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Kit Walker posted:Agreed. Cars are terrible
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Jarmak posted:What is this low effort bullshit, we've had a solid page of people circle-jerking about how stupid gun-owners are but one gun owner comes in and argues differently and the only response is "GTFO"? one gun owner came in to argue that gun owners protect our freedoms, in the thread mocking a bunch of militia idiots who tried to start the second american revolution and the most significant difference they made in the world was a giant poo poo trench like, really, that's the time and place you choose to make that argument, and you expect anything but open mockery
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Jarmak posted:What is this low effort bullshit, we've had a solid page of people circle-jerking about how stupid gun-owners are but one gun owner comes in and argues differently and the only response is "GTFO"? TFR's down a few tabs if you're so offended that people don't give a gently caress about the same refrain of "waaargh Cars!" in gunchat. I like guns, but sweet Christ is that a tired argument.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:City privilege. Bikes are pretty rad. You should try one sometime
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Jarmak posted:What is this low effort bullshit, we've had a solid page of people circle-jerking about how stupid gun-owners are but one gun owner comes in and argues differently and the only response is "GTFO"? Just FYI the bad old days are actually 2 or 3 posters quoting and responding to entire novel length posts sentence by sentence and arguing tiny semantic bullshit no one outside the autism spectrum would ever care about. Gun chat is eternal.
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evilweasel posted:one gun owner came in to argue that gun owners protect our freedoms, in the thread mocking a bunch of militia idiots who tried to start the second american revolution and the most significant difference they made in the world was a giant poo poo trench
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Kit Walker posted:Bikes are pretty rad. You should try one sometime They're not very fun for people with scoliosis or other issues with the tailbone.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:And Black Lives Matter supporters beat up a vet in a McDonald's parking lot. Just because some morons with guns did something moronic doesn't mean the 2nd amendment isn't important. Your type of logic would be at home on the Rush Limbaugh show. And? Are you saying that he should have had a gun to murder angry, unarmed men? I don't see anywhere that it says they killed him. Perhaps it's rather good that he didn't have a gun on him. In fact, what caused such an attack in the first place? Protestors don't randomly attack passerby.
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Talmonis posted:They're not very fun for people with scoliosis or other issues with the tailbone. Recumbent bikes? Mopeds? If you can't ride either of those then you're gonna have a pretty hard time riding a car. So what's the gun equivalent of scoliosis/tailbone issues? Kit Walker fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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NathanScottPhillips posted:And Black Lives Matter supporters beat up a vet in a McDonald's parking lot. Just because some morons with guns did something moronic doesn't mean the 2nd amendment isn't important. Your type of logic would be at home on the Rush Limbaugh show. nobody needs you playing dressup hero for their security, you are less of a contribution to ARE FREEDOMS than an obese security guard who had a heart attack in his chair eight hours ago but still looks like he might just be resting his eyes a little
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NathanScottPhillips posted:And Black Lives Matter supporters beat up a vet in a McDonald's parking lot. Just because some morons with guns did something moronic doesn't mean the 2nd amendment isn't important. Your type of logic would be at home on the Rush Limbaugh show. Yeah but the 2nd isn't important, with or without idiots. It's an amendment legislating a hobby. That's all it is.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:And Black Lives Matter supporters beat up a vet in a McDonald's parking lot. Just because some morons with guns did something moronic doesn't mean the 2nd amendment isn't important. Your type of logic would be at home on the Rush Limbaugh show. Some morons with guns didn't do something, thousands of Americans are killed each year by preventable gun deaths and we're treating it as an acceptable trade off for freedom instead of a public health crisis that needs to be curtailed IMMEDIATELY.
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evilweasel posted:nobody needs you playing dressup hero for their security, you are less of a contribution to ARE FREEDOMS than an obese security guard who had a heart attack in his chair eight hours ago but still looks like he might just be resting his eyes a little holy poo poo dude
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SocketWrench posted:I suggested there should be something like this along the lines of driver's ed. Man, you shoulda seen the shitstorm about "teaching kids to worship guns". The question that always comes up is "Who pays for it?" There probably wouldn't be too much of a backlash if it was free and paid for by taxes, but forcing potential owners to pay for classes would place a monetary gate on ownership that would result in legal gun owners skewing heavily toward the wealthier end of society (and likely white end of society, considering the existing socioeconomic differences between whites and blacks and Hispanics) and increasing inequality. Same for things like raising taxes on ammo or guns to inflate the prices.
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Kit Walker posted:Recumbent bikes? Mopeds? If you can't ride either of those then you're gonna have a pretty hard time riding a car Nah, it's really just the type of pressure to the coccyx. It's a pretty common issue that most people can deal with by changing handlebar height and such. Scoliosis and other deformities of the spine make that difficult to fix.
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Talmonis posted:Nah, it's really just the type of pressure to the coccyx. It's a pretty common issue that most people can deal with by changing handlebar height and such. Scolisis and other deformities of the spine make that difficult to fix. I'm not saying we should get rid of ALL cars, just I don't see why we need so many. We'd reduce the number of vehicular deaths pretty significantly if more people used alternative modes of transport
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chitoryu12 posted:The question that always comes up is "Who pays for it?" There probably wouldn't be too much of a backlash if it was free and paid for by taxes, but forcing potential owners to pay for classes would place a monetary gate on ownership that would result in legal gun owners skewing heavily toward the wealthier end of society (and likely white end of society, considering the existing socioeconomic differences between whites and blacks and Hispanics) and increasing inequality. Same for things like raising taxes on ammo or guns to inflate the prices. Gun ownership was a privilege of the wealthy when the founding fathers wrote the constitution. Interchangeable parts and mass production were still a hundred years out. There is no constitutionally protected right to be able to afford arms.
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evilweasel posted:nobody needs you playing dressup hero for their security, you are less of a contribution to ARE FREEDOMS than an obese security guard who had a heart attack in his chair eight hours ago but still looks like he might just be resting his eyes a little botany posted:Yeah but the 2nd isn't important, with or without idiots. It's an amendment legislating a hobby. That's all it is. Al! posted:Some morons with guns didn't do something, thousands of Americans are killed each year by preventable gun deaths and we're treating it as an acceptable trade off for freedom instead of a public health crisis that needs to be curtailed IMMEDIATELY.
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Kit Walker posted:I'm not saying we should get rid of ALL cars, just I don't see why we need so many. We'd reduce the number of vehicular deaths pretty significantly if more people used alternative modes of transport Agreed. I'd much prefer fast and abundant mass transit to be the primary transportation in the U.S. Not going to hold my breath though.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Like 10x more Americans die of heart disease or cigarette use so I think it's acceptable that we allow freedom even if it costs lives. Those aren't caused by someone else doing something to me.
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Talmonis posted:And? Are you saying that he should have had a gun to murder angry, unarmed men? I don't see anywhere that it says they killed him. Perhaps it's rather good that he didn't have a gun on him. In fact, what caused such an attack in the first place? Protestors don't randomly attack passerby.
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Look I think guns are cool and all, and of course respect the right of the average gun owner to be shot by their toddler or their dog, but even I can instantly understand that these are just not very good arguments being thrown out here.
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Kit Walker posted:Those aren't caused by someone else doing something to me.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Remember in the (closed) gun thread when I said you were too immature to talk about the subject without using cartoonish language and insults? Citizens privately carrying firearms has guaranteed the security of our state exactly zero times in the last two hundred plus years, your argument is stupid and you are stupid.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Like 10x more Americans die of heart disease or cigarette use so I think it's acceptable that we allow freedom even if it costs lives. Dylan Roof, Adam Lanza and Jared Loughner's freedom to have a gun was more important than the lives they took?
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NathanScottPhillips posted:But we already established that gun owners are more likely to kill themselves than someone else? That doesn't somehow discount gun homicides
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gunchat's ability to always pop up is legitimately amazing
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This is a funny thread to post about how instrumental civilian firearms will be in the coming revolution
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Epic High Five posted:This is a funny thread to post about how instrumental civilian firearms will be in the coming revolution Agreed. The irony is the only thing that makes it tolerable. Edit, well maybe not tolerable
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theflyingorc posted:gunchat's ability to always pop up is legitimately amazing
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Remember in the (closed) gun thread when I said you were too immature to talk about the subject without using cartoonish language and insults? And why do you think the gun thread was closed? Personally I'm not really fond of the fact that gunchat keeps popping up in totally unrelated threads, largely due to people who insist that guns are the only important political issue in America today, or get super offended and make a big scene out of it every single time someone says that guns are dumb in any thread anywhere in D&D
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Not these assholes again: tfr posters, gun nuts seize federal building occupation thread
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NathanScottPhillips posted:And since the US constitution is the longest lasting constitution in the world, maybe there is some merit to it.
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botany posted:The US is behind most developed nations in literacy, infant mortality and economic equality, while it is leading in religiosity, homicides, incarcerated citizens per capita, and defense spending. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the longevity of the US constitution (even disregarding how many times it has been amended) is due to anything other than stubbornness. It's more of "we became a country about the time that nations started having modern-styled constitutions, and we were the first one to do it".
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Stultus Maximus posted:Citizens privately carrying firearms has guaranteed the security of our state exactly zero times in the last two hundred plus years, your argument is stupid and you are stupid. Talmonis posted:Dylan Roof, Adam Lanza and Jared Loughner's freedom to have a gun was more important than the lives they took? Main Paineframe posted:And why do you think the gun thread was closed? Personally I'm not really fond of the fact that gunchat keeps popping up in totally unrelated threads, largely due to people who insist that guns are the only important political issue in America today, or get super offended and make a big scene out of it every single time someone says that guns are dumb in any thread anywhere in D&D botany posted:The US is behind most developed nations in literacy, infant mortality and economic equality, while it is leading in religiosity, homicides, incarcerated citizens per capita, and defense spending. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the longevity of the US constitution (even disregarding how many times it has been amended) is due to anything other than stubbornness.
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The U.S. constitution was written a very long time ago and unless any of the founders lived backwards in time, was written to address existing problems rather than solve future ones. Not everything on there has ended up being of equal importance. Like, nobody has ever clamored to grant any titles of nobility (at least not until Trump gets elected) and there's not a whole lot of 3rd Amendment jurisprudence out there either. Maybe letting everybody have a gun isn't actually a benefit to society, nobody's perfect.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:And since the US constitution is the longest lasting constitution in the world, maybe there is some merit to it. It's also a document the writers felt should be rewritten every few decades to keep it relevant as society changed, why they even put in a way to [i]amend[i/] it so it could be easily updated as the U.S. changed! If they saw how morons worshipped it 200 years later they'd make sure to put an expiration date on the drat thing. Toasticle fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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If you count amendments as part of the constitution itself (and this is clearly the case), then it's actually only been the primary document of governance since 1992 If you don't count the amendments, then it's the worst constitution among any first world nation by an enormous margin
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Toasticle posted:It's also a document,ent the writers felt should be rewritten every few decades to keep it relevant as society changed, why they even put in a way to [i]amend[/] it so it could be easily updated as the U.S. changed!
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Yes, I agree. That's why we have a standing army and also why background checks, thousands of laws, and special licenses and registrations exist for gun owners. The point you missed is framers like Jefferson thought the whole thing should be re-ratified every 19 years, not clinged to for two centuries.
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