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hmmm guys this "The Pope" character seems like a reallllll Liberal Now y'know who stands for traditional conservative values and definitely is not a golden golem animated by some kind of perverse vision of the american dream? That's right Donald J. Trump
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QuoProQuid posted:If your friend is freaking about the Pope now, he was probably never a Catholic to begin with. Oh I really doubt he ever really was one. Guys a racist as gently caress EX-NYPD detective who loving loves Trump cause of how much of a bully rear end in a top hat he is. Living on Staten Island is akin to a circle of hell
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GreyjoyBastard posted:He could pick an antipope. We have, what, five right now? Yeah, but they're all Hispanic, Canadian, or from Kansas, and who wants to listen to a guy in Wichita?
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zoux posted:I humbly submit the hottest take I've ever seen. The funny part is that he's trying to stay relevant by trolling Twitter because he doesn't have any credibility as a serious pundit. He probably really hates himself.
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Feb 18, 2016 21:50
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Luigi Thirty posted:No Tampa police officers have signed up to provide security at Beyoncé's upcoming concert because huh, so an african american woman won't be protected by the police in a public space because they refuse to protect people with her skin color for political reasons sounds like she could use the assistance of a private organization dedicated to providing public order and protection in situations where police racism interferes with their duties i wonder who could do such a thing 
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FetusSlapper posted:All that said, I can see how whacking the snot out of little balls with a heavy club might be appealing as a stress release for presidents. Playing pick-up basketball with your secret service agents and west wing nerds probably loses its appeal after you start blatantly fouling people and not getting called on it. Not that it happened, but from that scene from the West Wing I'd assume its tough playing team sports as the President. Golfchat ended, but Obama is apparently dirty and rough as gently caress at basketball. Though he's realized he's getting old and that people are just tolerating him loving things up on the court.
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What is most hilarious is that the Papacy is probably the most small-c conservative institution in the entire world. Its only competitor for "oldest extant institution in the world" is the Imperial House of Japan, so it's definitely operating in ancient institution bound by literally millennia of tradition territory here.
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Feb 18, 2016 21:55
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Politicians are not happy with Apple stonewalling. There are increasing rumblings that this may be the final straw needed to get anti-encryption legislation going.
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Feb 18, 2016 21:57
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Politicians are not happy with Apple stonewalling. There are increasing rumblings that this may be the final straw needed to get anti-encryption legislation going. Ugh, I really do not look forward to getting disappointed by Democrats on this.
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Feb 18, 2016 22:02
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Unzip and Attack posted:The funny part is that he's trying to stay relevant by trolling Twitter because he doesn't have any credibility as a serious pundit. He probably really hates himself. For someone with zero credibility, he sure is on TV a lot. We need a series of interviews with people like Cokie Roberts and Donna Brazille, I want to know what it's like to be on panels with Kristol week after week. Do they have to pretend that he's arguing in good faith? Is he just a blithering idiot and they don't want to hurt his feelings? What's really going on under Stephanopoulos' table?
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Feb 18, 2016 22:06
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Trabisnikof posted:Ugh, I really do not look forward to getting disappointed by Democrats on this. Look at the party identification of the guy who's discussed in the article.
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Feb 18, 2016 22:06
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Whats it like to live in a country with sane and competent leaders?
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His Purple Majesty posted:Whats it like to live in a country with sane and competent leaders? No one living knows.
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Actually, Canada may have just chosen one as their Prime Minister (though I'm not holding my breath).Massasoit posted:What if all cops are racist If they weren't racist, they wouldn't deliberately choose a career path all about cracking minority skulls to make upper class suburban and rural whites feel safe.
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zoux posted:No one living knows. I think Scandinavian countries had sane and competent leaders. And then the refugee problem happened and racism hit the fan and apparently a neo-nazi party is on the rise.
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http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/09/congress-expresses-serious-concern-over-new-overtime-rules/ http://tucson.com/ap/business/milli...f3a96c391b.html Obama's proposed changes to DOL overtime rules is bubbling back up again as his time in office draw closer to an end. (DC link to provide dissenting perspective) DOL is planning on getting the rules in place by the middle of May now, if they don't then Congress will get the chance to overturn them after Obama is out of office. The arguments against are exactly what you'd expect; the costs will be passed onto consumers, companies will have to make workers part-time and reduce hours, etc. Basically a bunch of whining because they don't want to pay their employees for the work they're doing and aren't about to take anything from their profits to offset the new rules. I had heard that this would also increase the number of subordinates a manager must have from three to five or six, but I'm not sure if that's still in there. All I've seen mentioned is the salary threshold being doubled (which is really awesome and will help a bunch of people).
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Khisanth Magus posted:I think Scandinavian countries had sane and competent leaders. And then the refugee problem happened and racism hit the fan and apparently a neo-nazi party is on the rise. White people really just can't handle the idea that people darker than them might also benefit from social programs that they do as well
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Look at the party identification of the guy who's discussed in the article. Several other Democrats have not been good on this, for example, Diane Feinstein and Hillary Clinton. Basically, they are banking on the newness and lack of understanding around encryption to suggest something akin to requiring all locks to be able to be opened by police skeleton keys, all phones to be tappable, and all mail to be openable on request. There is a serious problem with support of 4th amendment rights within both parties, and when not ranting about the Fed or International Reptilian Bankers, it's something Libertarians are very cogent on.
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His Purple Majesty posted:Whats it like to live in a country with sane and competent leaders? Ask the Romans living between 161-180 AD, I guess. Because unless we reanimate the corpse of Marcus Aurelius and put him in charge or build a perfect philosopher king robot to rule us, that might be the closest we get.
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Sir Tonk posted:http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/09/congress-expresses-serious-concern-over-new-overtime-rules/ This is really good and long overdue. And it is another reason why Obama is an awesome president: Doing what small things he can to really help people.
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Trabisnikof posted:Ugh, I really do not look forward to getting disappointed by Democrats on this. Feinstein has been in the tank vs 4th amendment protections since I can remember. I'm not surprised other Ds feel the same way. For as much as I hate the NRA and the gun lobbies, you have to admire their ability to keep there 2nd amendment sacrosanct. I wish the 4th amendment was as well protected.
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Quorum posted:What is most hilarious is that the Papacy is probably the most small-c conservative institution in the entire world. Its only competitor for "oldest extant institution in the world" is the Imperial House of Japan, so it's definitely operating in ancient institution bound by literally millennia of tradition territory here. I am almost certain there is a Hindu monastic order out there that can give a run for the money, but I don't actually know which. I know there are a few that easily break 1k years so we are halfway there! Comedy option: Zoroastrian churches in Iran and Azerbaijan. Or Taiwan, inheritor of the Mandate of Heaven. 
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Akumu posted:It doesn't make any sense to me, since the whole point of a bearer whatever is you have to bear it. It is the physical object itself which gives you claim, not any immaterial information that it represents, as in the case where all parties are specified. And a copy of it is enough. None of this was helped by having Congresspeople yelling about 'wet ink' documents back during the financial crash, despite them being wrong. That being said, it's entirely possible for people to get free houses by banks straight up forgetting about suing, but the banks are pretty much always having the law on their side despite all the nonsense about MERS and the documents getting shuffled around, shredded, etc.
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Jesus. He's even wrong about having opinions.
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foobardog posted:
No it isn't; the 4th Amendment doesn't protect against all searches.
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Reminds me of this: http://youtu.be/DPHQtV-heso
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To be fair, the 4th doesn't protect against decrypting THIS phone. For one, they're dead, but also they weren't citizens. However, developing the tools to assist the FBI is a precedent that isn't easily reverted and will lead to significantly weaker 4th amdt protections for US citizens. I'm not sure who will win the fight but I'm glad Apple is waging it.
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climboutonalimb posted:Feinstein has been in the tank vs 4th amendment protections since I can remember. I'm not surprised other Ds feel the same way. For as much as I hate the NRA and the gun lobbies, you have to admire their ability to keep there 2nd amendment sacrosanct. I wish the 4th amendment was as well protected. If you want to inspire a hardcore cadre like the NRA that will always get out the vote you'd have to start by avoiding dumb poo poo like "Well I don't see why you need X, furthermore dead people and reasonable regulations" but then you wouldn't be a progressive anymore.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Encryption isn't really a constitutional rights thing, it's just a stupid policy thing. You either have functional encryption or you have encryption a governmental third party can break at will, you can't have both
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DeusExMachinima posted:If you want to inspire a hardcore cadre like the NRA that will always get out the vote you'd have to start by avoiding dumb poo poo like "Well I don't see why you need X, furthermore dead people and reasonable regulations" but then you wouldn't be a progressive anymore. Ah yes the "actually Democrats need only embrace gun rights to" meme... Just because some people post in a forum for idiots "Heck I'd vote fer democrats except fer their gun laws", doesn't mean that Democrats broadly support abandoning gun control.
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judging by the care and competence put into protecting the personal information of federal employees its pretty clear we've already decided on the latter 
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Wasn't the debate over providing encryption keys/passwords that it is a 4th versus 5th amendment debate? This discussion centers mostly around providing encryption keys, specifically. My understanding is that given how encryption works, the defendant is producing evidence against themselves by providing a key to encryption. The ones-and-zeros contained in the storage medium only becomes evidence once passed through the encryption algorithm, up until that point it is meaningless static. The defendant isn't hiding anything from the investigators, instead they are being asked to render evidence against themselves by arranging the static into evidence itself. That's my basic understanding of the issue and I think it's a fascinating thought experiment. This isn't necessarily a safe with evidence within it where the defendant is declining to provide access despite probable cause. Rather, it's billions of grains of sand that when arranged in a certain way can provide proof against someone. Hopefully we have some better versed legal goons who can help comment?
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UberJew posted:Encryption isn't really a constitutional rights thing, it's just a stupid policy thing. Also: lots of non-governmental third parties e: zoux posted:Ah yes the "actually Democrats need only embrace gun rights to" meme...
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19 o'clock posted:Wasn't the debate over providing encryption keys/passwords that it is a 4th versus 5th amendment debate? This discussion centers mostly around providing encryption keys, specifically. My understanding is that given how encryption works, the defendant is producing evidence against themselves by providing a key to encryption. The ones-and-zeros contained in the storage medium only becomes evidence once passed through the encryption algorithm, up until that point it is meaningless static. The defendant isn't hiding anything from the investigators, instead they are being asked to render evidence against themselves by arranging the static into evidence itself. the iphone case isn't about compelling provision of encryption keys, but forcing the software developer to intentionally sabotage their encryption implementation so that the government can break it LGD posted:Also: lots of non-governmental third parties
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climboutonalimb posted:Feinstein has been in the tank vs 4th amendment protections since I can remember. I'm not surprised other Ds feel the same way. For as much as I hate the NRA and the gun lobbies, you have to admire their ability to keep there 2nd amendment sacrosanct. I wish the 4th amendment was as well protected.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Just a reminder that Feinstein was perfectly a ok with government spying until the CIA spied on her committee Yeah yeah, she's the worst.
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UberJew posted:the iphone case isn't about compelling provision of encryption keys, but forcing the software developer to intentionally sabotage their encryption implementation so that the government can break it I guess I get a little spooked when they conflate passwords with encryption. I definitely see that they are looking for better ways to brute force it. I hope they don't gently caress this up and outlaw "encryption without providing access to law enforcement."
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FlamingLiberal posted:Just a reminder that Feinstein was perfectly a ok with government spying until the CIA spied on her committee I really loving hate Feinstein being one of my senators. Boxer is way better and I'm sad she's the one retiring first.
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UberJew posted:the iphone case isn't about compelling provision of encryption keys, but forcing the software developer to intentionally sabotage their encryption implementation so that the government can break it Nobody is even talking about how the FBI is asking apple to develop a new capability from scratch which must work the first time without failure. This is a significant development effort that will require major resources from Apple. Do you think the FBI is going to pay for it?
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zoux posted:Ah yes the "actually Democrats need only embrace gun rights to" meme... Great. Lots of those same Democrats broadly get mad when the exact same JUST ONE LIFE logic is applied to something they like and it's really really funny.
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