as halfway crooks posted:

Nope

It makes one big bubble for "residents" and then warns about a 1% drop in "overall GNP" for that bubble

Majorian posted:

Okay:

Laphroaig posted:

So we need to never offer amnesty and instead create a perpetual caste of second-class migrant workers, got it, or the American economy and CA agricultural sector will collapse.

The Saurus posted:

Nicec study, it shows how employment and wages would increase for permanent residents and citizens if the illegal labour supply was decreased

quote:

The lost income would be only partially offset by higher real
wages for U.S.-born and foreign-born, permanent resident workers employed
as hired farm laborers or in other lower paying occupations where unauthorized
workers were formerly more prevalent.

Majorian posted:

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm proposing. There is no alternative between those two extreme choices.

Majorian posted:

It would raise wages for one sector of workers, but not offset the overall economic hit the U.S. economy would take. Did you not even read the section I quoted? (you don't have to answer that, I know you didn't)


Climate change is a pretty big one.


Oh this is spectacular.

Majorian posted:

What does this even mean?

Laphroaig posted:

I can't tell what you are proposing; either you can grant amnesty and a path to citizenship with full rights to the current undocumented migrant labor pool in the US, or you can try to keep the entire labor pool out, or you can maintain the status quo that no one, either people on the left or the right, think is correct.

what exactly are you advocating for

Majorian posted:

lol no it doesn't:

as halfway crooks posted:

Definitions, you can't use GNP to answer an income question

quote:

In the long run, overall gross
national product accruing to the U.S.-born and to foreign-born, permanent
residents would fall by about 1 percent, compared with the base forecast.
The number of U.S.-born and other permanent resident farmworkers would
increase, but not by an amount suffi cient to fully offset the decrease in the
employment of unauthorized farmworkers.

The Saurus posted:

it's tumblr-bullshit like "toxic masculinity". they dislike men who still act like men instead of self-flagellating for their crime of privilege

The Saurus posted:

Yes, it does:

Talmonis posted:

As annoying as the tumblr crew are, "Toxic Masculinity" is really just an academic term for Dudebros. I loving loathe Dudebros. Frat boy assholes who never grew out of that highschool heiarchy mentality. "Acting like a man" doesn't need to involve treating those you see as weaker or lesser in social status like garbage. It doesn't involve treating women like fucktoys. Acting like a man has nothing to do with loudly and aggressively declaring that you're not gay. Men cry (it's literally not healthy for you not to). Men like Taylor Swift music (See; Dwayne Johnson in Lip Synch Battles). I don't self-flagellate over my love of women. Because sweet Jesus do I love women. I just don't act like I'm entitled to their time, attention or reverence. Real men are gentlemen, not "alpha-beta" poo poo.

Talmonis posted:

As annoying as the tumblr crew are, "Toxic Masculinity" is really just an academic term for Dudebros. I loving loathe Dudebros. Frat boy assholes who never grew out of that highschool heiarchy mentality. "Acting like a man" doesn't need to involve treating those you see as weaker or lesser in social status like garbage. It doesn't involve treating women like fucktoys. Acting like a man has nothing to do with loudly and aggressively declaring that you're not gay. Men cry (it's literally not healthy for you not to). Men like Taylor Swift music (See; Dwayne Johnson in Lip Synch Battles). I don't self-flagellate over my love of women. Because sweet Jesus do I love women. I just don't act like I'm entitled to their time, attention or reverence. Real men are gentlemen, not "alpha-beta" poo poo.

cuckservative posted:

cool blog post bro

Talmonis posted:

As annoying as the tumblr crew are, "Toxic Masculinity" is really just an academic term for Dudebros. I loving loathe Dudebros. Frat boy assholes who never grew out of that highschool heiarchy mentality. "Acting like a man" doesn't need to involve treating those you see as weaker or lesser in social status like garbage. It doesn't involve treating women like fucktoys. Acting like a man has nothing to do with loudly and aggressively declaring that you're not gay. Men cry (it's literally not healthy for you not to). Men like Taylor Swift music (See; Dwayne Johnson in Lip Synch Battles). I don't self-flagellate over my love of women. Because sweet Jesus do I love women. I just don't act like I'm entitled to their time, attention or reverence. Real men are gentlemen, not "alpha-beta" poo poo.

Majorian posted:

Oh this is spectacular.

T r a v i s posted:

Is that not what it means?

Majorian posted:

In one sector of the labor force, which would not offset the decrease in wages on average.

Talmonis posted:

As annoying as the tumblr crew are, "Toxic Masculinity" is really just an academic term for Dudebros. I loving loathe Dudebros. Frat boy assholes who never grew out of that highschool heiarchy mentality. "Acting like a man" doesn't need to involve treating those you see as weaker or lesser in social status like garbage. It doesn't involve treating women like fucktoys. Acting like a man has nothing to do with loudly and aggressively declaring that you're not gay. Men cry (it's literally not healthy for you not to). Men like Taylor Swift music (See; Dwayne Johnson in Lip Synch Battles). I don't self-flagellate over my love of women. Because sweet Jesus do I love women. I just don't act like I'm entitled to their time, attention or reverence. Real men are gentlemen, not "alpha-beta" poo poo.

Talmonis posted:

Why am I unsurprised that the Trumpstaffel is loaded with MRA's?

The Saurus posted:

Uhh yeah sure dude, those guys who talk about how they're alpha or whatever are retards. Doesn't mean blaming it on the very concept of "masculinity" isn't retarded. In fact, that just plays into their hand because they can then claim the mantle of manliness, toxic as it may be, and use it to entice more of the pathetic losers who evolve into PUA's and the like.

Talmonis posted:

As annoying as the tumblr crew are, "Toxic Masculinity" is really just an academic term for BernieBros

The Saurus posted:

The increase goes to people who are struggling to get by on poverty wages, they need it more.

quote:

The decrease on average is less than 1 percent, and will include people who are incredibly rich.

InsanityIsCrazy posted:

CubsWoo posted:

Even if that report is 100% correct, a lot of people would be on board with removing illegals from the work force even at the cost of 1% of GDP (one that seems to be mostly taken out of the rich, not the blue collar workers that would directly benefit from such a proposal)

cuckservative posted:

aren't there like a dozen dicks you are supposed to be sucking atm?

Talmonis posted:

Why am I unsurprised that the Trumpstaffel is loaded with MRA's?

Majorian posted:

It's perfect, is what it is.

Talmonis posted:

And I agree with you. Tumblrinas are loving stupid. But at least they're harmless. Nobody will ever care about them, and it's why they're so loud.

T r a v i s posted:

So you "dislike men who still act like men instead of self-flagellating for their crime of privilege"?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The real problem with getting rid of all the illegals, is that Americans aren't willing to do physically grueling labor for chump change. A lot of you can talk big about not considering certain lines of work "beneath" you, but that attitude would change real loving quick when you're catching chickens in a sweltering coop house. Your soft pink bodies would give in to exhaustion after half an hour.

Talmonis posted:

Stupid as they are, we don't need you pulling this "White's aren't able to perform hard labor jobs" horseshit. It's needlessly divisive.

Top Bunk Wanker posted:

This doesn't work anymore and there won't be any moderators swooping in to ban the Reddit MRA PUAs.

Talmonis posted:

You're not wrong.

Talmonis posted:

And I agree with you. Tumblrinas are loving stupid. But at least they're harmless. Nobody will ever care about them, and it's why they're so loud.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The real problem with getting rid of all the illegals, is that Americans aren't willing to do physically grueling labor for chump change. A lot of you can talk big about not considering certain lines of work "beneath" you, but that attitude would change real loving quick when you're catching chickens in a sweltering coop house. Your soft pink bodies would give in to exhaustion after half an hour.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The real problem with getting rid of all the illegals, is that Americans aren't willing to do physically grueling labor for chump change. A lot of you can talk big about not considering certain lines of work "beneath" you, but that attitude would change real loving quick when you're catching chickens in a sweltering coop house. Your soft pink bodies would give in to exhaustion after half an hour.