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DWS just gets under my skin with her general mannerisms. She almost reminds me of Michelle Bachmann, but for Democrats.
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FlamingLiberal posted:And speaking as a fellow Floridian the pot thing didn't work either....it got over 50% but it fell short of the 60% required to make it law. So we're doing it all over again in November. Yeah, I voted for Crist and voted for pot, but I know a number of people who stayed home because they didn't give a poo poo about pot and didn't see an appreciable different between Voldemort and Crist.
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Feb 29, 2016 17:54
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Mr. Nice! posted:Or they could actually spend money on downticket races and actually try o fight against republicans.  Do you think the Democrats are a bunch of billionaires or something  Something, something, local politics and bootstraps.
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Feb 29, 2016 17:57
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The DNC squandered all of the mobilization from OFA. I was super energized in 2008 and if anyone had reached out to me after i'd have kept going. Its one thing i'm really enjoying about the Bernie campaign is that I get emails to remind me to phone bank and theres a ton of outreach and there's actually a plan to keep it going after.
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Feb 29, 2016 17:59
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smg77 posted:I don't think you know what that term means. Millenials not getting their magic wizard man as the candidate is not disenfranchisement. Voter ID laws and 'accidently' removing voting booths from college campuses will disenfranchise young people.
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Tigntink posted:The DNC squandered all of the mobilization from OFA. I was super energized in 2008 and if anyone had reached out to me after i'd have kept going. Its one thing i'm really enjoying about the Bernie campaign is that I get emails to remind me to phone bank and theres a ton of outreach and there's actually a plan to keep it going after. Were you not on the OFA mailing list? They sent a ton, a ton,of mobilization emails.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:02
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zoux posted:Anyway as you can see people don't know why DWS is bad they just have a sense that she is because she's presiding over the D's failing at state and off-year elections. Or folks like you continue to make poo poo up and ignore long, well thought out posts to the contrary.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:02
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Talmonis posted:DWS just gets under my skin with her general mannerisms. She almost reminds me of Michelle Bachmann, but for Democrats. This is what I suspect is the problem for most people, as I have yet to see anyone articulate exactly what it is she's doing wrong, except saying pot shouldn't be legalized and supporting the actual Democrat in the race. Solkanar512 posted:Or folks like you continue to make poo poo up and ignore long, well thought out posts to the contrary. Haven't seen one yet.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:02
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Trabisnikof posted:Were you not on the OFA mailing list? They sent a ton, a ton,of mobilization emails. The didn't do a loving think to defend the ACA during 2010 or ensure that legislatures stayed blue for the census. zoux posted:This is what I suspect is the problem for most people, as I have yet to see anyone articulate exactly what it is she's doing wrong, except saying pot shouldn't be legalized and supporting the actual Democrat in the race. This is really loving stupid Zoux. Read back a few pages before posting this poo poo again.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:04
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Solkanar512 posted:The didn't do a loving think to defend the ACA during 2010 or ensure that legislatures stayed blue for the census. How on earth do you think OFA could have done what you asked? They don't have a magic "win races" button. Winning legislative races with national money is not a simple idea. Do you parachute in hired guns (and risk offending locals)? Do you just give the money to the local party (and risk them wasting it)? Do you fund the idealist progressives in congress (like people in this thread demand) or do you spend money electing blue dogs to hold the line on redistricting (like people in this thread demand)?
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Feb 29, 2016 18:06
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zoux posted:Haven't seen one yet. Electric Bugaloo posted:She was also responsible for the Democrats' initial plan to have no more than six debates this cycle and viciously stuck to those guns in the face of overwhelming opposition- going so far as to threaten the campaigns with repercussions if they participated in any unsanctioned events. Potato Salad posted:From many pages back, eat poo poo. SSNeoman posted:Yuuup. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/magazine/debbie-wasserman-schultz-thinks-young-women-are-complacent.html?_r=0 Seriously, quit being so loving lazy.
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Solkanar512 posted:Seriously, quit being so loving lazy. Lol, I'm glad you found some posts that give you a reason to hate DWS other than "she doesn't support Bernie" but I think the hatred goes deeper than "limited debates" and "said what every single other second wave feminist has said". (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 29, 2016 18:09
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I've been hearing DWS hate long before Bernie was running.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:11
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Trabisnikof posted:How on earth do you think OFA could have done what you asked? The very least they could have done was have supporters contact their representatives and attend town hall meetings to support the president. It doesn't take much to customize those sorts of notifications given the data sets already available. I mean gently caress, are you seriously happy with how 2010 went, and that the DNC did everything they could to get support for this bill?
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Feb 29, 2016 18:11
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zoux posted:Lol, I'm glad you found some posts that give you a reason to hate DWS other than "she doesn't support Bernie" but I think the hatred goes deeper than "limited debates" and "said what every single other second wave feminist has said". What in the hell does DWS have to do with the primary? Is that why you're blindly supporting her, because you think she's a Clinton supporter or something? This has nothing to do with Sanders vs. Clinton and the issues go back for years. I think you're just making poo poo up at this point.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:13
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I guess a different question is why should she keep her job? National politics is complicated so it's hard to say what stuff is or isn't her fault but it would be interesting to know what she is doing that makes her a good chair.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:14
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Solkanar512 posted:The very least they could have done was have supporters contact their representatives and attend town hall meetings to support the president. It doesn't take much to customize those sorts of notifications given the data sets already available. No, I'm not happy with 2010 but I recognize that the ability of campaigns to influence elections is highly overstated. Likewise, when you talk about townhalls, you have to put them in the context that even the Reps themselves weren't aware it was going to blow up like that. Plus, defending ACA would have done jack-all to help redistricting...the DNC def didn't have the money to do all of the above. That's my main problem with the "DWS ruined 2010/2014" narrative. We were going to lose hard and all the DNC could do is limit the bleeding. Maybe she could have done a better job, but there's no way God Emperor Dean himself could have turned the tide.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:17
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Solkanar512 posted:What in the hell does DWS have to do with the primary? Is that why you're blindly supporting her, because you think she's a Clinton supporter or something? This has nothing to do with Sanders vs. Clinton and the issues go back for years. I'm not supporting her, I know the reasons I think she should be gone. I'm calling out people who are talking about DWS like the Tea Party talks about Obama, and who have no idea why she's bad except that they've heard that she's bad. Trabisnikof posted:No, I'm not happy with 2010 but I recognize that the ability of campaigns to influence elections is highly overstated. There's also plenty of precedence for not inviting an unpopular president out to campaign events.
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Radish posted:I guess a different question is why should she keep her job? I don't see her losing her position if Clinton becomes president because she has traditionally been part of the Clinton machine, and the Clintons have always been good about rewarding their followers. Whether she is trying to affect the primary because if this is frankly rather irrelevant. She has stated that her only reason to be DNC chair is to try and increase her own prominence, and frankly has done an rear end poor job of organizing the democratic party, as seen by the absolute shitshow that is the state parties in a lot of states that is causing them to lose winnable elections. Popular Thug Drink posted:the huge boom in first time voter enthusiasm for sanders should demonstrate that the reason the dems are sucking at local and state races is because they generally aren't interesting enough for vaguely left but not politically active folks to bother voting What, you mean running a campaign that is 100% "I am not this scary Republican who is going to do bad things, vote for me. No I'm not going to even mention my own name" isn't a good way of getting people enthusiastic to vote? Who would have guessed. Khisanth Magus fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Feb 29, 2016 |
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Popular Thug Drink posted:the huge boom in first time voter enthusiasm for sanders should demonstrate that the reason the dems are sucking at local and state races is because they generally aren't interesting enough for vaguely left but not politically active folks to bother voting Well based on the primaries, Bernie doesn't really fulfill those requirements either.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:19
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computer parts posted:Well based on the primaries, Bernie doesn't really fulfill those requirements either. IIRC in some states the youth vote is around as high as 2008. Though those are states that explicitly appeal to Sanders demographics, the youth turnout struggles in states that Sanders doesn't reach well. Having the right candidate matters to a degree.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:22
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punk rebel ecks posted:IIRC in some states the youth vote is around as high as 2008. Though those are states that explicitly appeal to Sanders demographics, the youth turnout struggles in states that Sanders doesn't reach well. Having the right candidate matters to a degree. Didn't you get the message, voter enthusiasm doesn't matter anymore. Young people don't vote.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:24
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punk rebel ecks posted:IIRC in some states the youth vote is around as high as 2008. Though those are states that explicitly appeal to Sanders demographics, the youth turnout struggles in states that Sanders doesn't reach well. Having the right candidate matters to a degree. I'd like to see data on that. Though with the qualifier you gave, I guess that just means "New Hampshire has youth vote as high as in 2008".
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Feb 29, 2016 18:27
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zoux posted:I'm not supporting her, I know the reasons I think she should be gone. I'm calling out people who are talking about DWS like the Tea Party talks about Obama, and who have no idea why she's bad except that they've heard that she's bad. If you were doing this in good faith you'd be quoting these specific individuals. Instead you're making blanket statements, tying it to supporters of Bernie Sanders for some stupid reason and ignoring anyone who says anything different. This isn't useful or productive conversation.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:29
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Khisanth Magus posted:Didn't you get the message, voter enthusiasm doesn't matter anymore. Young people don't vote. Only the youth vote can change that.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:30
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Feb 29, 2016 18:31
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Trabisnikof posted:Were you not on the OFA mailing list? They sent a ton, a ton,of mobilization emails. I think what initially happened after Obama was that the OFA mailing list was just generic and terrible. Basically just repeatedly asking a college kid for money is stupid. They never asked for me to volunteer. I got more useful emails from moveon than OFA.
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2014 was a strong example of the Democrats failing because they tried to lure away Repub voters by tacking to the right, resulting in neither luring away enough of those voters to matter amd giving the Democrat voters any reason to show up and vote.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:33
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computer parts posted:I'd like to see data on that. Though with the qualifier you gave, I guess that just means "New Hampshire has youth vote as high as in 2008". This is a good breakdown that was current as of Nevada.
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Feb 29, 2016 18:34
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FAUXTON posted:As a former Floridian I can assure you this is not only correct but also due to shitheads from New Jersey and the non-Manhattan boroughs of NYC flying down there and turning the place into what Arizona is rapidly becoming. oh wow so new jersey does have an export industry now cool
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Taerkar posted:2014 was a strong example of the Democrats failing because they tried to lure away Repub voters by tacking to the right, resulting in neither luring away enough of those voters to matter amd giving the Democrat voters any reason to show up and vote. Please, which races would have gone blue in 2014 if only the Democratic candidate ran a more progressive and less moderate campaign?
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Taerkar posted:2014 was a strong example of the Democrats failing because they tried to lure away Repub voters by tacking to the right, resulting in neither luring away enough of those voters to matter amd giving the Democrat voters any reason to show up and vote. Source?
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Trabisnikof posted:Please, which races would have gone blue in 2014 if only the Democratic candidate ran a more progressive and less moderate campaign? Do your really think that one candidate in Kentucky (who's name I don't remember) who refused to say if she voted for Obama during a debate when asked really did her any favors?
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Feb 29, 2016 18:40
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KomradeX posted:Do your really think that one candidate in Kentucky (who's name I don't remember) who refused to say if she voted for Obama during a debate when asked really did her any favors? Which doesn't prove that she would've won if she had done so. McConnell beat Grimes 56-41. That's not something that can be overcome just by saying "Obamacare is great and I voted for Obama!"
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Feb 29, 2016 18:42
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punk rebel ecks posted:IIRC in some states the youth vote is around as high as 2008. Though those are states that explicitly appeal to Sanders demographics, the youth turnout struggles in states that Sanders doesn't reach well. Having the right candidate matters to a degree. "Well if you count out the areas where he doesn't fulfill the requirements, then he does!"
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KomradeX posted:Do your really think that one candidate in Kentucky (who's name I don't remember) who refused to say if she voted for Obama during a debate when asked really did her any favors? No, I think that was a horrible blunder by that candidate. The correct thing would have been to say she voted Obama, because of hope/change and has thus far been a little disappointed in the grid-lock and the focus on washington and not mainstreet, etc etc. The DNC had nothing to do with gaff and even if Dean was DNC chair, the candidate in KY wouldn't have run a pro-Obama campaign and won.
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Trabisnikof posted:No, I think that was a horrible blunder by that candidate.
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