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Serious Frolicking posted:Uh, it is clearly stated? She can create snow which can spread other powers. The human awakening was spread via snow. Did you not read the latest chapter? I guess I gotta reread it. I've been reading things in a rush lately, and my backlog grows daily.
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tsob posted:Yea, it was. I was re-reading that section earlier and noticed that specifically, but no-one else was getting sick that we saw or anything to indicate it was her powers at work. Then again, it could be that because she was so young her snow wasn't doing anything except to Cless on that night, since she was paying special attention to him or something like that. It was snowing, but her snow doesn't do anything on its own. It can spread another power out and cannot be blocked. If it has other effects Sharuami either does not know or was lying to Asuta. That was probably just normal snow, because it was winter and Cless became ill due to the cold and malnutrition. Even if she was putting out snow at that time it wouldn't have had any effect on anyone.
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Serious Frolicking posted:It was snowing, but her snow doesn't do anything on its own. It can spread another power out and cannot be blocked. If it has other effects Sharuami either does not know or was lying to Asuta. That was probably just normal snow, because it was winter and Cless became ill due to the cold and malnutrition. Even if she was putting out snow at that time it wouldn't have had any effect on anyone. i kinda doubt it, it's weird cless' heroism manifested after falling under the care of a guy who later turned out to be a major villian who can force "heroism" on humans at large. tbh it seems like cless' heroism might be artificial (hence why he's so weak compared to helck)
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Feb 23, 2016 12:17
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They specifically need Cless to awaken people. They awakened Cless in order to use him to awaken people, even though they already have someone who can spread powers? You might as well say that Mikaros is trying to use an army of awakened humans to open a portal to another world in order to obtain an army of awakened humans. poo poo's dumb.
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Where is it implied or stated that they forcibly awakened Cless out of interest? The flashback chapter that has him become a hero just says that he awakened sometime between ages 5 and 16 and says nothing about it being unusual or due to outside interference. Was it implied in a different chapter that they caused it to happen?
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tsob posted:Where is it implied or stated that they forcibly awakened Cless out of interest? The flashback chapter that has him become a hero just says that he awakened sometime between ages 5 and 16 and says nothing about it being unusual or due to outside interference. Was it implied in a different chapter that they caused it to happen? It was not implied or stated. This is just a couple people misunderstanding a very simple narrative. Rafaed and Mikaros took an interest in Cless because they randomly found a kid who was going to awaken and they needed a hero. They did not take an interest in a random kid and make him awaken when any other kid would have sufficed.
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Feb 23, 2016 14:32
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Rafaed and Mikaros didn't take an interest in a kid at all though, Sharuami did. She just wanted to help a kid because she's a good person and her father indulged her because he's still her dad regardless of what else he may be doing. Rafaed had some conversations with Cless after that point that inspired Cless to train and become a soldier and that's about it. They only took a real interest in him when he exhibited unusual strength as a soldier as far as I can see.
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tsob posted:Rafaed and Mikaros didn't take an interest in a kid at all though, Sharuami did. She just wanted to help a kid because she's a good person and her father indulged her because he's still her dad regardless of what else he may be doing. Rafaed had some conversations with Cless after that point that inspired Cless to train and become a soldier and that's about it. They only took a real interest in him when he exhibited unusual strength as a soldier as far as I can see. Mikaros was the person they got to heal Cless. When Mikaros did so, he discovered that Cless was a latent hero. Rafaed was just humoring Sharuami, and Mikaros in turn humored Rafaed. Or maybe it was an order, I dunno. Their relationship isn't very clear.
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Serious Frolicking posted:They specifically need Cless to awaken people. They awakened Cless in order to use him to awaken people, even though they already have someone who can spread powers? You might as well say that Mikaros is trying to use an army of awakened humans to open a portal to another world in order to obtain an army of awakened humans. poo poo's dumb. it may be that they did not have the ability to mass awaken people at first and cless was the first test subject or a catalyst towards that end. otherwise it's kinda odd they waited so long to do the mass awakening considering mikaros existed for millennia before executing this plan
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Feb 23, 2016 15:11
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I'm reading helck, kill all humans and such
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Condiv posted:it may be that they did not have the ability to mass awaken people at first and cless was the first test subject or a catalyst towards that end. otherwise it's kinda odd they waited so long to do the mass awakening considering mikaros existed for millennia before executing this plan Or they didnt have the king on their side. Since Azudora theorized that this was a form of contract magic its more probable that they didnt have someone as strong as the king to hold and create that contract (reminder here that contract magic takes life force). My theory? The King is one of the first ever heroes.
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hello. the author of helck has another series. she discontinued it after she started helck, but still it got updated today and could be a fun read dunno http://bato.to/comic/_/comics/acaria-r17317
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Sharkopath posted:
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They needed Cless specifically, because, either Raf or Mikaros, said he had a "Once in a 1000 years ability." Heroes are rare, but not that rare. Also during the fight to rescue Cless, Raf told Helk if he didn't see that ability he would have just left him to die in the snow. It's not just being a hero, it's a special ability unique to him, so even Helck wouldn't work. So the order of events goes: Sharuami seeks help because she is good person > Raf (who normally wouldn't give a poo poo) notices latent "power" in Cless and takes him to his buddy Mikaros for healing > Raf then grooms Cless into a life of soldiering so he can develop as a hero and grow whatever power he needs for evil plans.
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HELCK 63.2
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I guess the king really might be an individual unto himself? Or at least he has enough independence to perform actions that would piss Raf off.
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Rodyle posted:I guess the king really might be an individual unto himself? Or at least he has enough independence to perform actions that would piss Raf off. Seems that way. I'm really interested in Rafaed and want to know what his deal is. I'm thinking he bought into the plan Mikaros and maybe the king proposed out of fear of the demons and new world organisms without realizing the consequences (maybe none of them did, or the other two just hid it) and now he's in the position of having to protect a plan he didn't intend because the alternative is worse. He doesn't seem the type to act aggressively, and I don't think he'll have Asuta killed. At least I hope not. Might try to find an opportunity to let her go to seek help to reverse the mistake.
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chumbler posted:Seems that way. I'm really interested in Rafaed and want to know what his deal is. I'm thinking he bought into the plan Mikaros and maybe the king proposed out of fear of the demons and new world organisms without realizing the consequences (maybe none of them did, or the other two just hid it) and now he's in the position of having to protect a plan he didn't intend because the alternative is worse. He doesn't seem the type to act aggressively, and I don't think he'll have Asuta killed. At least I hope not. Might try to find an opportunity to let her go to seek help to reverse the mistake. I have a lot of trouble seeing him as some dupe of Mikaros, if anything the fact that we've learned Mikaros' origin first makes me all the more certain that he's the junior partner between the two of them (I have no idea where the king fits)
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Seriously, gently caress those two guys for destroying the human race and trying to destroy the Demon race with it. I hope Helck can save the world from their evil.
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I didn't really think that the king was a person. He survived a sword to the head, and it didn't seem like it bothered him at all. But why would Rafaed put on a show of talking to the king in front of someone he is going to kill and his unconscious daughter? Even if Rafaed lets Asuta escape you would think that keeping his daughter's ability secret would be way more important than maintaining a lie no one questioned to begin with. In other words, the king is totally a real person unless there is some crazy 3d chess stuff going on way over my head. So, on top of Rafaed whose abilities and motivations are completely unknown, we now also have the king whose motivations are unknown.
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The king could be a puppet of... the other guy, forgot his name, and Raf is talking to him through the puppet.
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I think the King is a monster from some forgotten land. We've seen regenerating creatures, and if it was a human there'd be no reason to hide its face. The only other person who can do contract magic is a demon, so it could even be one of the dead demon kings.
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You guys seem to know more about the King than the story has shown so far. We thought the King wasn't a character in and of themselves, but other than that we still have no clue who or what he is or why do this now for that matter?
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Voted Worst Mom posted:You guys seem to know more about the King than the story has shown so far. We thought the King wasn't a character in and of themselves, but other than that we still have no clue who or what he is or why do this now for that matter? These aren't future spoilers because there are no untranslated chapters. We know that the king hasn't done anything but talk, use mind control, and survive a sword to the head. Anything else is speculation.
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Is it weird that I'm slowly starting to root for the evil humans, here? I mean, they basically spent the entire story so far getting owned by demons and being dreadfully underleveled  Even their most powerful dudes get slapped around by the demon's elite... I kind of want them to have some sort of victory and start overtaking the demons, given how much grinding they've done. They had this much buildup, time to show them as a true threat.I believe in you, evil self-genocidal humans! You can do it!
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Torquemadras posted:Is it weird that I'm slowly starting to root for the evil humans, here? Tarezax posted:I want Hyura and Edil to get married.
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Torquemadras posted:Is it weird that I'm slowly starting to root for the evil humans, here? Counterpoint: demons are cool dudes and humans are terrible.
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The humans are screwed no matter what. The human race as we know it in this setting is extinct. All that's left are zealotrous angels on a permanent power trip. And if they lose their king, they'll most likely end up like the other awakened beasts.
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Annointed posted:The humans are screwed no matter what. The human race as we know it in this setting is extinct. All that's left are zealotrous angels on a permanent power trip. And if they lose their king, they'll most likely end up like the other awakened beasts. I feel like there's a chance the sentient Awakened may break free and survive, but the majority are doomed no matter what.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Counterpoint: demons are cool dudes and humans are terrible. Sure, but they're just so outclassed I can't help but root for the underdog, here You can do it, evil humans! Become the world-threatening force I know you can be! And then be defeated and become best friends with the demons Fin
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Torquemadras posted:Is it weird that I'm slowly starting to root for the evil humans, here? Ehhh not really. They were at total war with pretty much the only people keeping them safe (not intentionally).
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Torquemadras posted:Sure, but they're just so outclassed I can't help but root for the underdog, here No, the demons are. On the one hand they have retarded and close-minded humans [Who may not have a general level of power that is the same as them, but who produce heroes every so often. One hero is enough to shake the entire demon empire], and on the other they have freakish monsters and other tomfoolery to defend from. Now the humans have become another form of mindless ravening monster, and they are boxed in.
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Boogaleeboo posted:No, the demons are. On the one hand they have retarded and close-minded humans [Who may not have a general level of power that is the same as them, but who produce heroes every so often. One hero is enough to shake the entire demon empire], and on the other they have freakish monsters and other tomfoolery to defend from. Now the humans have become another form of mindless ravening monster, and they are boxed in. Dunno about that - the evil humans have mostly done a lot of losing so far, with their only real win offscreen... Just a lot of teleporting away enemies they can't handle otherwise. They keep talking about the huge SSS threat that they will eventually pose, only they're clearly not there yet. Edil seems to be getting there, I guess, in that he actually wins against demons. I get what the story is going for, it's just that the evil humans don't feel like much of a threat to the demons at this point. Hence, my hope that this will gradually change as we learn more about the true extent of the leader's powers (Mikaros is doing that right now, which is great), and as the power balance in general starts shifting. Of course, I'm only talking about the new evil human army, not what the humans originally were. Helck (and other true heroes) are obviously on another scale entirely.
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You're loving wierd.
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Torquemadras posted:Dunno about that - the evil humans have mostly done a lot of losing so far, with their only real win offscreen... Just a lot of teleporting away enemies they can't handle otherwise. They keep talking about the huge SSS threat that they will eventually pose, only they're clearly not there yet. Edil seems to be getting there, I guess, in that he actually wins against demons. I get what the story is going for, it's just that the evil humans don't feel like much of a threat to the demons at this point. Hence, my hope that this will gradually change as we learn more about the true extent of the leader's powers (Mikaros is doing that right now, which is great), and as the power balance in general starts shifting. Yeah, the non-threat that effectively "killed" all of the protagonist's old friends, brother, and love interest, almost managed to open a portal to hell (or whatever the heck is that they want to do), and just captured Asuta. In the next chapter they are going to be punched into the stratosphere just like team rocket.
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trucutru posted:Yeah, the non-threat that effectively "killed" all of the protagonist's old friends, brother, and love interest, almost managed to open a portal to hell (or whatever the heck is that they want to do), and just captured Asuta. In the next chapter they are going to be punched into the stratosphere just like team rocket. Well, I wrote threat to the demons... They're clearly extremely effective against humans, given their almost complete genocide of them  Eh, okay, that was kinda dumb of me. I just feel like the villains need a real win at this point. But you're right, they did get Asuta in the most recent chapter, and everything looks like evil wizard dude is gonna accomplish something pretty soon. Please forgive me thread
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