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Your admission of fault is pretty hollow, considering you've also posted - after that post I quoted - two, three? times about being "very confident about DW OHK" and "confirmed OVK" single rocket Winters kills despite mathematical and visual evidence to the contrary and zero from you. Burden of proof clearly puts the responsibility to post evidence of your claims on you: Do so! That might be valuable. It might lead to solving a bug for Overkill, or whatever. At least something good might come out of this lovely discussion. Semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit. Psion fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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Yeah, I slammed Winters with the RPG after setting him on fire, he didn't retreat
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Someone said cool gun skins? I'll give ya gun skins. Big Spender - bad, boost Ausome - bad Cosmonaut - mint Victim Shower - poo poo Xmas Noir - mint Shaka - mint Fair Warning - bad Longhorn - mint Beta-2 - mint Tiger Hazard - mintI got more skins, but not enough game cash for the weapons 
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Discendo Vox posted:Randomizing Winters locations is plausible on some maps more than others. I was one of the people advocating for this idea before it was implemented in Counterfeit. I think it's come up a few times in previous Winters discussions, but what would help fix some of these problems/limitations would also be to introduce more than one type of Captain. That way if you wanted to soft-nerf the RPG, you could always have a Super Bulldozer captain that was 100% immune to explosives by design, or a Super Cloaker that was just so speedy that projectile weapons were a pain to actually successfully land. (You don't even need a Super Taser to punish someone holding an RPG.  )
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Yeah, that's happened. I remember a lot of ideas getting bounced around on the idea of a Super Dozer or Super Taser or whatever, continuing on the theme that Winters is a Super Shield and other Captains could be different super specials. a super cloaker, though 
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A squad of super Cloakers who have 10,000 health and a 0.1x damage multiplier. Cannot be stunned in any way and makes no noise.
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UnknownMercenary posted:A squad of super Cloakers who have 10,000 health and a 0.1x damage multiplier. Cannot be stunned in any way and makes no noise. and this would be different from your average latency-induced cloaker bullshit how? I mean, what good is hearing them when poo poo like this happens? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W_wv2Ii55g
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For the Super Cloaker, I'm imagining stuff like: Hide and Seek (Like Winters drawing you back to the front of a map, but with more varied and dickish spawn/hiding spots.) Chase (Even if you track down the Super Cloaker, he can pop a flashbang and take off running to another spot. Ultimately another trick to force players out of position.) Tower Defense (Disrupt all four Super Cloaker operatives from reaching a certain position or Very Bad Things happen. Ala the tear gas deployments on Trustee Bank or Undercover.) Or...ooh. Elite Cloakers that don't make noise themselves, but place decoy radio transmitters near their hiding spots that do. So you still get tipped off to their presence, but you can't know exactly where they are by sound alone. Or mix them all together. One Super Cloaker, playing hide and seek, but he also has three decoys planted. Smash the decoys to help isolate the real deal's location. Unsurprisingly, I'm thinking about ways for a Super Cloaker to be annoying that aren't just "appears out of nowhere and instantly downs you".
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I just want the Elite Cloaker to be The Boss from Metal Gear as far as execution and look. Also the cloakers don't need to be upgraded, they just need to be led and coordinated. Like they stop setting up ambush points all on their own and now hunt in packs like Wolf said all along. The Mother of all Cloakers is here and its gonna hurt.
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Captain Super Sniper uses a laser designator to call in airstrikes instead of a laser for aiming their rifle.
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I just remembered why one RPG top down attack might work on OVK, you're not killing Winters, you are killing his mates. Kill 7/10 and he buggers off regardless of his own health. Not sure of the maths since I never go down that rabbit hole but here is the statement regarding them. quote:Phalanx minion hp is 1500/3000/4000 on VH/OK/DW. The damage of a hit is clamped at 10% of the hp (150/300/400). Winters has twice the hitpoints, i.e. 3000/6000/8000 on VH/OK/DW, and the hit damage is again clamped at 10% (300/600/800). This clamping only affects weapon type bonuses and shield penetration. It occurs before any damage type bonuses (e.g. Spotter, headshot, crits), so damage type bonuses let you push the damage past the clamping. Explosives get a 6x damage multiplier, also applied after the clamping. Headshot/Crit multiplier is 3.75 on DW, else 5 (of course, with a perk deck, the actual headshot multiplier is also multiplied by 1.25). Of course things work differently in game as you can't use the numbers in a vacuum. Shot wasn't on target, shield geometry wasn't right. It got shot down, HP buff kicked in. Lag. Gkitched out. Host dis/advantage. No Super anything please. If I was to design a new enemy I would pick a GL using cop who switches between short lasting Tear gas and Stingers. The Tear gas is self explanatory, the Stinger would act like an explosive but does no damage as it uses rubber balls for sharpnal, instead it causes the melee knockback effect on the player. The only problem is that with the game being it is, it wouldn't work since instead of "shooting" it would just spawn a nade as it pleases like the flash bangs. It's L4D2 equivalent would be a boomer/spitter hybrid.
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Afraid of Audio posted:the cloaker captain will be called captain falls or i will have choice words with overkill And super dozer is Captain Springs because he's going to be doing some cleaning.
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oohhboy posted:I just remembered why one RPG top down attack might work on OVK, you're not killing Winters, you are killing his mates. Kill 7/10 and he buggers off regardless of his own health. Mathematically impossible. Maximum theoretical RPG damage against a phalanx shield is 2760 on DW and 2070 on OVK. It would, again, take two rockets. I don't put much stock in player testimonial, considering. That rumor about the lights on Rats affecting cook times still gets floated around places, and some players swear up and down it's true.
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You're right, I have "seen" it happen once, but no doubt there was something I didn't see happen or misremembering. It's why I never took a stand on it. Hehe, the Rats lights in a new one. Actually, if you have a PD2 Urban legend, share it. One that I heard quite a while ago until it finally died was the the Watch Dogs Coke in the Boat Vs party bagging it into the copter. It wasn't until one of you posted holding tab as the heist ended that I was sure it wasn't true.
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Yeah, I looked at the "kill enough of his minions and he leaves" math myself last night and Dr. Cheeto is correct. All the math which applies to Winters also applies to his phalanx minions, and because it's all based on a percentage of total health, it ends up being the same thing in practical terms. Now of course there's potential for bugs (in my Payday? Wow!) or weird latency poo poo, because there always is, but I think we all understand that. Personally, I chalk a lot of this up to bugs, confirmation bias, or both. Psion fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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oohhboy posted:Hehe, the Rats lights in a new one. Actually, if you have a PD2 Urban legend, share it. One that I heard quite a while ago until it finally died was the the Watch Dogs Coke in the Boat Vs party bagging it into the copter. It wasn't until one of you posted holding tab as the heist ended that I was sure it wasn't true. IIRC the rumor goes that if you manage to keep the lights on during Rats day 1, the cook progresses faster. It's got no real basis ingame but it's a good way to get gullible players to run out and toggle fuseboxes.
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It's just teaching them that the correct way to play Rats isn't to hole up in the house, it's to spawncamp every enemy spawn out in the yard not giving a single gently caress because health regen perk decks. The only person who should be in the house is the inevitable jerk with a sniper rifle (note: this is usually me) who tops the scoreboard for numbers of specials killed by wiping them out as they spawn behind the back fence/on the cliffs for the entire duration of the day. Really, that rumor has a lot of benefits if you think about it, despite being wrong! e: the watchdogs rumor I heard was that carrying out bags didn't count at all because Bain's line is AGH WE LOST COKE WAHGHFHG I NEED COKE TO LIIIIIIIIIIVE but you actually do get credit for them. I don't know if that's the same rumor, but it's one I heard. Psion fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Mar 1, 2016 |
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I'm kind of curious what you mean by the Watchdogs boat vs. helo. My understanding is that bags on your back during the escape will count towards your cash, but won't count towards XP. What was the rumor going around?
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Dr Cheeto posted:I'm kind of curious what you mean by the Watchdogs boat vs. helo. My understanding is that bags on your back during the escape will count towards your cash, but won't count towards XP. What was the rumor going around? Pretty sure this was a rumor from back before XP rebalances. Bain would always whine about losing coke if you packed some out on your back, but the end-of-day calculations would show credit for all bags. Consequently, it was more efficient to take the last four bags out on your back, but people were afraid to do so because of Bain's lines. Now, I believe things are as you describe. If you want the XP, put the bags in the boat.
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Discendo Vox posted:Well there must be something wrong with the calculation then, because 1 rocket definitely sends Winters running, even after he's set up shop for a time on overkill. I can confirm that one, well placed RPG that hits Winters directly will knock him and his goons down to the point that he will retreat.
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Here's an idea, upgrade the AI to be less stupid instead of having all the cops have damage/accuracy buffs. I think they hinted at doing that with the FBI files but who knows if they'll ever implement it. Stuff like shield phalanxes, tazers teaming up with cloakers, cops using smoke/flashbangs as they breach as a team instead of at random, snipers that wait to make their presence known untill you're busy with something else.That could be real nasty even on Overkill. Of course that would probably require tweaking spawn tables, map nodes, and who knows how many things that get referenced for the AI.
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IndianaZoidberg posted:I can confirm that one, well placed RPG that hits Winters directly will knock him and his goons down to the point that he will retreat. So you've got a video, then? And can explain how to reliably reproduce that outcome? I really don't think I'm asking for a lot, here.
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Psion posted:And then sometimes, there's this I unboxed mint ones, which definitely look nicer but still eh. Not fond of the Goat skins as a whole but they seem pretty popular with most.  I think it's really funny that this is basically a copy of a CSGO skin.  It's obscured here, but the pattern on the receiver is also repeated on the barrel extension.  I like these ones a lot; nice and simple patterns. Again, these are early skins from event safes.   A mint Fair Warning is just fantastic.  Color scheme is nice; reminds of the Asiimov skins from CSGO. I don't mind not seeing the goat except upon inspection. 
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Afraid of Audio posted:the cloaker captain will be called captain falls or i will have choice words with overkill
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Afraid of Audio posted:the cloaker captain will be called captain falls or i will have choice words with overkill Captain fellas
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Concordat posted:Here's an idea, upgrade the AI to be less stupid instead of having all the cops have damage/accuracy buffs. They do have "spawn groups" of enemies who spawn together, so there's the taser/blues team of stunning you and then murdering you, but some more careful spawn logic could do some interesting stuff for difficulty, I agree. Some of the solutions are even simpler - if you haven't tried INH's Gensec on Overkill mod, I really suggest it. It makes a surprisingly big difference spawning in greys and skulls on Overkill. It's not too much harder, but it's noticeable, and it's pretty cool for people who sleep through Overkill on a routine basis (aka 90% of this thread) Fellis posted:Captain fellas you want it to be Captain Fellis, admit it
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As a goon pointed out, a lot of the Goat skins look like something that came out of the Nerf factory.
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Psion posted:They do have "spawn groups" of enemies who spawn together, so there's the taser/blues team of stunning you and then murdering you, but some more careful spawn logic could do some interesting stuff for difficulty, I agree. I suspect the reason why Tasers and blues spawn together is to teach players the differences between the two models. The fact that blues hit really hard is probably just a nice side effect.
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Psion posted:you want it to be Captain Fellis, admit it yes that's what i said captain fellas can't you tell my swedish accent I was trying to find a clip of bain saying fellas but i already scrubbed through this quote vid once without finding it ugh
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Posted this in the weird fanart thread, might as well do that here too
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Some more poo poo Gold Vein - mint (comes with these customizations) Evergreen - mint Wave Snake - mint (thanks unknownmerc) Chikara - mint Mega Wolf, Mushroom Cloud material, Palm Trees pattern, red/red THAT'S A WAR FACE!, mushroom cloud, Yggdrasil, red/blue For some reason, it still counted me as in casing mode for BoS
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That Valkyria skin is Wave Snake from the Bodhi safe.
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I want this gun in Payday, the P90's Papa, the Hill H15 made at prototypes back in the 1950s. It even has different variants so you can gun porn it. http://www.historicalfirearms.info/post/131708571508/hill-submachine-gun-developed-by-engineer-and
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Always boggles my mind watching some pubbies play, and how much time they spend doing absolutely nothing. Really, just cause you're moving a bag doesn't mean you should stop shooting cops.oohhboy posted:I want this gun in Payday, the P90's Papa, the Hill H15 made at prototypes back in the 1950s. It even has different variants so you can gun porn it. I always wondered why the P90 had the rotation take place in the magazine instead of the gun itself, looks like the reason is because someone else patented it. I guess they might also make more money selling complicated magazines for their proprietary .22 magnum cartridge. Concordat fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Mar 2, 2016 |
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Historicalfirearms.info has an app
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A Historical Prototypes pack would be fantastic. All sorts of goofy poo poo nobody's ever heard of? Sign me UUUUUUUUP.
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