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Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib
Hot off the electronic press:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/702268900562448384

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Zohar
Jul 14, 2013

Good kitty

Jewel Repetition posted:

To play devil's advocate, taking Texas could be bad for him since it would mean Cruz drops out sooner and Rubio gets that sweet consolidation.

more of cruz's voters will go to trump than to rubio

But Rocks Hurt Head
Jun 30, 2003

by Hand Knit
Pillbug

Robotnik Nudes posted:

Rubio having to turn his flex campaign into the real thing at the last moment is like in Phantom of the Opera when Christine has to fill in for the star because a disfigured creep scared everyone else away, except instead of knocking folks dead with Think of Me he's out there doing Lime in the Coconut awkwardly for a whole half hour

I appreciated this post, a lot

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009

The Kingfish posted:

Let's roleplay. What do you think a good attack on Trump might be?

He wants to gently caress his own daughter and the GOP hasn't attacked him on this because it would insult a plurality of their base in the South.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

Joementum posted:

That article reminded me that the authors of Game Change took a ride on the Trump zamboni.


I saw that thing when I was in Manhattan over the holidays. I had forgotten that to NYC he is just another resident rich guy with his name all over town.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Zohar posted:

more of cruz's voters will go to trump than to rubio

Based on a single poll of a single state.

Mister Fister
May 17, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
KILL-GORE


I love the smell of dead Palestinians in the morning.
You know, one time we had Gaza bombed for 26 days
(and counting!)

The Saurus posted:

Once upon a time "progressive" didn't mean the biggest SJW.

But sure, let's pretend that the neoliberal owned by goldman sachs, who voted for the iraq war is more progressive than the guy who wants tarriffs, protectionism, massive infrastructure investment and no more war because she only supports policies that lead to minorities being imprisoned and doesn't say mean things.

Tariffs/protectionism and even anti-war sentiments isn't necessarily just a progressive idea, there are lots of nativists who like that poo poo, which is basically what Trump is and who he's appealing to.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

paranoid randroid posted:

im not arguing against any of this. what im arguing against is the saurus's febrile little imagination dreaming up a secret progressive trump

Way to move the goalposts. I said he was more progressive than Shillary, not that he's secretly hiding a bunch of super leftist views.

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


The Kingfish posted:

Let's roleplay. What do you think a good attack on Trump might be?

"Donald Trump says he'll punish business who move manufacturing jobs abroad. Will he start by punishing his campaign, which manufactures all of its gear in China?"
"Donald Trump says he'll make sure American workers are treated fairly. Will he start by recognizing his casino workers' union so they can join the 95% of Las Vegas strip workers who are unionized?"
"Donald Trump is a snake-oil salesman whose Trump University defrauded people of tens of thousands of dollars. He can't be trusted with our economy."

*footage of Donald Trump on trial this May for Trump University fraud case*
*testimony from woman threatened with financial ruination for testifying against Trump*
None of this stuff will budge the people who already back him. But he can't win a GE with 30-35% of the voters in the Republican primary.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
The reason to be skeptical of Cruz's support going more to Trump, or even splitting evenly, is that Rubio is closer to Cruz ideologically and Cruz supporters are very ideological.

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


Jewel Repetition posted:

The reason to be skeptical of Cruz's support going more to Trump, or even splitting evenly, is that Rubio is closer to Cruz ideologically and Cruz supporters are very ideological.

i think the big reason to be skeptical is that anyone who supports Cruz at this point is tired of Trump relentlessly hammering him with the most vicious personal attacks we've seen all cycle. these people may agree with Trump more than Rubio but they hate him like poison after what he did to Dear Teddy.

not that they will be able to keep the Donald from the nomination, at this point.

KaptainKrunk
Feb 6, 2006


Jewel Repetition posted:

The reason to be skeptical of Cruz's support going more to Trump, or even splitting evenly, is that Rubio is closer to Cruz ideologically and Cruz supporters are very ideological.

The reason to be skeptical of that skepticism is that Cruz's supporters hate the establishment. Anything less than a 75-25 break in favor of Rubio won't put him over the top, and I don't see that happening. 60-40 either way seems pretty plausible to me.

CubsWoo
Aug 17, 2005

Where the big boys RAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGH FUCK YOU

TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:

So basically a primary but the polls open really late and there might be a speech?

Yeah, doors open late, every candidate can have a rep that gives a speech and you vote on a paper ballot. Also you need to be a Republican (you can change on-site, I think) and you need one of those vote-suppressing "Photo ID" things I've heard so much about

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

The Saurus posted:

Way to move the goalposts. I said he was more progressive than Shillary, not that he's secretly hiding a bunch of super leftist views.

congrats, youre still a loving dupe

Shark Sandwich
Sep 6, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Samurai Sanders posted:

I saw that thing when I was in Manhattan over the holidays. I had forgotten that to NYC he is just another resident rich guy with his name all over town.

My company had its Christmas party at Trump SoHo. The hors d'oeuvres were pretty good.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

UrbicaMortis posted:

Unless their members work in his hotels.

Sure, he tries to negotiate the best possible deal for his company with the unions, like any company would - but he doesn't unionbust and has no problem employing unionized labour.

Hillary Clinton was on the board of WALMART, the most disgustingly anti-union, anti-worker, union busting, propagandizing corporation in the country. They close down entire stores if they even get a whiff of their workers organizing.

But Rocks Hurt Head
Jun 30, 2003

by Hand Knit
Pillbug
Cruz vs. Trump has basically caused a holy war on Freep, I wonder how Cruz voters will break if he withdraws

Mister Fister
May 17, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
KILL-GORE


I love the smell of dead Palestinians in the morning.
You know, one time we had Gaza bombed for 26 days
(and counting!)

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

i think the big reason to be skeptical is that anyone who supports Cruz at this point is tired of Trump relentlessly hammering him with the most vicious personal attacks we've seen all cycle. these people may agree with Trump more than Rubio but they hate him like poison after what he did to Dear Teddy.

not that they will be able to keep the Donald from the nomination, at this point.

Maybe i don't have enough crazy evangelicals in my feed, but has anyone even seen Cruz supporters go to town on Trump for his accusations of dirty campaign tactics?

Zohar
Jul 14, 2013

Good kitty

Jewel Repetition posted:

Based on a single poll of a single state.

And the opposite argument is based on?

Also Rubio and Cruz have been at each other's throats as much as Cruz and Trump recently, I would be v surprised if the portion of Cruz supporters alienated by Trump was much larger than the proportion alienated by Rubio

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


The Saurus posted:

Sure, he tries to negotiate the best possible deal for his company with the unions, like any company would - but he doesn't unionbust and has no problem employing unionized labour.

Hillary Clinton was on the board of WALMART, the most disgustingly anti-union, anti-worker, union busting, propagandizing corporation in the country. They close down entire stores if they even get a whiff of their workers organizing.

you know, you don't have to worship trump. he does union-bust. you can admit that there are things about him that you don't like or that are less than perfect and still support him. 95% of the workers on the strip are unionized; trump's are not. that doesn't happen by coincidence.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
heres an attack on trump - the only salient difference between him and romney is that trump at least runs his own cons. if mittens is the guy who laid your brother off, donnys the one who convinced him that what he really needs in order to be competitive is a mail order diploma from Trump University

KaptainKrunk
Feb 6, 2006


But Rocks Hurt Head posted:

Cruz vs. Trump has basically caused a holy war on Freep, I wonder how Cruz voters will break if he withdraws

Cruz has too much money, too much pride, and too many rabid supporters to withdraw before Trump has already won.

CubsWoo
Aug 17, 2005

Where the big boys RAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGH FUCK YOU

But Rocks Hurt Head posted:

Cruz vs. Trump has basically caused a holy war on Freep, I wonder how Cruz voters will break if he withdraws

A recent poll showed that of those that would still vote, Cruz voters break

Trump 43
Rubio 36
Carson 17
Kasich 3

vrath
Jul 6, 2015

Buy 1 get 1 bottle of Lysol FREE!
An oldy but a goody

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEawIQRGHg8

Trump!

But Rocks Hurt Head
Jun 30, 2003

by Hand Knit
Pillbug
Trump definitely has an illegitimate black child out there somewhere, and I'm excited to meet them in the next few months

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:

So basically a primary but the polls open really late and there might be a speech?

http://www.nevadagopcaucus.org/what-are-caucuses-.html

4. What happens at a Republican caucus?

If you will be attending your first caucus and aren’t sure how it works, don’t worry, many of your fellow Republican caucus goers will be attending their first caucus too. Fortunately, Republican caucuses are simple and easy to understand.

All Republican caucuses in Nevada will start between 5:00pm and 7:00pm on Tuesday, February 23rd, 2016. At that time you will sign in with a local Republican volunteer who will verify that you are a registered Republican. A government issued photo I.D. is required.

The caucus will begin by electing a caucus chair and secretary. These two people will be in charge of running the precinct caucus. Generally the local county volunteers that called the meeting to order are elected by voice vote. After that, there will be an election of delegates and alternate delegates from your precinct caucus to the County Convention in the spring. Delegates have the right to vote at the County Convention. And each delegate has an alternate delegate who will vote in their place in case they are unable to attend the County Convention.

Each precinct caucus will be allocated a certain number of delegates and alternates. Anyone may run as a delegate or as an alternate delegate, and the individuals that receive the most votes are elected to represent the precinct at the county convention. Most people vote for delegates and alternate delegates that support the same candidate that they do. It’s the most important part of the caucus and we’ll explain why a little later.

After that, the caucus chair will ask if anyone wants to submit, in writing, an issue to be considered in the county platform. The platform is a document that expresses the beliefs and values of the county party. Issues submitted at the precinct caucus are debated and voted on at the county convention in March, and those that pass become part of the official county platform.

Once all platform issues have been submitted, the caucus chair will ask one person supporting each Republican candidate to stand up and briefly tell everyone attending why they should support their candidate.

After each of the short speeches, we will all cast our vote in the Presidential Preference Poll using paper ballots.

For most precincts, the whole process takes about 30-60 minutes. All meetings will end by 9:00pm.

Rocks
Dec 30, 2011

But Rocks Hurt Head posted:

Trump definitely has an illegitimate black child out there somewhere, and I'm excited to meet them in the next few months

And it won't hurt him at all

TROIKA CURES GREEK
Jun 30, 2015

by R. Guyovich

Jewel Repetition posted:

Based on a single poll of a single state.

It's not just that, the lane theory has turned out to be complete garbage and the idea that Trump would be hurt by a narrowed field was a thing the media essentially made up because they couldn't wrap their minds around the idea of a Trump victory. Rubio is a complete mess and there's no reason at all to think that being heads up with Trump is going to help him in any way because Trump is already winning or very close among every major republican demographic.

Jewel Repetition posted:

The reason to be skeptical of Cruz's support going more to Trump, or even splitting evenly, is that Rubio is closer to Cruz ideologically and Cruz supporters are very ideological.

And Trump does better among these demos than Rubio.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Just play Trump saying he thinks wages are too high on a loop over and over for 30 seconds.

Don't even attribute it to a campaign, it's not really necessary.

Otherkinsey Scale
Jul 17, 2012

Just a little bit of sunshine!

CubsWoo posted:

A recent poll showed that of those that would still vote, Cruz voters break

Trump 43
Rubio 36
Carson 17
Kasich 3

Source?

Mister Fister
May 17, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
KILL-GORE


I love the smell of dead Palestinians in the morning.
You know, one time we had Gaza bombed for 26 days
(and counting!)


Cruzmentum in Texas? Delegate awards are proportional unless someone gets 50% or more. Hoping for a brokered convention, unrealistic as that may be :allears:

Rocks
Dec 30, 2011

Mister Fister posted:



Cruzmentum in Texas? Delegate awards are proportional unless someone gets 50% or more. Hoping for a brokered convention, unrealistic as that may be :allears:

Doesn't it also have a 20% viability threshold? IE Rubio will get 0 here?

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

CubsWoo posted:

A recent poll showed that of those that would still vote, Cruz voters break

Trump 43
Rubio 36
Carson 17
Kasich 3

Only in North Carolina, mind you.


http://www.elon.edu/images/e-web/elonpoll/022216_ElonPoll_ExecSummary.pdf

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!

Rocks posted:

And it won't hurt him at all

Maybe not in the primary

StevePerry
Sep 5, 2003

don't stop believin

Rocks posted:

Doesn't it also have a 20% viability threshold? IE Rubio will get 0 here?
Correct.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

you know, you don't have to worship trump. he does union-bust. you can admit that there are things about him that you don't like or that are less than perfect and still support him. 95% of the workers on the strip are unionized; trump's are not. that doesn't happen by coincidence.

He uses union labour in NYC though. Compared to your average Republican he's a lot less vehement about destroying them.

I'll concede the point for Nevada though.

So Trump and Hillary both have a history of union-busting , except Trump wants to end the disastrous free trade agreements that destroy American manufacturing and only benefit the 1%, while Hillary wants to expand them. Trump still wins the rust belt.

This is why I have an issue with Hillary-supporting liberals who cry about Trump like he's Hitler. It's not that Trump is perfect, it's that for everything you can call out Trump for (except being a politically correct SJW I guess) Hillary has done the same or worse. Then you add the fact that he's superior to her in many respects, and that's why I prefer him to her and why I think he can win the general.

CubsWoo
Aug 17, 2005

Where the big boys RAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGH FUCK YOU

http://www.elon.edu/images/e-web/elonpoll/022216_ElonPoll_ExecSummary.pdf

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Trump's new twitter header is beautiful

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

mlmp08 posted:

Jeb! supporters found that this woman was wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0WIE-ySC7c

OK so I'm not sure what this was supposed to link to, but for me it immediately skipped to this documentary video about eSports gamer girl "Hafu-chan".

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Prorat
Aug 3, 2004

by FactsAreUseless
Defensive people pointing out how Trump cant win in the GE and Trump vs Hillary the last few pages. He is a threat.

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