memo, dude if hosed. Feds going ham. http://www.scribd.com/doc/299471534/2-16-16-Doc-4-U-S-A-v-CLIVEN-BUNDY-USA-Detention-Memorandum-for-Cliven-Bundy 34 pages ooh baby
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KittyEmpress posted:Man I ducked out of this around a week after the raid happened and tarpman died, and now Cliven is arrested and his poo poo is being sold? A good day. The specifics are even better. The shitshow that was the final four's ending literally lured him into fed custody. It helped that he was dumb enough to fly commercial but yes, the more you read the funnier it gets.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:http://www.scribd.com/doc/299471534/2-16-16-Doc-4-U-S-A-v-CLIVEN-BUNDY-USA-Detention-Memorandum-for-Cliven-Bundy All this and he even manages to suck as a rancher? I should really have seen this coming.
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KittyEmpress posted:Man I ducked out of this around a week after the raid happened and tarpman died, and now Cliven is arrested and his poo poo is being sold? A good day. Here's an article I wrote explaining basically the whole occupation start to finish. I'm going to be keeping it updated as long as I can with new developments.
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SocketWrench posted:The most recent I've seen is "Finicum was right handed, why would he reach for a gun holstered on his left side??!!" Checkmate sheeple. It's like the ever popular movie crossdraw was never a thing. I'm surprised they don't claim they were all victims because no one used a fully automatic pistol/rifle like all the movies portray everyone has access to That one is particularly stupid because how the gently caress would you pull anything out of the inside pocket of a coat with the hand on the same side?
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Jumpingmanjim posted:http://www.scribd.com/doc/299471534/2-16-16-Doc-4-U-S-A-v-CLIVEN-BUNDY-USA-Detention-Memorandum-for-Cliven-Bundy quote:Bundy is lawless and violent. He does not recognize federal courts – claiming they are illegitimate – does not recognize federal law, refuses to obey federal court orders, has already used force and violence against federal law enforcement officers while they were enforcing federal court orders, nearly causing catastrophic loss of life or injury to others. He has pledged to do so again in the future to keep federal law enforcement officers from enforcing the law against him. As of the date of this hearing, he continues to violate federal court orders and continues to possess the proceeds of his illegal activities. Feds not wasting any time getting to the heart of the matter. Goodbye Cliven. You made your bed and now you get to sleep in it. e: And Bundy basically doesn't do anything with his cattle other than go looking for them when it's time to sell/slaughter them. In addition to all his stupid poo poo he "owns" about 1000 almost completely wild cattle that just roam freely at all times. 
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Evil Fluffy posted:Feds not wasting any time getting to the heart of the matter. Goodbye Cliven. You made your bed and now you get to sleep in it. told ya, the fbi builds this poo poo until they know their target is proper hosed. cliven is proper hosed.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Feds not wasting any time getting to the heart of the matter. Goodbye Cliven. You made your bed and now you get to sleep in it. This deserves to be quoted in full. quote:While Bundy claims he is a cattle rancher, his ranching operation – to the extent it can be called that – is unconventional if not bizarre. Rather than manage and control his cattle, he lets them run wild on the public lands with little, if any, human interaction until such time when he traps them and hauls them off to be sold or slaughtered for his own consumption. He does not vaccinate or treat his cattle for disease; does not employ cowboys to control and herd them; does not manage or control breeding; has no knowledge of where all the cattle are located at any given time; rarely brands them before he captures them; and has to bait them into traps in order to gather them.
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