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UberJew posted:right now we are in a uniquely lovely standard for budget decks where even the all in combat tricks and red creatures deck costs like 300 bucks I was gonna say prowess but then I remembered it runs Jace.... Every other two color list runs 4-10 fetches as well. Holy poo poo this standard..... I'm so excited for rhino to rotate out, it's an insufferable card to play against. And I'm usually the guy who brews g/b rock decks.
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Hey, B/R dragons is almost good, and is pretty cheap! A lot of the cards in it even survive rotation!
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Feb 18, 2016 20:13
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Fiend Computer posted:Hey, B/R dragons is almost good, and is pretty cheap! A lot of the cards in it even survive rotation! b/r Dragons uses 12 fetches. 
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Feb 18, 2016 20:14
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Mezzanon posted:I'm so excited for rhino to rotate out, it's an insufferable card to play against. And I'm usually the guy who brews g/b rock decks.
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Feb 18, 2016 20:17
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I feel like Khans fetches are something you should have by now if you've been playing a few years. Rare lands have always been the price of entry for Standard. Right now you see a lot of people not even factoring fetches into the price of decks because they just assume everyone has their playet of khans fetches. Jace is some bullshit though, specially with a graveyard block coming up. Would suck be just starting right now.
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Feb 18, 2016 20:21
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Rare lands being a price of entry to Standard doesn't somehow make Standard more affordable, that's loving dumb.
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Feb 18, 2016 20:23
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Sickening posted:b/r Dragons uses 12 fetches. Yeah I just remembered that. They're mostly there to fuel murderous cuts, so I guess if you cut those it doesn't really need them, but then you lose the inly real hard kill spell the deck runs. Man I would kill for a doom blade reprint.
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Feb 18, 2016 20:24
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The best thing about playing Belcher in modern is you don't play fetches. The worst thing about playing Belcher is you are playing Belcher. e: For budget decks though, I still love this one. Cheap-ish and sometimes the other guy doesn't get to play magic.
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Feb 18, 2016 20:26
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Forget Budget decks, just play Pauper! Get like 30 $ and have your friends to do the same and have each of you build 2-3 paupe decks and just enjoy yourselves. It's rather unfortunate that combo has been consistently banned out of the format, but beyond that you have great aggro, control, midrange and all kinds of other nutty decks you can play.
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Feb 18, 2016 20:43
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Entropic posted:I feel like Khans fetches are something you should have by now if you've been playing a few years. Rare lands have always been the price of entry for Standard. yeah, but we started on this because somebody was asking about how to get started and hadn't been playing for a few years i have my fetches but that doesn't help anybody new 
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Feb 18, 2016 20:45
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Pauper, Drafting, Cube and borrowing a friends EDH deck are the best way to enjoy magic cheap. Stay far away from modern/standard.
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Feb 18, 2016 20:57
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Buy a bunch of the 10-card repacks from Dollar Tree and have yourself a grand old time of bulk legacy sealed
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Feb 18, 2016 20:59
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I suggest all-proxy constructed if you're playing at home. Print stuff out, cover some random basics, enjoy playing with fun cards while not engaging in the humongous mess that is the magic secondary market. I also highly recommend draft, which is very fun and also a great way to spend whatever magic budget you have. Split the cost of a box with your friends, and draft a bunch at home. If you don't have enough friends, go to a game store nearby.
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Feb 18, 2016 21:01
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Limited is the actual best magic you will ever play. This is because every time you play it you get to play something new/different, even if just marginally so. Proxy up a cube (probably not a super advanced/technical powered list to start) and do that. It's boatloads of fun for everyone involved.
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Feb 18, 2016 21:07
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I have no fetches because I used to have no money. The only real paper constructed Magic I care to play is EDH, everything else I can proxy. When should I buy one of each of the Khans fetches?
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Feb 18, 2016 21:14
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Just sell your organs, play whatever decks you want.
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Mezzanon posted:I was gonna say prowess but then I remembered it runs Jace.... Every other two color list runs 4-10 fetches as well. Holy poo poo this standard..... Doesn't run Jace, it runs 10 fetchlands to fuel Treasure Cruise.
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Feb 18, 2016 21:17
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Lightning Lord posted:I have no fetches because I used to have no money. The only real paper constructed Magic I care to play is EDH, everything else I can proxy. When should I buy one of each of the Khans fetches? They'll drop slightly in price after rotation but honestly probably not enough to be worth your time to wait if you want the cards to play with this weekend or w/e
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Feb 18, 2016 21:18
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Lightning Lord posted:everything else I can proxy. When should I buy one of each of the Khans fetches? Before khans stopped being drafted
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Feb 18, 2016 21:18
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The lowest price point for cards is slightly after rotation
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Feb 18, 2016 21:20
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Rimusutera posted:Just sell your organs, play whatever decks you want. My organs don't sell for enough.
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Feb 18, 2016 21:21
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Zoness posted:you take that back she's infinitely more playable than kimahri Rikku: Mono U Kimahri: Mono G Tidus: W/R Yuna: W/G Lulu: U/R Wakka: Mono W Auron: B/W  rabidsquid posted:The lowest price point for cards is slightly after rotation Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Feb 18, 2016 |
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Feb 18, 2016 21:23
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UberJew posted:yeah, but we started on this because somebody was asking about how to get started and hadn't been playing for a few years Oh for sure. I'm just saying it's easy to forget to count fetches when looking at standard deck prices when you're an established player. And fuckin' Jace, jesus christ. Especially with a graveyard set coming. 
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Feb 18, 2016 21:28
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Angry Grimace posted:I actually think Fetchlands are somewhat unique in that general rule because they're (frequently 4-of) staples in practically every EDH, Legacy and Modern deck. I think they'll still drop a bit, standard is really big after all and there are lots of people who don't play constructed except for standard, but I think that bit is going to end up being like, a dollar, maybe two
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Feb 18, 2016 21:39
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This format is going to have madness too. inb4 $200 a pop Jace.
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Feb 18, 2016 21:39
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Just buy counterfeit fetches for standard
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Rimusutera posted:This format is going to have madness too. Actually, how good are proxy DFCs now?
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Feb 18, 2016 21:42
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:Just buy counterfeit fetches for standard Even if it's a lovely joke can we get this borderline  poo poo out of here. You're not cute or novel for suggesting thisquote:No one cares if your miniatures or other wargaming gear was made by the manufacturer or a helpful third party. However, discussing how great your bootleg figs are and where others can get them is right out. Keep it off our forums. I mean I know this thread isn't modded but posting pics of your fakes and talking up how they're indistinguishable or whatever seems to run afoul of this so v  v.
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Angry Grimace posted:I actually think Fetchlands are somewhat unique in that general rule because they're (frequently 4-of) staples in practically every EDH, Legacy and Modern deck. Yeah but it's not like fetches are gonna go down from where they are now...
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My gut tells me, just like with the shocks, people will use the excuse of "welp, I have fetches, might as well see what this 'modern' is all about..." and hang on to them. There may well be more velocity on fetches post-rotation, but they aren't going down at all.
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Dumb as gently caress thought experiment: WotC announces a "stock split" and reduces the number of cards in a booster pack while also lowering the price of a booster. Drafts become 4 packs and sealed becomes 8 packs. What should the new rarity distribution be? For example, if you cut 2 commons and 1 uncommon, and tweak the mythic rate to be 1/10, your sealed pool gains 4 commons, loses 2 uncommons, and gains ~2 rares while keeping the mythic rate approximately the same. idk why they'd even do something like this, I was just imagining what would happen if draft went up to 4 packs and what would have to happen as a result
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Feb 18, 2016 21:57
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lol See the history of Rolling Thunder and how it killed the poo poo out of L5R for years.
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Shabadu posted:Pauper, Drafting, Cube and borrowing a friends EDH deck are the best way to enjoy magic cheap. Stay far away from modern/standard. 
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Toshimo posted:lol See the history of Rolling Thunder and how it killed the poo poo out of L5R for years. I'm fairly confident no one but you knows what this is. Googling it leads to weird results, such as letting me know that rolling thunder was a lion clan technique. Then there's a PDF full of usenet quotes. I'm getting the idea that "rolling thunder" was a term that a WotC-owned L5R used to describe taking all the rarity out of L5R, so each card was basically a common? Which pissed off players for some reason? Also they were purposely short-printing sets so that stores would never have leftovers?
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Feb 18, 2016 22:18
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What is going on? Speculation on a modern madness deck with Innistrad coming? http://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Planar+Chaos/Big+Game+Hunter#paper
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BJPaskoff posted:I'm fairly confident no one but you knows what this is. Googling it leads to weird results, such as letting me know that rolling thunder was a lion clan technique. Then there's a PDF full of usenet quotes. I'm getting the idea that "rolling thunder" was a term that a WotC-owned L5R used to describe taking all the rarity out of L5R, so each card was basically a common? Which pissed off players for some reason? Also they were purposely short-printing sets so that stores would never have leftovers? Basically, they made a few bigass sets, split them up into monthly mini-expansions, and did like 8-card boosters with flattened rarities (like the old magic rarities of Uncommon1/Uncommon3). Turns out, all of those ideas suck individually and suck even more as a group. And it pretty much crippled everything it touched. Just like the idea of half-size MtG boosters would do.
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Fish Of Doom posted:What is going on? Speculation on a modern madness deck with Innistrad coming? I actually have one of these lying around because I was playing it in Abzan Company. Hilarious.
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BJPaskoff posted:I'm fairly confident no one but you knows what this is. Googling it leads to weird results, such as letting me know that rolling thunder was a lion clan technique. Then there's a PDF full of usenet quotes. I'm getting the idea that "rolling thunder" was a term that a WotC-owned L5R used to describe taking all the rarity out of L5R, so each card was basically a common? Which pissed off players for some reason? Also they were purposely short-printing sets so that stores would never have leftovers? Basically they sold way less product when it was easy for people to get what they needed, because as it turns out people who want to play the game are willing to begrudgingly fork over money to play the game while the insane collector people love going after the stupid rare poo poo while on the other hand with flattened rarities both parties buy less product.
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Fish Of Doom posted:What is going on? Speculation on a modern madness deck with Innistrad coming? Planar Chaos was a weird set and this card is pretty decent against eldrazi.
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