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jon joe posted:People say, Bernie is good, Bernie is pulling Hillary to the left, but democrats are stupid but one would hope they aren't stupid enough to pretend that 40+% of their base doesn't exist i mean they've done it before but bernie doing well should theoretically knock some sense into them theoretically
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NNick posted:The big issue is Hillary is basically saying 'leftism is dead'. Can a leftist really support such a position via a vote? Wouldn't Hilary be saying that an important name and serious recognition is more important in this particular case. Bernie, as a person separate from his stances, isn't a good candidate. An old jewish guy, from a small state doesn't have huge mass appeal. I think people have a tendency to make broad statements about the populace when comparing views of two people who are very not equal going into a race
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FRINGE posted:If Hillary wasnt a selfish powermongering rear end in a top hat she would look at the projections for the general and drop out in favor of Bernie. The projections don't mean anything at this stage and everyone knows it.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Losing because the base sits home on their hands tells them the exact opposite, as seen by the rise of the far Right. But that's not why the far right has risen. They have risen because they have the political will to (successfully and often) win primaries rightward of more establishment candidates. They aren't losing presidential elections because they've stayed home pouting; who thinks that? Edited for clarity.
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:democrats are stupid but one would hope they aren't stupid enough to pretend that 40+% of their base doesn't exist I'm sorry but your theory doesn't hold water.
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Swedgin posted:Chris Matthews is the worst. "I don't see joy from Hillary. I want to see joy." I hate Chris Matthews but I feel like he has value as the physical embodiment of what "low information voters" care about. A bunch of people debate policy differences between Clinton and Sanders. Matthews: She seems mean. He's offering free stuff. What will she give me?
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Montasque posted:FoxNews seems downright depressed over calling it this early for Clinton. Ralston seems the same.
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Still a big problem for Hillary that Bernie is coming this close, especially if the entrance polls are correct that he won the Hispanic vote. Her firewall will hold, but this reveals issues with the message her campaign is trying to sell.
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NNick posted:The big issue is Hillary is basically saying 'leftism is dead'. Can a leftist really support such a position via a vote? Sirhan Sirhan killed leftism in 1968, and McGovern put the nail in the coffin in 1972.
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The Glumslinger posted:I think people have a tendency to make broad statements about the populace when comparing views of two people who are very not equal going into a race Hilary Clinton lost a massive lead over a no name socialist from no where. Your argument isn't one in her favor.
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I pray that Clinton doesn't feel so comfortable now that she begins pivoting to the center and giving up any pretense of trying to seem progressive.
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jon joe posted:I'm sorry but your theory doesn't hold water. wait until hillary actually stuffs bernie into a cupboard before saying it's gonna happen for sure
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Feb 20, 2016 23:10
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This thread is very doom and gloom - I am curious to see Sanders' fundraising numbers after Nevada and South Carolina. It seems like his supporters are very easily demoralized (based on a Something Awful sample size) and ready to withdraw into the wilderness.
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i think that the number of democratic primary voters who won't vote for hillary in the general election is significantly smaller than the number of republican primary voters who won't vote for whoever comes out of their hellhole just like any other self-selected social group, this forum is not predictive of the future. sometimes polls are, and i think they tend to say that republican primary voters are significantly more divided than democratic primary goers
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Mitt Romney posted:Ralston seems the same. He's probably just sad because now MSNBC will stop going to him every hour.
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sharkbomb posted:This thread is very doom and gloom - I am curious to see Sanders' fundraising numbers after Nevada and South Carolina. It seems like his supports are very easily demoralized (based on a Something Awful sample size) and ready to withdraw into the wilderness. Actually we're all ready to give more money to Bernie
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https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/701164559923617794 I think the entrance polls were garbage.
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UV_Catastrophe posted:I pray that Clinton doesn't feel so comfortable now that she begins pivoting to the center and giving up any pretense of trying to seem progressive. i hope she does, it'll make a bernie win all the more likely
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NutritiousSnack posted:Hilary Clinton lost a massive lead over a no name socialist from no where. Your argument isn't one in her favor. No, thats kind of my point. Hilary winning becuase she has significant advantages going in, doesn't mean that leftism is dead. It means that it is a powerful motivator, but could easily succeed with the right person attached to it
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Slow Graffiti posted:Sirhan Sirhan killed leftism in 1968, and McGovern put the nail in the coffin in 1972. You're an idiot.
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According to /pol/, the casino bosses (jews) rigged this for hillary. Thoughts?
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NutritiousSnack posted:Losing because the base sits home on their hands tells them the exact opposite, as seen by the rise of the far Right. No one is going to look at Republicans controlling all three branches and attribute their loss to not being far enough to the left.
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STAC Goat posted:He's probably just sad because now MSNBC will stop going to him every hour. yeah, he's spent the last month beating the "Clinton Nevada camp is terrified" drum and I think he was really hoping for a Bernie win to make him look like he called the shift away from her early
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Nanomashoes posted:According to /pol/, the casino bosses (jews) rigged this for hillary. Thoughts? 4chan is worse than reddit
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Joementum posted:Still a big problem for Hillary that Bernie is coming this close, especially if the entrance polls are correct that he won the Hispanic vote. That's not necessarily the case for a general election. Remember that so far she has been tailoring her messages as part of the democratic primary toward the center.
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Jewel Repetition posted:The projections don't mean anything at this stage and everyone except BernieBros know it. fifty
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Feb 20, 2016 23:13
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jon joe posted:4chan is worse than reddit So is MSNBC because they were just saying the same thing on air, and talking about how the caucus makes people less likely to vote out of line
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The Saurus posted:I'm the guy who gets all his news from the neoliberal MSM so think that bernie and donald are polar opposites with no crossover whatsoever. No, you're the guy who's a massive racist shithead who thinks all muslims are rapists.
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Nanomashoes posted:According to /pol/, the casino bosses (jews) rigged this for hillary. Thoughts? trump supporters hating on casino moguls makes perfect sense
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the narrative will be "the fact bernie is so close means that he is winning" until SC. agreed, it's  that progressive / liberal voters are finally showing up and finally doing something. it's just that in tyool 2016, there aren't enough of them to get bernie into office. if enough of them maintain their political stances into adulthood (remember many of these liberal / progressive voters are basically kids, who can change their mind more freely than your average old person) then we can see real changes at some point.people will look back at 2016 and state that this is when the change started happening, but not as the year that progressivism suddenly triumphed over everything and everyone
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sharkbomb posted:This thread is very doom and gloom - I am curious to see Sanders' fundraising numbers after Nevada and South Carolina. It seems like his supporters are very easily demoralized (based on a Something Awful sample size) and ready to withdraw into the wilderness. I'm definitely easily demoralized but I can't donate and am voting for him no matter what so it doesn't make a difference.
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sharkbomb posted:This thread is very doom and gloom - I am curious to see Sanders' fundraising numbers after Nevada and South Carolina. It seems like his supporters are very easily demoralized (based on a Something Awful sample size) and ready to withdraw into the wilderness. No doom and gloom here to those who read the numbers. Hillary has been strongly ahead of Bernie nationally, this hasn't changed. Bernie has momentum but not enough. He doesn't have enough of the minority vote or older folks.
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VanillaGorilla posted:I suspect you're just talking to a wall, here. Most of the people stridently preaching ideological purity are, strangely enough, the kind of people with the least to lose under the coming of the Trumpenreich. It's easy to screech about the "long view" and accelerationism when you're swinging above a safety net of privilege. President Hillary Clinton is far more heinous, and a far more disturbing statement about the state of democracy in America, than President Trump.
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The Glumslinger posted:No, thats kind of my point. Hilary winning becuase she has significant advantages going in, doesn't mean that leftism is dead. It means that it is a powerful motivator, but could easily succeed with the right person attached to it It's pretty clear we'd be having a different conversation today if it was Warren instead of Bernie, much as I'm glad Warren seems to be happier to work in the Senate.
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Concerned Citizen posted:https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/701164559923617794 entrance polls are hot garbage because the whole point of a caucus is that people will actively try to change your mind
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The Glumslinger posted:So is MSNBC because they were just saying the same thing on air, and talking about how the caucus makes people less likely to vote out of line You misunderstand, my opinion had nothing to do with the content.
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Nanomashoes posted:According to /pol/, the casino bosses (jews) rigged this for hillary. Thoughts? Wouldn't the Jews rig things for the Jew?
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Concerned Citizen posted:https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/701164559923617794 Yup. If I recall it was just one set of entrance polls that had the latino vote like that too.
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