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GirlCalledBob posted:Speaking of predictable, we all saw this obvious cliffhanger coming and yet I'm still disappointed, game. Really? You couldn't just let it go? Honestly, they kind of had to have it happen given how Arkham City and HQR went, especially since Scarecrow is the main villain. But we can discuss actual execution of his appearance as we go along.
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KozmoNaut posted:Oh, it's much worse than that. We're about to start a twelve-hour-long "play as the Joker" segment, aren't we? Where Batman thinks he is the Joker and has all these violent urges to just shoot loving everyone.
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Mar 4, 2016 21:36
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anilEhilated posted:She has all her computers here. Actually now I think about it, it seems like Oracle seems a lot younger than she was portayed in Asylum/City. She seems a lot closer to her appearance in Origins. GirlCalledBob posted:I genuinely thought she'd evacuated and that was why they show the little bit with her dad calling her, and then of course she's still in touch with Batman over Bat Hologram. So yeah, when I saw she was still in the city... I really, really saw this coming. It sucks that the game is being so predictable so far. I've got my fingers crossed Oracle will show up in a Bat-exoskeleton having smacked the poo poo out of the goons sent to grab her.
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Mar 4, 2016 21:45
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"Hey Bruce, since you have other batcaves , can I have a couple hundred mill-" "No." *Batclaws out window* "You know me and Dick had to save our allowances for our gear?"
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Mar 4, 2016 22:02
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Yvonmukluk posted:I've got my fingers crossed Oracle will show up in a Bat-exoskeleton having smacked the poo poo out of the goons sent to grab her. Oracle is the Arkham Knight, getting revenge on Batman for that time he installed Bonzi Buddy on her systems.
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Mar 4, 2016 22:02
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Yvonmukluk posted:You're telling me the Batfamily doesn't have enough money for a backup operations centre for Oracle, probably the lynchpin of his support staff? TooMuchAbstraction posted:Oracle is the Arkham Knight, getting revenge on Batman for that time he installed Bonzi Buddy on her systems. Plus we all know that most of his villains are goons at heart. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Mar 4, 2016 |
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Mar 4, 2016 22:13
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Despite being the World's Greatest Detective, Batman doesn't have a lot of book smarts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVRXMXfbDE0
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Mar 4, 2016 22:17
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Honestly, they kind of had to have it happen given how Arkham City and HQR went, especially since Scarecrow is the main villain. I don't really hate the concept of the Joker showing up in a few fear gas sections or whatever, it just feels so obvious it's kind of coming off as lazy to me, really. It would have been much cooler to just do a Batman story where Joker doesn't come up, or at least hold off a little longer before pulling this. Build Scarecrow up as the real main player here, establish what other villains are doing to back him, have some more setup with what's going on with the Knight, and then maybe throw in a little Joker at a big act two climax to really mess with Batman's head. Especially coming off of Origins as well, where Joker got a stranglehold on the plot that really outstayed its welcome and shoved other characters and plotlines aside, this just feels way too early to be shoving him in again. I knew he was coming, but it happening so early is what I find disappointing. You're right though, just because it's the obvious setup it doesn't make it terrible. Though I suspect the game may very well still manage to make it terrible, we shall have to see. Though to be fair, the 'blast radius increased by one thousand percent' fear gas lead in was pretty subtle and clever, coming from this game. The long drawn out sequence where you're forced to go slow and Alfred is pleading for you to get out while sad music plays was a little forced though.
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Mar 4, 2016 23:46
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I'm going to just kind of hope against hope here that Barbara has NOT been kidnapped, but rather Scarecrow was taking advantage of the fear gas to gently caress with Batman by saying that someone will die.
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Mar 5, 2016 03:45
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I am excited for the Spec Ops: The Line esque twist where it turns out Batman was dead the whole time and we've been playing as the Joker all along.
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Mar 5, 2016 03:54
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'sup Joker fear gas hallucination, how is it going? On one hand, I like this sequence, until now. Bat's worst fears? Barbara getting kidnapped and Alfred telling him to abandon Gotham and save his skin. On the other hand, Bats fearing the Joker? Every single time he was exposed to the toxin in Asylum he fought it off, to the point Scarecrow was actually scared. Bats doesn't fear villains, that's like half the point of Batman.
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Mar 5, 2016 05:31
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Oh boy Joker's here! We're going this direction huh? Interesting. Well, can't wait till Talia shows up and forces him to confront how he failed to save her from his most well-known villain and how he should've been so much better than this.
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Mar 5, 2016 05:35
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This game's animation is almost unnervingly smooth. It makes watching Scruffy beat up thugs a delight though.  And now we have to worry about the Terrans from trying to kill batman.
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Omobono posted:On the other hand, Bats fearing the Joker? Every single time he was exposed to the toxin in Asylum he fought it off, to the point Scarecrow was actually scared. Bats doesn't fear villains, that's like half the point of Batman. He doesn't fear the Joker, there's something... different going on. It requires you to accept one pretty dumb leap of scientific logic but as long as you're willing to do that we're getting one last good performance out of Hammil. Kurieg fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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Mar 5, 2016 06:27
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Kurieg posted:He doesn't fear the Joker, there's something... different going on. It requires you to accept one pretty dumb leap of scientific logic but as long as you're willing to do that we're getting one last good performance out of Hammil. It is worth noting, now that we've seen him, yes, Mark Hammil does voice the Joker in this as opposed to Origins' Troy Baker. While Baker did an excellent job at voicing him in Origins (we've all discussed the Joker problems that game had to death), Hammil is really the one and only. Personally, I like what they do with Joker in this one. It will be explained why, but he's handled much better than Origins Joker and in my opinion, better than Arkham City Joker. Please note that the above opinions are coming from someone who hasn't played more than maybe a third of the game total.
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Mar 5, 2016 08:02
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Omobono posted:'sup Joker fear gas hallucination, how is it going?
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Tilt the mouse to dodge Joker's shot.citybeatnik posted:I'm going to just kind of hope against hope here that Barbara has NOT been kidnapped, but rather Scarecrow was taking advantage of the fear gas to gently caress with Batman by saying that someone will die. Or, Batman just blurted out something about Barbara Gordon while under the effects of the gas, which gives Scarecrow and Arkham Knight some new leverage they didn't actually have before.
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citybeatnik posted:I... actually hadn't clicked on that being a fear of his. I really do hope that is what is going on. Well, my head just exploded. 10/10, would scare crow again.
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Mar 5, 2016 09:16
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IMJack posted:Tilt the mouse to dodge Joker's shot. He's playing on PS4, he has to use the middle stick.
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Gatac posted:He's playing on PS4, he has to use the middle stick. Press E to Takedown Joker.
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RareAcumen posted:Press E to Takedown Joker. Beating the poo poo out of Joker in 1-on-1 fisticuffs in the Arkham City combo challenge map is probably one of my favorite parts of that game. He takes so many punches before he finally stays down, too!
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Mar 5, 2016 10:11
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Pretty sure if you turn on detective mode that's Clayface. Might be wrong though.
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CJacobs posted:Beating the poo poo out of Joker in 1-on-1 fisticuffs in the Arkham City combo challenge map is probably one of my favorite parts of that game. He takes so many punches before he finally stays down, too! I will have a few words to say about this game later but I'm a big fan of all the work they put into the ragdolls so far. They're excellent. That and the fact that you can just keep beating up people while they're on the ground and knock them out that way. Also throwing people is finally back again!
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Lord_Magmar posted:Pretty sure if you turn on detective mode that's Clayface. Might be wrong though. I have never turned on detective mode in that challenge arena just because I am so steadfast in the belief that my fists are going into the real Joker's smug face. He deserves a good whappin', dammit.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Pretty sure if you turn on detective mode that's Clayface. Might be wrong though. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Mar 5, 2016 |
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Discendo Vox posted:
yesssssss
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Omobono posted:On one hand, I like this sequence, until now. Bat's worst fears? Barbara getting kidnapped and Alfred telling him to abandon Gotham and save his skin. Eh, I think the real Alfred would actually tell him to do that. Bruce is effectively his son. And the wiki's wrong if it thinks the Joker in the funhouse fight is the real Joker. He's still sick at that point, that's Clayface and if you detective vision him, he's got no bones. Edit - Oh wait, challenge map? Yeah I don't know, that could be whoever.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuiO-UuPRU I was talking about this map. Incidentally this video is insane and you should watch some of it. Perhaps not all of it though, because he managed to extend the 3 minute timer over and over for 22 minutes.
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I do appreciate that scarecrow is given his due in AK, at least. He's easily one of my favorite batman villains and he's shown to be very competent and dangerous almost immediately. Except for the constant evil villain speeches but whatever
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Grapplejack posted:I do appreciate that scarecrow is given his due in AK, at least. He's easily one of my favorite batman villains and he's shown to be very competent and dangerous almost immediately. Scarecrow is pretty well-known for being a talker, though. Sort of comes with the territory of being an evil shrink.
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Okay - just dropping Scarecrow on the ground and turning your back on him to check up on Barbara - that was stupid, Bats. You could've at least held him on the ground with your boot or something!  ... Also, is it just me, or is the new cowl a liiitle bit too tight? Batman's face seem to bulge forward in rather uncomfortable way.
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Polaron posted:Scarecrow is pretty well-known for being a talker, though. Sort of comes with the territory of being an evil shrink. Scarecrow deconstructing Batman/other heroes with Evil Persuasive Shrink Talk is extremely my poo poo and I am really looking forward to this LP because this game has a goddamn lot of it. edit: My favorite brand of "Evil Persuasive Shrink Talk" is the rarest kind where the villain's not just bullshitting, and when they say the thing the hero's like "no... it's not like that." but the look on their face belies that actually... it is like that.
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CJacobs posted:Scarecrow deconstructing Batman/other heroes with Evil Persuasive Shrink Talk is extremely my poo poo and I am really looking forward to this LP because this game has a goddamn lot of it. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYMBwqtMht0
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I just remember audibly groaning when I got to this point in the game. After 3 games, I'd just had enough of that guy. Hallucination or not.
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Jeez, they're not kidding when they say Batman's writers make him too OP. Even when Batman loses, Batman STILL wins  ...
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Fionordequester posted:Jeez, they're not kidding when they say Batman's writers make him too OP. Even when Batman loses, Batman STILL wins I know you say that as a joke, but Justice League Batman loses and still ends up winning there.  Also, I can't believe Justice Lord Batman isn't a suit in any of these games!
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Another Batman VS Batman clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z65aq1EVGhs Also YES at Adam West suit in DCAU style. Also this game should have had a VS Dracula DLC.
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My favorite batman vs batman w/batman bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PETk8eBbfN0
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SonicRulez posted:I just remember audibly groaning when I got to this point in the game. After 3 games, I'd just had enough of that guy. Hallucination or not.
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anilEhilated posted:I thought so too, but this game actually mostly uses him pretty well (unlike Origins where he pretty much destroys the story). I think that's because whoever wrote Origin's Joker fundamentally misunderstood the way the joker worked in The Dark Knight. Ledger's joker really didn't care about Batman specifically, he wanted to prove that everyone was scum, that deep down everyone was corruptable, and if he managed to bring Batman down to his level it would plunge Gotham into chaos. You got a sense that the Joker existed prior to Batman and would have gone on doing poo poo after him. But Origin's Joker seemed to congeal fully formed around one idea "I will get Batman to kill someone." and then forced the plot to also revolve around that point.
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