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MaliciousOnion posted:Research has shown that seatbelts don't make buses that much safer. Between the higher position of seats, reduced amount of travel space between one seat and the next, and a heavier mass, the chance of injury is a lot lower. That's very interesting, thanks! What is the argument against installing buses with seatbelts other than "buses don't currently have seatbelts"? A lower injury risk is still a risk that could be lowered further with seatbelts. I'm slightly biased because I've seen someone break an arm on a bus that they wouldn't have broken had they been wearing a seatbelt. My sister has also been in a bus crash where the majority of injuries were due to them not having seatbelts.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Día de Muertos You know, I always thought it was the same day. I'm not up on my Mexican holidays.
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Is this a stunt to make people pay attention to netball or something? I'm finding it hard to believe that, as she started painting her face brown, that she didn't think "maybe I shouldn't be doing this".
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Laserface posted:Most people have the capability to punch someone in the back of the head after drinking a skin full but they dont, but we're all being told to go home early because of that. Listening to doctors and nurses who work friday and saturday nights in major hospitals leads me to think that the lockout laws are a good idea that have been twisted by opportunists to funnel people into the casino. If angry drunk bogans only killed and maimed one another it'd be fine but respectable people cop it as well. Same deal with speeding drivers/hoons. It's not the nanny state stepping in to protect people from themselves, it's protecting people from fuckwits.
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MonoAus posted:Is this a stunt to make people pay attention to netball or something? Let me introduce you to tennis in Australia last month.  There are shitloads of people who froth at the loving mouth at the mere thought of being able to dress up in blackface.
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Laserface posted:Most people have the ability to go faster than the posted speed limit but hey guess what, the vast majority of motorists dont and even of the portion that do, an even smaller portion result in injuries or death. Motor vehicle deaths and injuries are astonishingly high, actually. We just accept it as a 'road toll' and call crashes 'accidents' (oopsies!). People can barely not crash doing the speed limit* let alone have the ability to safely pilot a car at greater speeds. * also an abused word. people think it means "acceptable minimum" I think we can achieve better outcomes with design instead of speed governors, but until we redo nearly all of our urban landscape perhaps it's a good solution. Laserface posted:We are a nation of whingers. we dont want other people doing/having/getting anything we dont do/have/get. If they do, we want them punished. I agree. I don't think people not wanting tons of metal speeding around falls into that, though. It's more they don't want tons of metal hitting them at high speeds and are actually not jealous of your driving skills or whatever.
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Laserface posted:Most people have the capability to punch someone in the back of the head after drinking a skin full but they dont, but we're all being told to go home early because of that. Like I said, conflating distinct issues. If you don't go faster than the speed limit, why do you need the ability? If the downsides to such a scheme, like government tracking or secondary safety issues, outweigh the benefits, then it's impractical and shouldn't be done for that reason, not some incoherent rant about authoritarianism or mah freedums. As for the lockout laws, I agree - they're a stupid and wrong response to a real problem. Other countries have much freer access to cheaper alcohol and don't have the problems we have. Lockout laws won't solve the cultural problem, whatever it is, and the stats about the lockout's effectiveness seems to be fudged to hell. It should never have been done. Similarly for the prohibitionist stance on drugs that police are taking, it's insane, does more harm than good, and has undone a huge amount of good policy and social work. When a pharmacist ODs on street drugs they know a lot about when they see a sniffer dog, it's not because they are stupid, it's because they're terrified, and that makes people act stupid. When assertions like this: quote:We are a nation of whingers. we dont want other people doing/having/getting anything we dont do/have/get. If they do, we want them punished.
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hooman posted:That's very interesting, thanks! What is the argument against installing buses with seatbelts other than "buses don't currently have seatbelts"? It's probably something to do with load/unload speed at stops
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And earlier this month Guys, do you think Australia might have a race problem?
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gay picnic defence posted:Listening to doctors and nurses who work friday and saturday nights in major hospitals leads me to think that the lockout laws are a good idea that have been twisted by opportunists to funnel people into the casino. If angry drunk bogans only killed and maimed one another it'd be fine but respectable people cop it as well. Same deal with speeding drivers/hoons. It's not the nanny state stepping in to protect people from themselves, it's protecting people from fuckwits. TBH I dont truly believe that lockout laws were to get people into the casino, but making that specific area exempt from the laws is a pretty bad joke. Casinos dont need to operate 24/7 to be profitable Im sure. But, like most laws, they are knee jerk poo poo that isnt fully researched to appease a noisy few. There is other more serious poo poo we should be devoting time and resources to fixing (domestic violence, homelessness, mental health) but they dont have lobbyists with deep pockets.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:And earlier this month Unfortunately culturally insensitive costumes are the least of our problems.
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xPanda posted:
Australia's culture of violence isn't going away anytime soon, best we can hope for is to manage it with things like lockouts. Maybe they could be a bit more nuanced to allow low risk venues like wine bars or microbreweries stay open but close the big nightclubs nice and early or force them to only serve light beer. Prohibition seems a bit different because there is shitloads of research showing it doesn't work, I'm not sure the same can be said for lockouts (although I could be wrong here) .
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gay picnic defence posted:If angry drunk bogans only killed and maimed one another it'd be fine but respectable people cop it as well. Jesus Christ. Yeah who cares if bogans get their faces smashed in, they're just bogans after all.
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Traffic lights are loving authoritarian lefty bullshit pushed through by the recreationally outraged who hate the idea that someone else may actually be able to decide when it is safe to go through an intersection without some triclopean mother figure to wave them through reassuringly.
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Not to mention socialist.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Traffic lights are loving authoritarian lefty bullshit pushed through by the recreationally outraged who hate the idea that someone else may actually be able to decide when it is safe to go through an intersection without some triclopean mother figure to wave them through reassuringly. Replace traffic lights with roundabouts and you've got a speech given by old mate Phelps in NSW parliament a few years back.
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xPanda posted:Replace traffic lights with roundabouts and you've got a speech given by old mate Phelps in NSW parliament a few years back. Nah, Phelps wanted more roundabouts. Traffic lights are a Bolshevik menace however.
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Abolish roads. I shouldn't have to drive behind everyone else just because some people don't know how to control their car properly under real conditions.
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I actually read something by a libertarian who argued against traffic lights and speed limits on the grounds that people of certain judgement should be able to break certain laws because they can do so safely.
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I know many who disobey speed limits and simply never get caught. GPS apps that warn you if camera incoming and known police ambush locations make speed limits harder and harder to enforce.
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Just lol at "Australia's culture of violence". Someone getting punched in a party district every other month, is not evidence of some bloodthirsty culture. All it is is evidence of the media's ability to beat up a non-story and governments willingness to exploit it to "protect us" while at the same time taking "donations" from media organisations who just so happen to own the casinos which are excluded from the lockouts. And all this is swallowed whole by the self loathing posters here because as they like to believe Australia is the worst and must be punished for any real or imagined slight.
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thatfatkid posted:Just lol at "Australia's culture of violence". Someone getting punched in a party district every other month, is not evidence of some bloodthirsty culture. All it is is evidence of the media's ability to beat up a non-story and governments willingness to exploit it to "protect us" while at the same time taking "donations" from media organisations who just so happen to own the casinos which are excluded from the lockouts. You just need to look at the medical statistics for Friday and Saturday nights to see that there is a problem. Why should we fork out money to patch the stupid fuckers up just so they can go and get munted again next weekend?
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gay picnic defence posted:You just need to look at the medical statistics for Friday and Saturday nights to see that there is a problem. Why should we fork out money to patch the stupid fuckers up just so they can go and get munted again next weekend? poo poo happens. No matter what there will always be violence. Nice to see the "MUH TAX DOLLARS" excuse enter the fray though.
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The unholy dyad of health economics and sanctimonious moralism.
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gay picnic defence posted:You just need to look at the medical statistics for Friday and Saturday nights to see that there is a problem. Why should we fork out money to patch the stupid fuckers up just so they can go and get munted again next weekend? Australia does have a culture of violence, but gently caress you if you think people aren't entitled to emergency care.
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Zenithe posted:I actually read something by a libertarian who argued against traffic lights and speed limits on the grounds that people of certain judgement should be able to break certain laws because they can do so safely. There is a town in Germany where a whole bunch of street signs (not road names, just give way/stop/suggested corner speeds, speed limits etc) where removed and overall people travelled slower and there was less accidents in the area during the trial. The argument was that too much information and segregated transport (pedeestrians/bikes/cars) was making people complacent and the uncertainty and additional risk make people more careful. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/2185762/German-town-bans-road-signs-to-cut-accidents.html Im trying to find a follow up article but it seems like a pretty sound idea for regional/suburban areas. No signs, a low speed limit, and very few, simple rules.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Traffic lights are loving authoritarian lefty bullshit pushed through by the recreationally outraged who hate the idea that someone else may actually be able to decide when it is safe to go through an intersection without some triclopean mother figure to wave them through reassuringly. quote:Just because it's true that not every problem is a nail... it's also true that some problems are nails. Your mission, should you choose to accept, is to explain to me why it wouldn't be a good idea to clarify the demand for green lights. Eventually I'll figure out why it's important to clarify the demand for some things... but it's not important to clarify the demand for other things.
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Laserface posted:There is a town in Germany where a whole bunch of street signs (not road names, just give way/stop/suggested corner speeds, speed limits etc) where removed and overall people travelled slower and there was less accidents in the area during the trial. The argument was that too much information and segregated transport (pedeestrians/bikes/cars) was making people complacent and the uncertainty and additional risk make people more careful. The follow up was people got used to it all and accidents and speed increased back to where they were before the changes.
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Gorfob posted:Has this been posted yet. Seems about right.
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The result of that system would be absolutely hilarious and we should implement it immediately.
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Endman posted:Australia does have a culture of violence, but gently caress you if you think people aren't entitled to emergency care. I do think they should be given care, we should just take steps to ensure it isn't needed for unnecessary poo poo like getting hurt while drunk.
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thatfatkid posted:Seems about right. I read one of the letters from them it had complaints about being subjected to "shouting and forced laughter" and that people who work nearby do such anti social things as "loudly break cardboard boxes and slam the lids of bins after 11:00pm"
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Zenithe posted:any studies been done regarding violence before/after lockout laws? Doubly so those that take into account changes in Newtown
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