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NutritiousSnack posted:Clinton losing in the general for failing to actually address progressive issues would be good for the party in the long run Let's just ignore the following 8 years of GOP leadership, foreverwar and the mighty fuckening of the poor.
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Was just about to post that. Assuming the projection of a Hillary 6-point win is accurate, that means she'd be doing better than the "tied nationally" numbers, but only by a few points. Probably closer than she or her campaign would like.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Clinton losing in the general for failing to actually address progressive issues would be good for the party in the long run yeah the 1980s were spectacular for the democratic party
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NutritiousSnack posted:Clinton losing in the general for failing to actually address progressive issues would be good for the party in the long run Not just the party but America itself
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Feb 20, 2016 22:52
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The Saurus posted:Sanderistas are going to pump for Trump in the general against Hillary dude. My head would explode if this happened. If she does win the nomination I would hope she learned a little something from the Bernie hype amongst young voters and doesn't cast them away. The Clintons might be vindictive, but I think they know when to bury the hatchet when it benefits them.
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The Saurus posted:Sanderistas are going to pump for Trump in the general against Hillary dude. I see that a lot on reddit, like "Oh well Trump is actually just lying about being conservative for votes, he'll be more liberal in office so he's better than Clinton". Which is so, so stupid. People with that opinion just want an angry white dude candidate.
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I have no idea what the Democrats are supposed to stand for anymore. Republicans are some heinous regressive assholes but at least I know what they stand for.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Clinton losing in the general for failing to actually address progressive issues would be good for the party in the long run winning is always better
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Feb 20, 2016 22:53
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This is not a very convincing firewall. Also looking forward to exit polling that confirms Hillary represents old, rich voters.
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Thump! posted:Let's just ignore the following 8 years of GOP leadership, foreverwar and the mighty fuckening of the poor. You'd get those under Hillary
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Bullfrog posted:I see that a lot on reddit, like "Oh well Trump is actually just lying about being conservative for votes, he'll be more liberal in office so he's better than Clinton". Which is so, so stupid. They just want an angry white dude candidate. This is what a lot of youth voters thought about Reagan in the 80's.
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The general is going to be Clinton vs. Rubio and it's going to have record low turnout. Your dog will die and your girlfriend will leave you, the end.
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Bullfrog posted:I see that a lot on reddit, like "Oh well Trump is actually just lying about being conservative for votes, he'll be more liberal in office so he's better than Clinton". Which is so, so stupid. They just want an angry white dude candidate. The BernieBros.
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Slow Graffiti posted:I just hope that if Hillary is the nominee they go out and vote for her in the general. Part of me is worried that a lot of the kids that are getting fired up for Bernie might become disillusioned with the process and stay home if he doesn't get the nom. become disillusioned? 
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Vox Nihili posted:The general is going to be Clinton vs. Rubio and it's going to have record low turnout. Your dog will die and your girlfriend will leave you, the end. Rubio wins by 1%, never shows up for work.
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Bullfrog posted:I see that a lot on reddit, like "Oh well Trump is actually just lying about being conservative for votes, he'll be more liberal in office so he's better than Clinton". Which is so, so stupid. People with that opinion just want an angry white dude candidate. Never go on reddit, hth. Also, try maybe being less racist
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Feb 20, 2016 22:55
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Wheeee posted:You'd get those under Hillary She's slightly less worse. 
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the trump tutelage posted:I have no idea what the Democrats are supposed to stand for anymore. Republicans are some heinous regressive assholes but at least I know what they stand for. You should probably let the Republicans know about this
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Zyla posted:winning is always better Winning creates more Hillary canadaites, losing convinces them her qualties (pro wallstreet, pro prison industrial complex, pro milltary) are bad and unelectable.
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Feb 20, 2016 22:55
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It's adorable that millennials think that Clinton losing in the general will make the Dems swing left and not right
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Feb 20, 2016 22:56
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The Saurus posted:Sanderistas are going to pump for Trump in the general against Hillary dude. Why? I don't really see any overlap in their policy positions. Trump isn't going to give Sanderistas anything that they want. Is it a spite thing?
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NutritiousSnack posted:Winning creates more Hillary canadaites, losing convinces them her qualties (pro wallstreet, pro prison industrial complex, pro milltary) are bad and unelectable. Or that you're a voter likely to tantrum your way out of the process and they need to pick up votes from the right where people bother to vote.
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Thump! posted:Let's just ignore the following 8 years of GOP leadership, foreverwar and the mighty fuckening of the poor. She's extremely okay with the last other two things, and in fact would be as the GOP in the "forever war" department.
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Joementum posted:Yes. I've been to several of his events, including his annual Labor Day rally (which he wasn't at this year!) and have said "Hi" to him a couple times on Church St. when he was out shopping. Do you support him for the nomination?
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Firebert posted:It's adorable that millennials think that Clinton losing in the general will make the Dems swing left and not right hmm... seems like even less reason to vote for people who don't represent my interests on the best of days.
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Thump! posted:Let's just ignore the following 8 years of GOP leadership, foreverwar and the mighty fuckening of the poor. I suspect you're just talking to a wall, here. Most of the people stridently preaching ideological purity are, strangely enough, the kind of people with the least to lose under the coming of the Trumpenreich. It's easy to screech about the "long view" and accelerationism when you're swinging above a safety net of privilege. I agree with Bernie's argument, and I'm voting for him (if I get the chance) in my late primary, but I think it's pretty dumb to just throw your hands up in the air and join some internet circle jerk while some dude who represents policy positions that are a 180 from your own gets elected.
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Firebert posted:It's adorable that millennials think that Clinton losing in the general will make the Dems swing left and not right I mean, that's what happened when the Yippies heightened the contradictions, right?
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NutritiousSnack posted:Winning creates more Hillary canadaites, losing convinces them her qualties (pro wallstreet, pro prison industrial complex, pro milltary) are bad and unelectable. No it doesn't.
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Feb 20, 2016 22:58
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Phlegmish posted:Do you support him for the nomination? I'll be voting for him on March 1.
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U-DO Burger posted:Why? I don't really see any overlap in their policy positions. Trump isn't going to give Sanderistas anything that they want. Is it a spite thing? yes.
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Beforehand posted:Or that you're a voter likely to tantrum your way out of the process and they need to pick up votes from the right where people bother to vote. Me: Hilary Clinton is lovely person and canadite. Goon: So? Think of how things would be mildly worse with her in charge
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so what exactly happens if bernie were to drop out and then give a full-throated endorsement of hillary/campaign for her/etc. will all his diehard supporters just turn around and call him a liar? i mean the 2008 primary was probably way worse it was only a tiny vocal minority of hillary supporters that refused to come back to the fold after she started supporting obama not saying that's what's gonna happen but genuinely curious as to what motivates a candidate's supporters to turn their back on what the candidate pushes for
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As long as inequality continues to deepen, the populist wave will only get bigger. Even if this election comes down to Clinton/Rubio, the conditions that created the success of Trump and Sanders will only create more future candidates that will try to emulate them.
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Vox Nihili posted:The general is going to be Clinton vs. Rubio and it's going to have record low turnout. Your dog will die and your girlfriend will leave you, the end. Turnout is hopefully gonna be high on both sides because of the supreme court pick.
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Not a Step posted:Never go on reddit, hth. I hung out some friends last night who I hadn't seen in a while, and I was just trying to yank the chain of a guy who is a "liberaltarian" about whether he was voting for Trump or Sanders. I had forgotten that he was gonna take that and in it turn a half-hour long argument about minutiae, so I quickly left to hang out with people at the other side of the table while he argued with someone over whether Obama had the obligation to tell the FBI to not try to get the San Bernadino phone decrypted or whatever else they argued about
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Slow Graffiti posted:I just hope that if Hillary is the nominee they go out and vote for her in the general. Part of me is worried that a lot of the kids that are getting fired up for Bernie might become disillusioned with the process and stay home if he doesn't get the nom. The math is so favorable for democrats that Hillary would have to be a massive failure of a candidate to lose the general. It looks like Bernie isn't going to be able to pull this out which increases my chances of casting a vote for Trump significantly. I guess you gotta take the good with the bad.
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so loving future posted:become disillusioned? Good point, though I was referencing another poster's happiness at seeing a lot of college students coming out to support Bernie and getting involved in the process. Perhaps I should have said I hope they don't decide that voting isn't worth their time just because their candidate lost. I've been voting since 1994 and can't remember the last time I wasn't disillusioned by the whole system. However, I still keep voting.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Me: Hilary Clinton is lovely person and canadite. Doesn't seem like the conversation actually being had, but that's fine, I guess.
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Feb 20, 2016 23:00
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U-DO Burger posted:Why? I don't really see any overlap in their policy positions. Are you loving kidding me. Maybe try actually checking out their policy positions in the future before making yourself look like a big dumb idiot.
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Bernie is performing insanely well for the limited resources he has, but he is ultimately outgunned by Hillary, who for instance, paid Katy Perry $70,000.00 for an event. The Hollywood elite are coming out of the Hollywoodwork and endorsing her, etc. etc.
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