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homeowner 39 22.41%
renter 69 39.66%
stupid peace of poo poo 66 37.93%
Total: 174 votes
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Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
DSE stock liquidation sale tomorrow, pass it on

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WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
I got over a grand of Yankeebux for yakking into my mic for forty hours yesterday. Guess I'll clear out some tech in Takapuna.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

fong posted:

Nah this is the argument that gets trotted out all the time and it's bs. Increased density doesn't mean everyone will have to move into 20 sq meter apartments. It just means a 2 storey height restriction in an inner city suburb is ridiculous.

This is true, if you are building up, you got to get high. I am for intensification, but if the minimum standard is a poo poo box, we aren't any better off.

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

Binkenstein posted:

To divert the conversation a little, anyone else find it a bit hypocritical that the Aussies are complaining about the NZ crowd being "too abusive" after they a) had 2 players fined during the last test for being aggressive towards an umpire & b) are ok with sledging the Black Caps because they're "too nice"?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/77277090/david-warner-opens-up-on-derogatory-and-vulgar-crowd-abuse-in-new-zealand

It is a bit rich of them. Especially Warner who punched one of the English players a couple of years back. The Aussie crowds have always been hostile to any touring side. Also I was at the game on Monday and there were two groups in the crowd who were a bit unruly. One was a large group of Australians near the main building. The second was a group of drunk Irish but they mainly gave poo poo to the other fans.
I think it is back to the classic story of the Aussies can dish it but go crying to the media/umpire/mama if they ever need to take it.

Jacobin
Feb 1, 2013

by exmarx
Part of what strikes out at me is just little wealthy other than the home some people have.

There is so little distributed capital other than that for that generation in Auckland.

SuperiorColliculus
Oct 31, 2011

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11595631

What in the gently caress?

"Leader David Seymour, who as a child was a member of the Kiwi Conservation Club and successfully campaigned for aluminium recycling at Whangarei's Maunu Primary, said it irked him that Act's environmental credentials weren't better recognised."

""I'm not going to announce that we should scrap DoC, but certainly I am going to announce that I have come to the conclusion that we should offer more support to private initiatives."

"The Act leader's address will focus on what he says are the "four Ps" of free-market environmentalism - pricing, property rights, prosperity, and private initiative.

"The worst environmental disasters occurred in the Soviet Union, basically because there is nobody who owns property saying, 'Hey, if you pollute this you are going to devalue my property,'" Mr Seymour told the Herald."



My personal favourite quote:

Sir Roger Douglas' cutting of subsidies for the agricultural sector in the 1980s led to a huge drop in the use of fertiliser, which had been heavily subsidised and polluted waterways, Mr Seymour said, and former Act leader Rodney Hide had a masters in environmental science.

Yeah, you can see how successful this was, since all of our waterways are now clean and....oh.


The kicker: "African countries generally can't afford to do things like that, and they generally have people running around with cheap AK-47s shooting majestic creatures like rhinos and elephants."

The irony is that these "people" that are shooting "majestic creatures" are almost invariably big-spending white big game hunters, and they can do this because the free market, basically.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/77284979/Clutha-Southland-MP-Todd-Barclays-senior-staffer-resigns

quote:

Clutha-Southland MP Todd Barclay's senior electorate agent Glenys Dickson has resigned, with a party official saying there was an "employment problem" between the pair.

Dickson, 67, resigned on February 9.

National Party Gore branch secretary Maeva Smith would only confirm there had been an employment problem between Barclay and Dickson."She has done a very good job and been an absolute star for all these years and we are very upset about what's happened. The members of the party are dealing with the problem and that's all I can say at the moment."

Dickson was former Clutha-Southland MP Bill English's electorate agent from 1998 until 2014 and had been working in the same role for Barclay until her resignation.

She garnered a reputation for getting results for people in the electorate when they asked her for assistance.

Her departure is understood to have caused disquiet among many people involved in the Clutha-Southland National Party ranks.

Dickson, when contacted on Thursday, confirmed her resignation but declined to reveal the circumstances surrounding it, citing a confidentiality clause.

She had enjoyed her role during the past 18 years, which was to give assistance to people in the electorate, whether it be dealing with government departments or other issues.

"I really enjoyed helping people, that was the best part of it, having good outcomes."

Barclay, 25, said he could not discuss Dickson's resignation as it was an employment matter.

National Party Clutha-Southland electorate chairman Stuart Davie said people were unhappy about Dickson leaving, "but at the end of the day the circumstances around that are confidential".

The Clutha-Southland National Party executive was not investigating, he said.

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Binkenstein
Jan 18, 2010

Lobsterpillar posted:

I've noticed that there is a tendency for landowners to refer to themselves as 'ratepayers' and therefore they think they have more of a say in things the local and regional government does, because they pay rates. They think that democracy means democracy of the landed gentry only, which of course makes it... not democracy.

They're completely wrong, because anybody who lives in a house and pays rent pays rates, because they pay rent to the landlord, who in turn pays the rates on their behalf.

This is partially why I think that the Rates system should be scrapped in favour of a secondary payroll tax. The rates for my flat are 11% of the rent I pay, but I have less of a quote unquote right to complain about this stuff because I'm not the one actually paying the rates. It's just like this stupid thing from Auckland recently: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/297438/homeowners-drown-out-other-voices

quote:

What's more, with house price escalation, our entire generation is being labelled "generation rent" while being forced to live further and further away from the city.
When Flora and I presented these concerns, we were met with mocking cries of "aww" and "poor thing" by some of the crowd.

Bushmaori
Mar 8, 2009

Ghostlight posted:

All I said was that Max Key was going to be DJing there this afternoon.

It was a bomb threat, not a threat of the bomb.

I'll see myself out.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
I just want to know what the Council were thinking. Did they seriously expect they wouldn't get a huge wave of complaints when they made wide ranging changes to Glendowie/St Heliers after consultation had closed? At some point you have to ask who thought it was a smart idea.

From living out this way, I know that a) a lot of the land is too contoured to develop high level stuff without massive cost anyway, and b) most people would be happy to sell what are still usually big sections to developers if rezoning adds value. But in saying that Tamaki Drive is at a standstill from 5pm to 7pm on weeknights/unusable on weekends, and there's already been pretty steep rates rises in the area. There's no rapid transport/bus lanes/anything in Glendowie either - there's one bus route to the city that gets stuck in the same traffic as everyone else. So yea, the idea that the area can handle any more density without investment to cope with the level it already has is laughable.

There's also the issue of 'what if the guy next to me builds up to max height and blocks my light/views' but that's an RMA issue and while you can't blame the Council for that (thanks, much-vaunted RMA reforms which would give a mechanism to deal with this stuff but National seems fundamentally unable to actually deliver!), they should have seen the question coming.

And the best part? Now there's no Council evidence, there'll probably be way way denser provisions laid out than they ended up with after consultation and no one will be able to do anything about it.

In short, we are all stupider for this experience and no one will learn from it. Life in the 'burbs, man.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

The problem is the apparent mentality that it's a simple silver bullet solution when it requires massive amounts of collective legislative change, as if one bandaid with a bit of antiseptic cream would suffice for a massive gaping gash.

But is there anything as Kiwi as chucking all the eggs in one basket, even if the basket is now an eggy mess that smells like poo poo?

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Vagabundo posted:

But is there anything as Kiwi as chucking all the eggs in one basket, even if the basket is now an eggy mess that smells like poo poo?

I'll have you know eggs are the backbone of this economy.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Legitimate RIP Ranginui Walker

http://www.maoritelevision.com/news/galleries/te-ao-maori-mourns-loss-esteemed-leader-dr-ranginui-walker

klen dool
May 7, 2007

Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.
Pfffffft I don't even know who that is

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


I wonder if the funeral will be open to the public

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

I imagine the tangi will go a proper five days, considering his status and influence.

Jacobin
Feb 1, 2013

by exmarx
RIP Ranginui seems like a mighty tree has fallen lots of people from different disciplines/backgrounds discussing him in my networks.


Also, doin us proud folks: http://www.democratsabroad.org/first_super_tuesday_results_americans_in_new_zealand_make_their_voice_heard

Dragonstoned
Jan 15, 2006

MR. DOG WITH BEES IN HIS MOUTH AND WHEN HE BARKS HE SHOOTS BEES AT YOU
by Roger Hargreaves

It all makes sense now..

Lobsterpillar
Feb 4, 2014
So I know next to nothing about the flag design panel because I didn't bother paying attention, but is there any reason they picked that horrible shade of blue?

Every time I look at the fern flag that shade of blue jumps out at me like a tacky logo for a real estate company.

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Lobsterpillar posted:

So I know next to nothing about the flag design panel because I didn't bother paying attention, but is there any reason they picked that horrible shade of blue?

Every time I look at the fern flag that shade of blue jumps out at me like a tacky logo for a real estate company.

What colour is the national party logo

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:

What colour is the national party logo

The same colour as your avatar?

National supporter spotted

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Wafflecopper posted:

The same colour as your avatar?

National supporter spotted

John Key seems like a good bloke to have a beer and legalise questionable police procedures with.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Lobsterpillar posted:

So I know next to nothing about the flag design panel because I didn't bother paying attention, but is there any reason they picked that horrible shade of blue?

Every time I look at the fern flag that shade of blue jumps out at me like a tacky logo for a real estate company.

kyle lockwood is a bad designer

Firstscion
Apr 11, 2008

Born Lucky

If you live in central Wellington I have despatched your referendum so you should get it in next couple of days. Also apparently John key is coming for a visit here tomorrow.

Pararoid
Dec 6, 2005

Te Waipounamu pride
Please let us roll higher than a 78 on at least one of these.. :comeback:

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Vagabundo posted:

Flag debate :toxx:

If we end up with a fern flag, 5 people in this thread will have a new avatar of said flag purchased by me.

Edit: I will get an avatar of Julie Christie as chosen by the thread as well.

Since we're on to phase two of this stupid loving referendum.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/kiwimeter-what-kind-of-kiwi-are-you.html




kind of interesting

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

I got Globalist as well.

newtestleper
Oct 30, 2003
I got globalist as well.

The symbols bit is hard - I'm sure I contradicted myself multiple times.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
I got Globalist.

Jesus, are we sure it's only 7%?

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

newtestleper posted:

The symbols bit is hard - I'm sure I contradicted myself multiple times.

Yeah wtf. Which is more/less kiwi, All Blacks or rugby. Queen or Union Jack. They're the same thing, christ.

I got globalist too.

WarpedNaba posted:

I got Globalist.

Jesus, are we sure it's only 7%?


For good or for ill, I don't think somethingawful.com nz politics posters are a very representative cross-section of nz society and/or tvnz.co.nz poll responders.

Wafflecopper fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Mar 3, 2016

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


Yeah, Globalist too. Got my referendum paper and voted to Keep, while shouting "gently caress you John" at the top of my lungs.

newtestleper
Oct 30, 2003

cptn_dr posted:

Yeah, Globalist too. Got my referendum paper and voted to Keep, while shouting "gently caress you John" at the top of my lungs.

This is such a terrible argument for not changing flags. It is the left that has politicized the flag debate. I would have loved to have seen what you would have been saying if Helen Clark had proposed the idea.

The Schwa
Jul 1, 2008

you can be mad at JK (and the whole process) and also think the Lockwood option is A Bad Flag

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


newtestleper posted:

This is such a terrible argument for not changing flags. It is the left that has politicized the flag debate. I would have loved to have seen what you would have been saying if Helen Clark had proposed the idea.

Much the same, really. I think the design is awful, a silver fern is equally colonial as the union jack, the colours are dull and uninspiring, and it's all around lovely.

And if you don't think a flag is political, well I don't know what to tell you buddy.

klen dool
May 7, 2007

Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.
gently caress me too, I got globalist. I am surprised that globalist is do strong in otago and Southland though fO_o

Smithersnz
May 10, 2005

We freaked out yesterday. Let's just freak in tonight
Soiled Meat
I got Egalitarian, I should probably stop posting.

klen dool
May 7, 2007

Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

Smithersnz posted:

I got Egalitarian, I should probably stop posting.

That was my next best fit!

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

newtestleper posted:

The symbols bit is hard - I'm sure I contradicted myself multiple times.

Same. Disappointed I got globalist and not a cool one like national socialist or something.

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Taitale
Feb 19, 2011

klen dool posted:

gently caress me too, I got globalist. I am surprised that globalist is do strong in otago and Southland though fO_o

Dunedin students maybe?

And yeah, globalist too.

newtestleper posted:

This is such a terrible argument for not changing flags. It is the left that has politicized the flag debate. I would have loved to have seen what you would have been saying if Helen Clark had proposed the idea.

Feel this is relevant. http://publicaddress.net/legalbeagle/the-flag-referendum-complicating-your-decision

quote:

On another note, I don’t know whether it is particular to New Zealanders, but we seem to have a tendency to try to make the word “political” do far too much. Any public vote is a political matter. The flag is a political. But New Zealanders often use the word “political”, when they really mean “partisan”. I disagree, but there is a reasonable argument that it shouldn’t be a partisan matter.

If your sole reason for voting one way or the other in the referendum is your view of John Key, then I have no problem with that. My view is that voters’ reasons are their own. Parties can choose to adopt positions on a range of issues, and they can be judged on those positions, or on the fact they even have an opinion, or on the fact they don’t.

But it is perfectly proper that others should feel differently, and consider it wrong that voters’ view on which flag they should vote for should have nothing to do with their views on a particular party or politician. It would be nice, however, if this criticism was made on the basis that the flag vote shouldn’t be a partisan matter. Of course it is political!

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