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In Training
Jun 28, 2008

These guys who play 1000s of hours of the same game over and over again and can count frames like Neo looking at the matrix are cool because they know what a deadlift is and have two Tupac albums on their iPod.

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Cat Machine
Jun 18, 2008

Many years ago (like, before SF4 was even out) a very autistic dude used to come to our meetups for 3S/CVS2/Jojos and his mother would phone the LAN cafe we were in every week and ask us to walk him a few doors up the street to the bus stop and make sure he got on the bus. I spent a lot of my late teens standing about in the rain with a bunch of those old heavy SF2 Anniversary sticks on my back listening to someone tell me about variants of chess moves and EV/IV values in Pokemon.

After SF4 came out he ended up getting bopped out of a tournament by a textbook online Blanka player and he was so distraught that he ran out of the venue and people had to walk around the city looking for him for a few hours. He was actually a cool guy despite all this but yeeeeeeah there are definitely some unusual fellas in every video game scene, the FGC is definitely no more or less 'normal'.

Subbz
Nov 4, 2008
How does it run on PC? My CPU is fine but my 560ti might be a bottleneck. I grabbed it on PS4 but I've only got a 360 stick, and playing on pad is rear end.

dangerdoom volvo
Nov 5, 2009
a lot of fg players are petty criminals though, thats pretty cool

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

Help Im Alive posted:

Wasn't there a smash guy jizzing on people's bedsheets or something

To be fair, the owner of my local arcade\game store doesn't advertise his tourneys outside of his closed facebook group all that much because he doesn't want a bunch of smelly weirdoes showing up and I can understand that. When SF4 first came out, things were ran locally in some card game shop and it was packed wall to wall with hot and smelly nerds. What I'm saying is I guess I'm in some kinda nerd clique that decides who is in and who is out

And yeah... I'm totally forgetting about the existence of Marn, Chris G, Juicebox and like 90% of smash and anime fighter players... I went to one Smash tournament when Smash came out for the Wii U out of curiosity and said "nope, never again" after that

Revelant
Jul 27, 2007

Ask me about my male escort services. 30% Discounts for Goons.
Well after a long hard look at my fighting style. I realised I had some massive gaps in my game plan. Mainly terrible footsies.
I would just only attack if they were in range, hence why I was always getting beaten by Karin's button.

After testing out Laura's pokes and footsies tool and actively trying to use them. It completely changed my fighting change against my Nemesis Karin. So much so I have gone undefeated today against this player who bodied me 0-8 last night.
Might be luck or might be improvements, but I felt it was a safer game for me and I had more control of the fight.

I now understand better why people always say you need to have a solid footsies game, then build up on there. Going into fights by just attacking in range can get you stuffed quite alot.

Brosnan
Nov 13, 2004

Pwning the incels with my waifu fg character. Get trolled :twisted:
Lipstick Apathy

Help Im Alive posted:

Wasn't there a smash guy jizzing on people's bedsheets or something

Reason #548927 the FGC wants nothing to do with the Smash community.

dangerdoom volvo
Nov 5, 2009

Help Im Alive posted:

Wasn't there a smash guy jizzing on people's bedsheets or something

it was this guy

inthesto
May 12, 2010

Pro is an amazing name!

dangerdoom volvo posted:

a lot of fg players are petty criminals though, thats pretty cool

For every MewtwoKing, there is a Dark Prince, and thus balance in the universe is maintained

zelah
Dec 1, 2004

Diabetes, you are not invited to my pizza party.
I miss the create game/picking who you match up with from USF4. Getting a runback was a much easier process then.

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

How do I defeat flowchart ken (or Ryu) who throws a lot? I feel like he is the end boss of scrub tier matchmaking. Especially with someone like Chun who doesn't have a lot of gimmicks or a non-ex invincible reversal

I think I need to never miss my quick rises and get better at punishing blocked/whiffed dps and sweeps. It doesn't matter if they are throwing hadokens/shoryus/sweeps out like a maniac if I can't punish them for it. My mid range footsie game also gets discombobulated if they are decent at using fireballs as a midrange poke

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

gently caress me, after playing airdashers for so long and skipping sf4 I really have to adjust my play style I wish I could tell my subconscious "you can't block when you jump in this game dumbfuck!" :eng99:.

Edit : I keep trying to faultless defence for christs sake.

Monaghan fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Feb 25, 2016

Faffel
Dec 31, 2008

A bouncy little mouse!

fozzy fosbourne posted:

How do I defeat flowchart ken (or Ryu) who throws a lot? I feel like he is the end boss of scrub tier matchmaking. Especially with someone like Chun who doesn't have a lot of gimmicks or a non-ex invincible reversal

I think I need to never miss my quick rises and get better at punishing blocked/whiffed dps and sweeps. It doesn't matter if they are throwing hadokens/shoryus/sweeps out like a maniac if I can't punish them for it. My mid range footsie game also gets discombobulated if they are decent at using fireballs as a midrange poke

Set a dummy to do shoryukens and block em, punish them in training mode. You'll never lose to another low-tier Ken/Ryu unless you gently caress up something else. Once you can reliably punish those they'll start playing another game, or you'll win.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

fozzy fosbourne posted:

How do I defeat flowchart ken (or Ryu) who throws a lot? I feel like he is the end boss of scrub tier matchmaking. Especially with someone like Chun who doesn't have a lot of gimmicks or a non-ex invincible reversal

I think I need to never miss my quick rises and get better at punishing blocked/whiffed dps and sweeps. It doesn't matter if they are throwing hadokens/shoryus/sweeps out like a maniac if I can't punish them for it. My mid range footsie game also gets discombobulated if they are decent at using fireballs as a midrange poke

If you get one knockdown on people like this you will win because they will always DP reversal and if you have a punish for it you can decimate them. Karin at least her uppercut to deal with that is a crush counter and just destroys people. Idk about Chun though.

Brosnan
Nov 13, 2004

Pwning the incels with my waifu fg character. Get trolled :twisted:
Lipstick Apathy

fozzy fosbourne posted:

How do I defeat flowchart ken (or Ryu) who throws a lot? I feel like he is the end boss of scrub tier matchmaking. Especially with someone like Chun who doesn't have a lot of gimmicks or a non-ex invincible reversal

I think I need to never miss my quick rises and get better at punishing blocked/whiffed dps and sweeps. It doesn't matter if they are throwing hadokens/shoryus/sweeps out like a maniac if I can't punish them for it. My mid range footsie game also gets discombobulated if they are decent at using fireballs as a midrange poke

Kinda sounds like you already know what to do then?

Okita
Aug 31, 2004
King of toilets.

dangerdoom volvo posted:

a lot of fg players are petty criminals though, thats pretty cool

The signs of a good fighting game tourney:
  • Money matches
  • Rigged brackets
  • Someone who was eliminated magically reappearing in the tourney
  • If you bring your console you can expect it to get stolen
  • Your stick could also get stolen
  • 7-10 people staying in one hotel/motel room
  • Credit card fraud
  • One guy whips his dick out during a match and proceeds to win

It's still a lot of fun though, everyone should go to tourneys if you wanna improve and meet people who can help you improve.
That said the last tourney I went to was in 2004 so maybe things have changed since then. Maybe not.

Bisse
Jun 26, 2005

Real Soviet Muscle Power is thoroughly baller in this game. Comboing into super from Muscle Burst will never not be amazing, I don't know if his running grab is actually useful for anything at all, air grab is such a killer though, his v-trigger is good, and to be honest the fact that he doesn't have Green Hand or any other random tool to help him advance makes him play and feel exactly like he should, like a tower of sweaty bearwrastlin muscle slowly poking his way toward you and never stopping. I don't know if he is great but he is good and crazy fun and teaches you good fundamentals, go play CYCLOOOOONE people

Also I find doing 360's is much easier with a d-pad than with a stick once you get the motion down.


Speaking of Good, what's the tier list for this game???!? I wan to win Daigo Wong at char select.

Bisse fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Feb 25, 2016

FightingStreet
Oct 21, 2012

Take it to the bank, boys.

HoboWithAShotgun posted:

https://twitter.com/Yoshi_OnoChin/status/702651929743077377

Wonder if they're actually doing balance changes, I remember combofiend saying something like beta 4 and release would be pretty different.

I still think some characters might need a little extra atm.

I really doubt the patch is going to have balance changes. Capcom really doesn't have a reputation of kneejerk balance changes like Netherrealm and they have way more to worry about right now in terms of adding actual features and online stability. And as others have said, a balance patch three weeks in is kind of dumb. At least wait a few months and see how the tournament majors shake out.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

I'm going to go out on a limb and say we won't see a balance patch until after this first round of characters has been added and they start talking about the second round.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Gammatron 64 posted:

To be fair, the owner of my local arcade\game store doesn't advertise his tourneys outside of his closed facebook group all that much because he doesn't want a bunch of smelly weirdoes showing up and I can understand that. When SF4 first came out, things were ran locally in some card game shop and it was packed wall to wall with hot and smelly nerds. What I'm saying is I guess I'm in some kinda nerd clique that decides who is in and who is out

And yeah... I'm totally forgetting about the existence of Marn, Chris G, Juicebox and like 90% of smash and anime fighter players... I went to one Smash tournament when Smash came out for the Wii U out of curiosity and said "nope, never again" after that

So I mentioned a gaming themed club night in London. It's pretty cool, the SFV tournament they ran was pretty basic, but a lot of fun because everyone was a little tipsy and already had favourite players picked out because of the earlier Snes Mario Kart tournament. Nobody's going to do anything at Evo, but everyone enjoys what they're doing.

We chatted to the guys running it as we were set to leave after having a few drinks and playing some SF. My friends and I were accounted as decent Melee players back in the day (I managed to beat the UK champ in something like 2007) so we asked after it. Apparently they had chosen to run Smash for a while, especially after the Wii U version came out. Eventually they stopped because it emerged that all the Smash players showing up actually never bought any drinks and in fact didn't really seem to understand the "club" part of gaming club night. So they would routinely show up, ruin everyone, wave their dicks in a final and then refuse the prize, which was a pint on the house, because it might interfere with their precious reaction times.

Seriously gently caress the Smash community.

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

angel opportunity posted:

i have some real autistic FG people stories like a guy who named himself (irl too) after the combination of two pokemons' names, and his dad came with him to the first meetup he showed up at

You mean like Crunchyroll Sonic Fox, multiple time Mortal Kombat champion and furry who named himself after Sonic the Hedgehod and Fox McCloud

FightingStreet
Oct 21, 2012

Take it to the bank, boys.

In Training posted:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say we won't see a balance patch until after this first round of characters has been added and they start talking about the second round.

I wouldn't be surprised if they wait until after Capcom Cup in December, honestly. An annual balance update with changes to every character is more in line with what Capcom has done in the past, anyhow.

fozzy fosbourne posted:

How do I defeat flowchart ken (or Ryu) who throws a lot? I feel like he is the end boss of scrub tier matchmaking. Especially with someone like Chun who doesn't have a lot of gimmicks or a non-ex invincible reversal

I think I need to never miss my quick rises and get better at punishing blocked/whiffed dps and sweeps. It doesn't matter if they are throwing hadokens/shoryus/sweeps out like a maniac if I can't punish them for it. My mid range footsie game also gets discombobulated if they are decent at using fireballs as a midrange poke
Check and see if Chun has a crush counter that you can punish whipped DPs with, and then practice it with a recording of ryu or ken doing a bunch of DPs. I'm maining Vega and his standing HK crush counter leads to a full combo and I punish flowchart Kens with it all the time.

inthesto
May 12, 2010

Pro is an amazing name!
The last time I went to a console gathering, they only ran MK and DoA. The guy who ran the thing said "We don't run that Street Fighter poo poo here" and when I said DoA wasn't my jam, he said "What's you're problem with it other than certain adult portrayals of the female characters" in the creepiest way possible

His MtG card sleeves also had naked anime women on them

I don't think I'm going back there

Zaa Boogie
Sep 13, 2007

"Suckle on this receptacle!"

FightingStreet posted:

I wouldn't be surprised if they wait until after Capcom Cup in December, honestly. An annual balance update with changes to every character is more in line with what Capcom has done in the past, anyhow.


Yeah, they've already said they wouldn't do balance changes until after the Capcom Cup season so anything else would be to fix actual problems. Like Claw's Fly me to the Moon. :v:

Course gotta watch to see if they do stealth changes like smash does. But that's what they've 'officially' said.

angel opportunity
Sep 7, 2004

Total Eclipse of the Heart

inthesto posted:

"What's you're problem with it other than certain adult portrayals of the female characters" in the creepiest way possible


I don't think I'm going back there

read it in goon titans voice

Brosnan
Nov 13, 2004

Pwning the incels with my waifu fg character. Get trolled :twisted:
Lipstick Apathy

Cat Machine posted:

wishlist:
- disconnects counted as losses
- play replays without having to add them to that loving list
- ranked matches FT2?? (in higher leagues at least)
- training mode saves your setup
- something to make survival more bearable (though i think it might be a scam to get people buying colours)
- character themes outside of ranked (but ban laura's theme)
- an option to allow non-blind picks in battle lounge (good for knowing when someone is trying out an alt)

Yeah like none of these things are going to happen.

FightingStreet
Oct 21, 2012

Take it to the bank, boys.

Brosnan posted:

Yeah like none of these things are going to happen.

Disconnect penalties will probably happen. The rest, nah.

It's going to be the stuff they've already mentioned (Challenge mode, 8 player lobbies with spectator mode, etc.) and maybe Vs. CPU because of demand and it being incredibly easy to implement (I mean the functionality is already there in training mode)

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

Okita posted:

The signs of a good fighting game tourney:
  • Money matches
  • Rigged brackets
  • Someone who was eliminated magically reappearing in the tourney
  • If you bring your console you can expect it to get stolen
  • Your stick could also get stolen
  • 7-10 people staying in one hotel/motel room
  • Credit card fraud
  • One guy whips his dick out during a match and proceeds to win

It's still a lot of fun though, everyone should go to tourneys if you wanna improve and meet people who can help you improve.
That said the last tourney I went to was in 2004 so maybe things have changed since then. Maybe not.

On this weekend somebody smashed my car window and also a friend of mine's and they stole poo poo our of her car. Then we all saw a car driving down the street with 3 wheels. Not like, some weirdo British car that is supposed to have 3 wheels, but a car missing a wheel dragging its axle on the pavement, showering sparks everywhere and leaving the smell of burnt pavement. Normally, when you loose a wheel, most people say "hey, maybe I should pull over", but nope, this guy kept going like it was no big deal.

I play fighting games in safe places

AnonSpore posted:

You mean like Crunchyroll Sonic Fox, multiple time Mortal Kombat champion and furry who named himself after Sonic the Hedgehod and Fox McCloud

I kinda fell off the wagon as I got sick of USF4 after playing it for years and haven't kept up with recent streams within the past 2-3 years so that guy was pretty unknown to me. Yeeaaaahh... he seems pretty fuckin' weird.

Yorkshire Tea posted:

Seriously gently caress the Smash community.

The owner of my local arcade rightfully hates Smash and its community but sadly had to set up a Gamecube with Melee out of necessity. Sometimes you just gotta whore yourself out. We don't really know any of them as they just kind of stay in their own little corner. One time there was this little kid who kept saying "Hi-YAH!" and making Karate moves while playing and successfully annoyed everyone in there.

What's also hilarious is when I went to TFC, all the Smash players were cordoned off in this little room way the gently caress far away from everything else on the opposite side of the hotel :lol:

GET IN THE ROBOT fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Feb 25, 2016

2MB
Feb 3, 2009

"No need to speak. Your fists told me everything I need to know about you."
Sorry if repost but grats to jmcrofts for making it to SRK front page!

http://shoryuken.com/2016/02/25/dont-fall-victim-to-crossups-in-street-fighter-v/

inthesto
May 12, 2010

Pro is an amazing name!

Gammatron 64 posted:

I kinda fell off the wagon as I got sick of USF4 after playing it for years and haven't kept up with recent streams within the past 2-3 years so that guy was pretty unknown to me. Yeeaaaahh... he seems pretty fuckin' weird.

Other than wearing a sonic hat and a fox tail, I don't think Sonic Fox does or has done anything particularly weird

He has, however, beasted PerfectLegend 13-0 in a FT10

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club
Lipstick Apathy
He also puts his winnings towards his college fund. He's a good kid.

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

Gammatron 64 posted:

What's also hilarious is when I went to TFC, all the Smash players were cordoned off in this little room way the gently caress far away from everything else on the opposite side of the hotel :lol:

I approve of this recent trend of including Smash players to get their money and then quarantining them in a separate room for the actual tourney

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Yorkshire Tea posted:

So I mentioned a gaming themed club night in London. It's pretty cool, the SFV tournament they ran was pretty basic, but a lot of fun because everyone was a little tipsy and already had favourite players picked out because of the earlier Snes Mario Kart tournament. Nobody's going to do anything at Evo, but everyone enjoys what they're doing.

Where was this, Loading Bar? I'm not tournament material but I'd love to play against real live human beings. I tried seeing if there was a FGC group on meetup a while ago but there doesn't appear to be much of a community in London that I could find. :(

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

inthesto posted:

Other than wearing a sonic hat and a fox tail, I don't think Sonic Fox does or has done anything particularly weird

He has, however, beasted PerfectLegend 13-0 in a FT10

Sonic Fox is going God's work by wearin a tail and being a completely unabashed furry while winning tens of thousands on the main stage of crappy Netherrealm fighters, making that scene look like a complete joke. He's awesome.

boy are my arms tired
May 10, 2012

Ham Wrangler
i've basically avoided anything to do with sm4sh groups since i don't play smash except for fun drunk party games, are they really that awful just in general?

Brosnan
Nov 13, 2004

Pwning the incels with my waifu fg character. Get trolled :twisted:
Lipstick Apathy

FightingStreet posted:

Disconnect penalties will probably happen. The rest, nah.

It's not like people not taking losses on d/c was an oversight. Most FGs don't penalize players for quitting because the people making them have decided that getting complaints from people with lovely connections would be worse than getting complaints from everyone else.

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord
For some reason I thought all those kids that got in trouble for crapping into their hands and throwing it at each other were Smash players, but I looked it up and that was actually Pokemons players.

Fayk
Aug 2, 2006

Sorry, my brain doesn't work so good...

Golem II posted:

I'm not gonna post things anymore.

lovely FANG POST

If you're having trouble with Laura, you really probably don't want to play Fang. He's probably more difficult on execution if you're at all new to fighting games (just because worrying about charges or accidental charge moves when opponents cross you up, etc).

If you insist, there are a few things to know:

He doesn't do massive damage in combos, but can slowly do a little over time.

Forward jumps and HK will always face backwards, so this is babby's first cross-up but if you throw it out early your opponent can just walk backwards and you'll never hit them and be a free punish. As a general rule, jump from somewhat ambiguous (or flexible) distances, and use HP if you're not crossing, HK if you're crossing. Charge back (for whichever appropriate distance) while jumping, land, combo into HP xx Sotoja


Sotoja is his drill, Nishikyu is his projectiles, and Ryobenda is that ground smoke. All three of these can neutralize a non-EX fireball.

Sotoja is unsafe on block up close. AT max range, I think it's safe, but I'm not clear if that's purely because of range (ie, who can punish that far) or because it's hitting on later active frames.

His v-skill doesn't interact with things like a normal projectile, so it doesn't cause any sort of stun or direct damage and can't be neutralized other than avoidance.

His number of combos basically double if you get a counter-hit though.

If you get a hard knockdown, you can set up some annoying stuff with Nishikyu where if you get a hit before it hits, it will enable some extra damage/extended combos (ie, normal hits, projectile hits, then you do a normal combo).

Oddly, he can EX command dash (srk motion motion + kick) out of his projectile's recovery. Non-ex command dashes can be hit OR grabbed. Birdie's horizontal chain grab thing seems to hit this for...reasons, even though it's visibly below it.

Basics are here on HonzoGonzo's youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WndPY-DXhgQ

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

Smash players are locusts in every tournament ive been to

Those fuckers travel anywhere at anytime for anything. Our local group added it on to a tournament like a week before it went out, only on facebook groups. Normally there's like 100-120 people for sf and anime games, that day over 300 people came, and by god it reeked in that room.

It was at a cheap as gently caress hotel and they split the ballroom with partitions. The other half was a huge mexican wedding and they both shared the same hallway, it was cool and fun to see the mother of a bride dressed like she was going to the latino choice awards gag at the smell of a herd of unwashed 19 year olds wearing gamecube controllers around their necks like they were flava flav while they drag around a 30" hello kitty crt tv to wave dash or w/e it is they do

Also all the smash tvs bundled together by spilled soda-stained surge protectors kept popping the breakers, killing the power to us and the wedding, along with the capcom jamma cabinet some nerd dad brought up in the back of his pickup and plugged in to the hallway in case any of the mexican wedding guests wanted to throw down some third strike on this dude's smoke-yellowed candy cab

Its really hosed up now that i think about it

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Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

I don't mind smash players or whatever, but hoolly gently caress I wish there wasn't two smash games at evo this year. They are just so loving boring and take forever.

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