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chupacabraTERROR posted:Someone's gotta stand up to these pricks. ok but you're punching the ocean. the only functional thing that changes is that san diego doesn't have a football team anymore, and the world class stadium that owns never gets built.
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You need a car in San Diego. That's my take. No one take Chinatown seriously.
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Feb 25, 2016 07:16
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chupacabraTERROR posted:public transportation sucks, i enjoy my rear end being warmed by my cars heated seats when its 60 degrees or lower thank you very much If it's better funded it can be good though
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Feb 25, 2016 07:16
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Last time I checked, the chargers are still here and dean lost his idiotic game of brinkmanship. Going to LA a year after the Rams is not a smart move. He's got no more cards to play and everyone knows it. Something will get done in San Diego and it won't be deans first choice.
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Feb 25, 2016 07:17
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chupacabraTERROR posted:Someone's gotta stand up to these pricks. LA did, and we still got a team  Eventually
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Feb 25, 2016 08:52
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Ross Angeles posted:You need a car in San Diego. That's my take. That's the point. What if you didn't? A:MTS would gently caress it up anyways
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Feb 25, 2016 09:33
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No owner in the NFL, going all the way down to Mark Davis, should have to touch a penny of public money. Not when the league itself is richer than God.
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Feb 25, 2016 12:09
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people here actually think public money for stadiums is a good idea. wow
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Feb 25, 2016 12:45
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v2vian man posted:people here actually think public money for stadiums is a good idea. wow Well it's either that or lose football for good, right? Let's check with our man Volkerball.
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Feb 25, 2016 12:56
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v2vian man posted:people here actually think public money for stadiums is a good idea. wow Public money shouldn't be involved in stadium deals but I'm ok with developers getting lower than standard loans from the municipality or maybe getting an easier EIS than others would.
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Feb 25, 2016 16:52
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Zurreco posted:Public money shouldn't be involved in stadium deals but I'm ok with developers getting lower than standard loans from the municipality or maybe getting an easier EIS than others would. Why? If the Rams had gotten a loan from St. Louis they'd be in default right now so it's not like the loan is any less risky than any other loan.
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Feb 25, 2016 17:03
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I don't care about public money for stadiums as long as it's considered a loan the team pays back over the life of the stadium.
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Feb 25, 2016 17:19
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chupacabraTERROR posted:If the stadium is so profitable for its owners, why do taxes need to be raised? Businesses small and large undergo expansion all the time by using private financing, why should this be any different? I get that other cities have split the baby but indulge me and tell me, using financial rather than emotional reasons, why a city as broke as San Diego should feel compelled to raise taxes for this? I'm not going to effort post a balance sheet for you, I'm just going to say some cities will do it. Others won't. Guess what happens to the ones that don't? They don't have a team. I mean, pick your battles. What you're complaining about is the principle of the matter, not an actual financial hardship.
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Feb 25, 2016 18:59
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Ross Angeles posted:You need a car in San Diego. That's my take. This. Anybody that lives anywhere with public transit has no idea what southern california is like. Unless you plan for transit from the beginning, it's not happening, there's no room. 
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Feb 25, 2016 19:15
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Chinatown posted:I floor it past people waiting at bus stops to remind them of my transportational superiority. My car is in the shop for the next week and I know that I sure love how my commute went from a 15 minute drive to 50 minutes and now costs as much as a tank of gas.
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Feb 25, 2016 19:34
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kiimo posted:I'm not going to effort post a balance sheet for you, I'm just going to say some cities will do it. Others won't. Guess what happens to the ones that don't? They don't have a team. I agree with your post. Cities that say no to public financing don't have teams. However, other cities who HAVE said yes to public financing also sometimes don't have teams. Look at St. Louis, which is still on the hook for $100m in debt relating to the stadium there. You say that I'm complaining about the "principle" of the matter, rather than a financial hardship. I would say that the issue here IS the financial hardship. There is just not one compelling reason to use public financing other than "well without it you won't have a team". We'll see about that. They're still here for now. In any case, voters will decide if the stadium is worth their tax dollars. Not all city projects are revenue-generating, but getting shackled with debt by a third party who will do his best to gently caress you over is just bad business IMO.
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Feb 25, 2016 19:37
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I just really want San Diego to have nice things but then again it isn't my cash so that's easy to say. Having the Chargers in a gorgeous downtown stadium and going there to watch Chiefs games that spill out into a full-on margarita extravaganza that ends up in a hotel a few blocks away that I have to pay tourism taxes on sounds like a deal to me though, where do I sign up?
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Feb 25, 2016 19:42
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I wish it were that easy kiimo 
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Feb 25, 2016 19:47
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I just want the Chargers to stay in SD because gently caress LA. Plus the Chargers are cool, and everyone I know from SD is cool.
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DO YALL WANT A HAM posted:You literally don't understand why people use public transit do you You literally don't understand that I am being faceitous do you.
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Feb 25, 2016 20:15
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Also they can build a new stadium with new taxes after they fix the garbage roads in this city.
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Chinatown posted:Also they can build a new stadium with new taxes after they fix the garbage roads in this city. Lol
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:I just want the Chargers to stay in SD because gently caress LA. Well there's also the fact that LA doesn't want the Chargers any more than you want them to go there.
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Feb 25, 2016 20:51
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kiimo posted:I just really want San Diego to have nice things What does this have to do with the Chargers. 
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I want my neighbors to have nice houses even if I hate their guts.
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v2vian man posted:people here actually think public money for stadiums is a good idea. wow as a bengals fan that doesn't live in cincinnati, i
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Feb 25, 2016 22:17
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The driving culture's so predominant here that the voices to call for improvements to mass transit ahead of (or as a required side effect to) a downtown stadium are little yips here and there from random facebook posters at the bottom of articles on the union-trib's website. Door to door from where I live to downtown where I work, it's 20 minutes if I drive. If I used public transit my commute would be 102 minutes. In order to make it to work around 9, I'd have to be up and going by 7:20 instead of 8:40am, and I wouldn't get home until 7:15pm instead of 6pm. When you have kids you like hanging out with before and after work? It's a complete and total non-starter. Even if they expanded the transit situation to where it took me only 30 minutes each way, I still don't get the privacy, the personal space, the freedom from public transit weirdos, control over the climate, etc. I know this is a very southern California-centric way to view that but because the past is what it is, you're going to have to convince a bunch of people with mindsets exactly like that to convert their way of thinking AND up the density of mass transit such that everybody's commute stays roughly the same or improves. Given the size of the county and how spread out everything is, I don't see that even being possible. So what I'm saying is continue to let us kill the environment and our shocks on our lovely roads as we have a reason to drive downtown on a sunday eight times a year (lol playoffs)
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They're putting in a new rail line through Inglewood and the closest stop to the new stadium is still over 2 miles away. That's my post about public transportation
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When I first moved to Los Angeles a decade ago I was shocked to learn there was no train to take you from Hollywood to the beach. Then I found out that to build one you'd have to tear up Beverly Hills properties. There will never be a train from Hollywood to the beach.
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Feb 25, 2016 22:33
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kiimo posted:When I first moved to Los Angeles a decade ago I was shocked to learn there was no train to take you from Hollywood to the beach. When I was in college I interviewed for an internship at LA Metro and I met a guy there who got pulled out of retirement because he ran into his old boss at a funeral to work on, of all things, the 710 extension that will never ever happen
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Just to get it to go through West Hollywood would cost 4.5 billion. They are hoping it will be paid by tax payers. Now that, San Diego, is a tax hike worth turning down.
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Feb 25, 2016 22:53
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I take the bus when I ditch my car at the bars the night before. Busses remind me of being hungover. Thats my public transportation experience. That said I DO enjoy taking public transit in cities that are built with them in mind (NY, London, European cities). But lol no SoCal will never have good public transport given the nature of the size and sprawl.
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I'm honestly surprised that new stadiums aren't being built with public transport in mind. Yankees games are amazingly easy to get to because they put a stop right there in front of the stadium.
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DreamtShadow posted:I'm honestly surprised that new stadiums aren't being built with public transport in mind. Yankees games are amazingly easy to get to because they put a stop right there in front of the stadium. It's like, the one thing Oakland Coliseum has going for it is that it has it's own BART station.
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DreamtShadow posted:I'm honestly surprised that new stadiums aren't being built with public transport in mind. Yankees games are amazingly easy to get to because they put a stop right there in front of the stadium. In metro's defense the Crenshaw line was already well under construction before Kroenke even announced his proposal
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:When I was in college I interviewed for an internship at LA Metro and I met a guy there who got pulled out of retirement because he ran into his old boss at a funeral to work on, of all things, the 710 extension that will never ever happen I have no idea how much these jobs pay but planning highways has to be awful on the one hand because you're expected to deliver on the impossible, but, also cool because no one ever really expects you to accomplish these things.
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Highway planning is all fun and good until Ben Caspere disappears and then somebody kills Stan. Who would want to kill Stan??
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kiimo posted:When I first moved to Los Angeles a decade ago I was shocked to learn there was no train to take you from Hollywood to the beach. You'll be able to go from downtown (and passed the Coliseum/USC) to Santa Monica soon. Shame that didn't exist when my girlfriend was still at USC. I took public transit all the time, because I didn't have a car. It was a 50min bus ride vs 20-30min drive, which wasn't too bad of a trade off when gas/parking fees were included. Took the blue line from downtown Long Beach to downtown LA quite a bit too. Doing that on a daily basis for work would suck though. Now I ride my bike everywhere. I'll never learn. 
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Yeah, the Expo line will open all the way to 4th & Colorado sometime this year. They re-routed the poors through Culver City so that no station comes within a mile of their precious 90210 Have they announced anything connecting the Inglewood stadium with the Green line? Lol at anyone who wants to walk from Hawthorne / Lennox to the stadium.
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I bet that area gets cleaned up quite a bit before doors open. Inglewood was on the up before the stadium and this will only help that process.
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