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HookedOnChthonics posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/u...WT.nav=top-news Scalia has taken possession of his next avatar.
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Thomas spoke from the bench today, asking about a dozen pointed questions about whether a misdemeanor domestic violence conviction is grounds to strip Second Amendment rigts
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^^^^^ next USPol thread title: USPol March: Shock...and..awwww...HookedOnChthonics posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/u...WT.nav=top-news The one time this rear end in a top hat decides to speak and it's about the danger of stripping a individual his right to a gun if convicted of domestice violence? How many goddamn examples does he need the unequivocally demonstrate that the rate of fatalities are exponentially increased when guns are involved in cases of domestic violence?
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quote:I don't think you've shown your work that trying to be more pro-Obama would have helped. It's impossible to prove it would have helped, as you well know :p. But the 2014 strategy of running away from Obama is correlated with a disaster for the party. It's pretty strong evidence that you cannot actually separate yourself from your party's President, and trying to is unconvincing at best.
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Feb 29, 2016 20:17
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:The one time this rear end in a top hat decides to speak and it's about the danger of stripping a individual his right to a gun if convicted of domestice violence? How many goddamn examples does he need the unequivocally demonstrate that the rate of fatalities are exponentially increased when guns are involved in cases of domestic violence? You think Clarence Thomas gives a poo poo about statistics?
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Feb 29, 2016 20:18
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:The Presidential nominee is the defining measure of the party as a whole. If you run away from your presidential nominee, the case for voting for your party becomes completely incoherent. Most people are voting for the party affiliation- only a small number of candidates are influential enough in their own right to stake out their own terms and still have an appeal outside belonging to the party. Tell that to Republicans in '06 or D's in '94, sprinting away from your unpopular President in midterms happens all the time.
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Feb 29, 2016 20:19
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Trabisnikof posted:Plus, defending ACA would have done jack-all to help redistricting...the DNC def didn't have the money to do all of the above. That's my main problem with the "DWS ruined 2010/2014" narrative. We were going to lose hard and all the DNC could do is limit the bleeding. I don't disagree with you on that but we honestly wouldn't have lost any harder than we did, and we probably would've come into 2015/16 with a stronger, more unified message and base if the Dems had changed their rhetorical tack sooner (not that this primary cycle hasn't been a godsend for the Dems on both fronts, for all that we may find a panoply of reasons to bitch about it). Campaigns in 2014 never actually challenged the GOP noise machine on the charges that they were "Obama Democrats" or that Obama was the president and they were Democrats in any way that made sense. The sort of voters who resonated to that message weren't going to be won back over by even the most convincing show of stonewalling. President Obama did not need to wait until the end of 2015 to start aggressively reminding Americans that he was actually doing a pretty good job, regardless of what the chuckleheads in congress said. I don't think that any of the races that we lost in '14 would've magically "gone blue" with more visible progressive backbone, but the Democratic base would've been substantially more energized and cohesive in all of those places- which would only have been a good thing with the rhetoric climate of the last few years. zoux posted:I'm not supporting her, I know the reasons I think she should be gone. I'm calling out people who are talking about DWS like the Tea Party talks about Obama, and who have no idea why she's bad except that they've heard that she's bad. So you're turning a "do we personally think the DNC chair is/isn't doing an adequate job" question into the exact sort of purity slapfight that got this thread gassed a handful of weeks ago? I'm with you on 95% of what you post, but you're really not being reasonable here . computer parts posted:Which doesn't prove that she would've won if she had done so. True, but how many of those 41% would've been lost with a more pro-Obama campaign? What did Grimes stand to gain by burying any connection to Obama when literally every other voice in the election was blaring it from the mountaintops? Even if the vote count had stayed exactly the same it would've been a bigger local messaging win for the Dems than the whimper they ended with.
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An interesting thought experiment: if Donald Trump becomes the Republican nominee, what approach do the Republicans running for Senate seats take in their campaigns? I can't imagine that all of them are happy about him.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:An interesting thought experiment: if Donald Trump becomes the Republican nominee, what approach do the Republicans running for Senate seats take in their campaigns? I can't imagine that all of them are happy about him. If he is polling well in your state, embrace. If not, denounce.
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Trabisnikof posted:Agreed, but they did. The DNC did help Grimes out a lot. You just can't solve all problems with money and consultants. Probably not the best example, as you said she received some support. More concerning is Conway for governor and Chandler in Lexington's congressional district. When they lost, there were plenty of Republican voices everywhere and not a peep from the democrats. That is incompetence. It's probably more of an indictment of the KDP
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Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach has endorsed Donald Trump Reminder that before he became famous for his crusade against voting rights and ties to the white supremacist community he was in charge of the NSEERS database for Bush. So it isn't really surprising he's jumping to get behind the candidate offering the chance to build a new database to register Muslims.
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hobbesmaster posted:Probably not the best example, as you said she received some support. More concerning is Conway for governor and Chandler in Lexington's congressional district. When they lost, there were plenty of Republican voices everywhere and not a peep from the democrats. That is incompetence. To me the biggest failing holding back progress is the lack of a consistence and comprehensive leftist/progressive vision. There isn't an ideology that combines the pluralist drives of the left and without it you can't expect to make substantial change. But in the short term, Obama sucking at personal/legislative/party politics was the biggest hamper.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:An interesting thought experiment: if Donald Trump becomes the Republican nominee, what approach do the Republicans running for Senate seats take in their campaigns? I can't imagine that all of them are happy about him. McConnell has reportedly told Senators that if they need to distance themselves from Trump he'll have their back. Expect Republican Senators in blue states to at least downplay associations to Trump, if not out-and-out disavow him.
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zoux posted:https://www.instagram.com/p/BCYYkMim_BA/ So Time photog told a SS agent 'gently caress you' when the SS agent got in his way and refused to let him take pictures and got chokeslammed and it all got caught on video?
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Trabisnikof posted:To me the biggest failing holding back progress is the lack of a consistence and comprehensive leftist/progressive vision. There isn't an ideology that combines the pluralist drives of the left and without it you can't expect to make substantial change. Minimum wage and Obamacare were her main points but wow has messaging been bad on that. Hell, the fact that I just said Obamacare means that the republicans won the messaging war. Be careful with that "consistent and comprehensive" vision. As a random example, Kentuckians may be on board with the medicaid expansion and other healthcare policies, but they are also pro gun. Gun control efforts coming from the coasts would prove problematic even if a "blue dog" votes against any gun control. Chandler voted against Obamacare and he was defeated the next election by a tea partier. Part of the reason the house was lost was that the blue dogs are gone. They may not have let single player or the like go through, but at least it was Pelosi setting the agenda.
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hobbesmaster posted:Minimum wage and Obamacare were her main points but wow has messaging been bad on that. Hell, the fact that I just said Obamacare means that the republicans won the messaging war. Nah, words can be reclaimed and are all the time. People also like their healthcare, so using Obamacare is a win.
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Oracle posted:So Time photog told a SS agent 'gently caress you' when the SS agent got in his way and refused to let him take pictures and got chokeslammed and it all got caught on video? The SS agent definitely overreacted and I think realized it after the reporter was taken down. It seems to me that this was driven by the fact that a bunch of protesters were being escorted out at the time (which happened multiple times) and the agent in the middle of a Trump rally was probably already on edge. So the reporter saying gently caress you in his face after bumping into him probably flipped the switch. At least that's my attempt to rationalize someone being choke-slammed. Boon fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Feb 29, 2016 |
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zoux posted:https://www.instagram.com/p/BCYYkMim_BA/ Can someone explain what is going on here. Who are these people streaming out of the arena, are they being kicked out? Who are they? Why do these two seemingly unrelated (to the people leaving) start fighting?
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It amazes me that "the money and support for 9/11 came from Saudi Arabia and we don't talk about that for diplomatic reasons" is now getting played as a conspiracy theory.
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Gozinbulx posted:Can someone explain what is going on here. Who are these people streaming out of the arena, are they being kicked out? Who are they? Why do these two seemingly unrelated (to the people leaving) start fighting? It's at a Trump rally so I assume they were protesting. and: Oracle posted:So Time photog told a SS agent 'gently caress you' when the SS agent got in his way and refused to let him take pictures and got chokeslammed and it all got caught on video? Photog is a good guess since he's dressed like a depression era hobo.
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I didn't think the Secret Service could gently caress up anymore. Wonder if this election will culminate in a SS instigated, unjustified, shooting of a black protestor at a Donald Trump rally. That'd just wrap a whole bunch of shitshows up in a nice bow huh?
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Boon posted:The SS agent definitely overreacted and I think realized it after the reporter was taken down. I think this was driven by the fact that a bunch of protesters were being escorted out at the time (which happened multiple times) and the agent in the middle of a Trump rally was probably already on edge. So the reporter saying gently caress you in his face after bumping into him probably flipped the switch. https://twitter.com/JaxAlemany/status/704378111689945088 Unfortunately from this one we don't see what happened other than him getting up from the ground and then grasping the agent's neck. Heres someone tweeting a still: https://twitter.com/FormerlyFormer/status/704384882433085441
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Gozinbulx posted:Can someone explain what is going on here. Who are these people streaming out of the arena, are they being kicked out? Who are they? Why do these two seemingly unrelated (to the people leaving) start fighting? Protesters are being escorted out of a Trump rally. SS agent steps in front of photographer (Chris Morris, TIME) who is trying to get pictures of the protestors, tells him to back off. Photographer gets testy, tells SS agent "gently caress you". SS agent flips out, choke slams photographer.
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Fried Chicken posted:It amazes me that "the money and support for 9/11 came from Saudi Arabia and we don't talk about that for diplomatic reasons" is now getting played as a conspiracy theory.
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hobbesmaster posted:
I like how that part of the incident comes after the reporter get's choke-slammed and almost curbstomped and is pretty much self defense at that point since the SS agent was still going for him. But you know, politics...
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Feb 29, 2016 21:06
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hobbesmaster posted:Heres someone tweeting a still: That is a really bad idea.
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Feb 29, 2016 21:07
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HookedOnChthonics posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/u...WT.nav=top-news What a massive piece of poo poo. Of course a 225 year old correct means more than women and children lives. He should have croaked instead of Scalia. With Scalia you had a consistent dribble of diarrhea not a constipation blowout.
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Crain posted:I like how that part of the incident comes after the reporter get's choke-slammed and almost curbstomped and is pretty much self defense at that point since the SS agent was still going for him. But you know, politics... Not that that excuses him or anything.
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Haha here's how Breitbart is reporting it: https://twitter.com/NolteNC/status/704378839527464960
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It is important to note that the TIME reporter made that action AFTER being choke-slammed. Not that, that should get in the way of Breitbart spinning reality.
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Crain posted:I like how that part of the incident comes after the reporter get's choke-slammed and almost curbstomped and is pretty much self defense at that point since the SS agent was still going for him. But you know, politics... I don't believe that came after the choke-slam, did it?
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Crain posted:I like how that part of the incident comes after the reporter get's choke-slammed and almost curbstomped and is pretty much self defense at that point since the SS agent was still going for him. But you know, politics... Is there video of the choke slam itself? And I'm pretty sure there was no curb stomp by definition.
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SedanChair posted:You think Clarence Thomas gives a poo poo about statistics? only if it's Thomas Jefferson's bookkeeping of his plantation finances icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Feb 29, 2016 |
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I would like the people here schilling for DWS and the DNC to explain why the should remain. Because as it turns out losing much of the time is not do to an opponents skill but from internal incompetence. Why should people who barley broke even in 12, and sufferer ed horrible losses in 10, and 14. Combined with generally not turning out support in off ears be allowed to continue to run the democrats? I mean if you're going to be deliberate contrarians just admit it. Also before you say it. Yes I do support Bernie but if you go back in the archives you will see that I have been calling for the DNC to be knocked down and rebuilt for three years. This go beyond HRC and Sanders. This goes to ensuring the party can give its base a reason to turn out.
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Northjayhawk posted:I don't believe that came after the choke-slam, did it? Yes, it did. The reporter didn't touch the guy until after he got taken down, all he did was mouth off. Once he was down, he fairly tried to kick the dude away, then he did that throat grab thing to show the onlookers what happened (which was loving stupid and he's lucky he didn't end up on his rear end a second time).
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hobbesmaster posted:Is there video of the choke slam itself? And I'm pretty sure there was no curb stomp by definition. Yeah I posted it above son.
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The reporter went for the agent's throat as a matter of making his case to those around him about what the agent did. For Crain to call that self-defense is being disingenuous at best since the agent let him get up after the reporter was kicking from his back.
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