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Mar 1, 2016 23:35
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it's pretty cool that marco's strategy has gone from 3-2-1 to "let's cause a contested convention"
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Mar 1, 2016 23:35
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The information is trickling out pretty slowly. Have another drop: https://twitter.com/amaxsmith/status/704796455848923136 https://twitter.com/amaxsmith/status/704795834764783617
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Mar 1, 2016 23:35
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Slate Action posted:The information is trickling out pretty slowly. Have another drop: It's kinda nice we have 2 experienced people running instead of the retarded clowns in the GOP primary. Nothing but freshman senators and Trump lol.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:36
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That political experience question is so loving stupid.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:36
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Typical Pubbie posted:That political experience question is so loving stupid. Why?
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Mar 1, 2016 23:37
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I want to know what people who don't want it more liberal than Obama want exactly.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:37
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Continue Obama's policies vs. more liberal though is a pretty solid clinton/sanders proxy.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:38
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Typical Pubbie posted:That political experience question is so loving stupid. Wanting an experienced candidate is a good thing. It's almost like the dem base would be happy with Hillary or Bernie.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:38
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Oil of Paris posted:Why? Because the only two viable candidates each have decades of political experience.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:38
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poty posted:Bernie has political experience. Hasn't he been a senator for the last 50 years? Bernie Sanders: -Mayor of Burlington, VT (1981-1989) -U.S. Representative (1991-2007) -U.S. Senator (2007-present) Hillary Clinton: -First Lady of Arkansas (1979-1981, 1983-1992) -First Lady of the U.S. (1993-2001) -U.S. Senator (2001-2009) -Secretary of State (2009-2013)
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Mar 1, 2016 23:38
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Fox news coming back from commercial to bon jovi, then plays clip of Gingrich sounding giddy about trump
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Mar 1, 2016 23:39
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evilweasel posted:Continue Obama's policies vs. more liberal though is a pretty solid clinton/sanders proxy. If you take it as an exact proxy then the result is Clinton +22, whereas the RCP average for the Dem VA race was.... Clinton +21.5.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:40
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Typical Pubbie posted:Because the only two viable candidates each have decades of political experience. I think it's a good question, especially if it can be compared to the responses to a similar republican question.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:40
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e: beatenevilweasel posted:Continue Obama's policies vs. more liberal though is a pretty solid clinton/sanders proxy. 56 to 34 is right on the money for the RCP polling average as well 
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Mar 1, 2016 23:40
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Hannity talking about exit polls: Alabama - Trump Georgia - Trump Tennessee - Trump Arkansas - Trump/Cruz? Oklahoma - Trump/Cruz Virginia - Rubio and Trump are fighting it out - could be close. They are saying WATCH for Northern Virginia. VT - Trump/Kasich fighting it out Texas - Cruz running away with it.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:41
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Vermont Democratic Black vote is 1% according to exit polls 
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Mar 1, 2016 23:42
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:That is not what that says. “The court-ordered discovery will help determine why the State Department and Mrs. Clinton, even despite receiving numerous FOIA requests, kept the record system secret for years,” Fitton said. “While Mrs. Clinton’s testimony may not be required initially, it may happen that her testimony is necessary for the Court to resolve the legal issues about her unprecedented email practices.” Yeah, the other stuff I said after providing the source is different and is related to the nature of the violations being investigated, and is not related to the article I sourced. Venom Snake posted:Of which there is no proof yet. This the exact same ANYDAY NOW stuff we got during Bengazhi when THIS was FINALLY the investigation, subpoena, ect that would reveal the truth and bring her down. Funny enough it made her more popular. Also, from that article about the judge's order: "Sullivan’s decision will almost certainly extend through Election Day an inquiry that has dogged Clinton’s campaign, frustrating allies and providing fodder to Republican opponents." You may just think it's all bullshit but even if so, having an ongoing federal investigation looming throughout the entire election cycle seems like a fairly bad thing, to me. The FBI is on this, not just Republican party hacks.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:42
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Schnorkles posted:Marco's campaign is really grasping at any straw they can right now. It's really interesting to me that he's acting this desperate, honestly. There's no particular reason why losing the nomination - especially in this insane election, of all elections - would be the end of the world for him. He's young, he's got plenty of time. Is it insecurity? Or a push from backers who want Rubio to try something, anything to stop Trump? Or something else? It seems like this kind of clowning could seriously damage him for any future elections (e.g. Florida governor in '18). But if the GOP really does become the Party of Trump, I guess that kind of attitude could be a plus?
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Mar 1, 2016 23:42
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Venom Snake posted:Can this be the nail in the coffin for all the bullshit that Dems would cross over to vote Trump, the candidate with 0 political experience. 20% is still a significant chunk, and even 1-2% of Democrats switching over would have a huge effect on results
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Mar 1, 2016 23:43
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Make American Samoa Great Again
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Mar 1, 2016 23:45
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Montasque posted:Hannity talking about exit polls: This is super significant, actually. If no single candidate universally gets 2nd to Trump, tonight is going to be an absolute shitshow. Rubio scoring a 1st and a whole bunch of thirds is maybe even worse than solid 2nds across the board.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:45
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https://twitter.com/vtcraghead/status/704730376359567361
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Mar 1, 2016 23:45
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Brannock posted:20% is still a significant chunk, and even 1-2% of Democrats switching over would have a huge effect on results Everything points towards Trump having no cross appeal and him actually motivating dems to vote more, so I don't see how this would happen. And even if whites did break harder the minority vote would crush that.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:45
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Montasque posted:VT - Trump/Kasich fighting it out Fight the darkness 
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Mar 1, 2016 23:46
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Pinterest Mom posted:Fight the darkness Stannis gonna win it!? 
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Mar 1, 2016 23:47
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I had no idea about this Democrats Abroad thing when I filled out the form from my most recently resided in state to send me a ballot here in Japan. There was a check box if I wanted a primary ballot too and I checked that, but that's all. I wonder if I screwed up...
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Mar 1, 2016 23:47
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Bernie White? Checks out.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:47
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Mar 1, 2016 23:47
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Zen Dudeism posted:Hillary, addressing the concerns of a Somali-American this morning over coffee: http://freebeacon.com/politics/clinton-confronted-voter-thinks-record-shows-she-doesnt-care-african-americans/ I have to admit to a little bit of sick satisfaction that Hillary is getting pointlessly trolled by black people the same way Bernie was.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:49
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Lol, Bernie was wise to do that big donation push before Super Tuesday, because he's gonna get smacked the gently caress down today
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Mar 1, 2016 23:49
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Joementum posted:De La Fuente Guerramentum Who is that Rocky guy and how did he get on the ballot in so many states?
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Mar 1, 2016 23:50
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Fast Luck posted:Lol, Bernie was wise to do that big donation push before Super Tuesday, because he's gonna get smacked the gently caress down today thats not far off from how NH and Iowa polled on that same question iirc
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Mar 1, 2016 23:53
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berserker posted:Nah man not with our first-past-the-post system. That's gotta change first. Until that happens, if you wanna do good and feel good with regards to voting for those who are closest to your policy ideals, do it downticket. That's the best way to get a 3rd party more viable anyway, through bottom up growth at the state and municipal level. But when it comes to President, and especially this election season re: SCOTUS appointments, voting third party going to accomplish nothing but being a spoiler to one of the two parties. You can do all those things at the same time. Nothing's ever going to change about our FPTP system unless there's some huge seismic shift in the way politics works in this country. You're basically just waiting passively for the current system to fail so badly that the elites are finally forced to reform the system in order to prevent even worse consequences to themselves. How do you think that's going to happen? What do you think that's going to look like? Your argument that voting third party will lead to disastrous consequences in the near-term fails to account for the fact that every cycle spent perpetuating the current system is guaranteeing an even greater disaster sometime in the future. The FPTP system is only going to go away in one of two ways: 1) Enough people stop using the lesser-of-two-evils argument to prop up the current system and start simply voting for the candidates who best represent them, disrupting the system peacefully in a movement that builds momentum gradually as voting third party in protest becomes more and more normalized. 2) A sudden, severe societal crisis shocks the elites into changing the system. Personally, I'd prefer the first option. I find the bottom up growth strategy unconvincing in isolation, because a grassroots party may start out anti-FPTP but gradually become corrupted as it gains in power and actually stands to benefit from the FPTP system, or else it may become directly co-opted by one of the two major entrenched parties. If the system hasn't already been disrupted at the top in a national mass movement, then any grassroots effort may be inevitably doomed to fail anyway.All these arguments against voting third party are ultimately predicated on the notion that the change will come automatically someday, without anyone ever actually doing anything that might ever have any kind of measurable effect. None of us really knows which strategy is better for society in the long-term. Everyone on the lesser-of-two-evils train is constantly thinking in terms of single upcoming elections, and every single one of those elections is always the most important election ever that we absolutely can't afford to lose, lest untold numbers of people suffer horribly and die. Hey, maybe the reason every single election ever is like that is because everyone keeps voting for the lesser of two evils, rather than the candidate who isn't even evil in the first place?
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Mar 1, 2016 23:53
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Venom Snake posted:Bernie White? Checks out. Maybe at your country club. Certainly not at mine though.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:53
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Pinterest Mom posted:Fight the darkness That slogan will end up on a recruitment poster for trump's goldshirts.
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Mar 1, 2016 23:54
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Cnut the Great posted:None of us really knows which strategy is better for society in the long-term. Everyone on the lesser-of-two-evils train is constantly thinking in terms of single upcoming elections, and every single one of those elections is always the most important election ever that we absolutely can't afford to lose, lest untold numbers of people suffer horribly and die. Hey, maybe the reason every single election ever is like that is because everyone keeps voting for the lesser of two evils, rather than the candidate who isn't even evil in the first place?
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Mar 1, 2016 23:54
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it really sucks that hillary killed biden's son I would have loved to see the havoc diamond joe would have brought
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Mar 1, 2016 23:56
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 Is Vermont voting for Hillary Clinton?
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evilweasel posted:Continue Obama's policies vs. more liberal though is a pretty solid clinton/sanders proxy. Yep
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