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Can we just agree to disagree? I understand that tumblr is exploding over this, and that it sucks, etc. I don't think we're going to be going over any new ground if we just keep arguing about it. The Commander is dead, long live the Commander.
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Mar 7, 2016 02:56
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Monicro posted:i probably shouldn't but ngl im really enjoying the way this episode threw this thread into total anarchy Me too Monibro, me too. Just as I knew it would. Been waiting since she was cast in FTWD for Lexa to die and bring me comedy gold.
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Mar 7, 2016 02:58
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hollylolly posted:Can we just agree to disagree? I understand that tumblr is exploding over this, and that it sucks, etc. I don't think we're going to be going over any new ground if we just keep arguing about it. i just hate it when people bring tumblr drama here
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Mar 7, 2016 02:58
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zoux posted:I don't think you can. No, the problem is my post said "y'all are missing the forest for the trees" and you followed it up with "POINT AT A BIRCH TREE"
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Mar 7, 2016 02:59
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Monicro posted:No, the problem is my post said "y'all are missing the forest for the trees" and you followed it up with "POINT AT A BIRCH TREE" C'mon this should be easy, name just one.
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Mar 7, 2016 03:02
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Monicro posted:i probably shouldn't but ngl im really enjoying the way this episode threw this thread into total anarchy I wouldn't say it's anarchy since most people are being pretty reasonable about it.
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Mar 7, 2016 03:02
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The Commander had to die for the season arc, obviously. Therefore the mistake was making her gay.
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Mar 7, 2016 03:10
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zoux posted:C'mon this should be easy, name just one. I'm not very inclined to considering how blatantly you're arguing in bad faith so I'll just quote these posts again and then take hollylolly's advice and bow out of this The Iron Rose posted:Also you guys seemed to have missed the memo that it doesn't matter if tropes are individually justified in a work or not, the problem is they happen on such a wide scale The Iron Rose posted:Lexa's death isn't problematic if you're only considering the context of the show and nothing else(though the fact it happened 1 scene after sex is kinda gross). It becomes problematic in the context of lesbians getting killed off all the time. Monicro fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Mar 7, 2016 |
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Mar 7, 2016 03:10
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Aphrodite posted:The Commander had to die for the season arc, obviously. Truly. We need less gay people in shows so we don't offend anybody when their storylines finish or their actors leave the show imo. I like our logic tbh
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Mar 7, 2016 03:12
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Monicro posted:I'm not very inclined to considering how blatantly you're arguing in bad faith so I'll just quote this post again and then take hollylolly's advice and bow out of this Nah I think you would if you could, because that would straight up win you the argument. What it shows instead is that lgbt characters must in fact be immortal and above the rules of storytelling in order to satisfy you, and in my opinion that's an unreasonable standard, and actually counterproductive to the goal of increasing lgbt representation on TV. Because if you have to treat gay characters with kid gloves then it's not worth it to make a character gay in the first place, since it ties your hands against all behinds the scenes realites, audience demands, new narrative ideas or changes.
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Mar 7, 2016 03:21
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Aphrodite posted:The Commander had to die for the season arc, obviously. I can just imagine two show runner executive types sitting around thinking about how they can up the ratings. If I had a cold, cynical heart I'd totally make sure a few characters were gay just so I on-screen kill them during sweeps week. Controversy sells, the ratings go up and the fallout is a couple of tumblr shut-ins stammering their complaints into a mic at some bullshit convention where people are dressed as anime characters.
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Mar 7, 2016 03:25
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Okay, so new rule: any non-het character can never have anything bad happen to them because killing off lesbians is a trope! gently caress guys, she was cast on another show. Should they have put Lexa on a bus to ice nation and never mentioned her again? Would that have been more acceptable? If the writers had killed her off just for shits and giggles, sure, get mad. This is them dealing with the fact that the actress literally would not be available anymore, not some anti-gay bullshit.
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Mar 7, 2016 03:28
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WarLocke posted:Okay, so new rule: any non-het character can never have anything bad happen to them because killing off lesbians is a trope! no no, it just can't be a "shock death", as in her death should be very predictable and mundane. it would definitely make a more compelling storytelling!
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Mar 7, 2016 03:32
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This isn't the kind of show where you can write a character out without killing them. Lexa can't exactly go and move in with her sister on the opposite coast. She is the commander of the grounder alliance - she can't be uninvolved with the story.
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Mar 7, 2016 03:32
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TyrantWD posted:This isn't the kind of show where you can write a character out without killing them. Lexa can't exactly go and move in with her sister on the opposite coast. She is the commander of the grounder alliance - she can't be uninvolved with the story. send her off to coast city obviously
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Mar 7, 2016 03:35
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enraged_camel posted:send her off to coast city obviously "Clarke I know you're the Flash"
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Mar 7, 2016 03:40
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In any case, it's not really an argument for this thread, no? The show was pretty justified from both production and storytelling standpoints. If people want to argue the larger issue, it's not going to get anywhere here because most of the posters here just want to talk about this show. Now ignoring all that stuff, god drat. It took them a little longer than previous seasons to get there but just when it felt like a season 3 curse was coming on the crazy poo poo hits a whole bunch of fans. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Mar 7, 2016 |
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Mar 7, 2016 03:41
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enraged_camel posted:send her off to coast city obviously She could go hang out with
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Mar 7, 2016 03:43
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zoux posted:Nah I think you would if you could, because that would straight up win you the argument.
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Mar 7, 2016 03:44
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Lol this thread. Man the internet is mad. I guarantee you that the writers are at this very moment frantically rewriting later episodes to get Lexa back into the story, probably in the City of Light. Or at least trying to figure out a way to get her into season 4.
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Mar 7, 2016 03:48
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Lexa gets cancer/sick and dies slowly for the rest of the season? Lexa being killed in battle by Skaikru would deepen the divide between Skaikru and the Grounders. Lexa being assassinated does the same thing. Lexa just disappearing doesn't make any sense at all for her character or the story. Lexa was killed by accident by her trusted spiritual advisor who now will be more open to her Blood Must Not Have Blood view as carried on in the next Commander.  Titus is a really interesting character and is probably the only person with enough authority with the Grounders to enforce what Lexa's wishes would be regarding Clarke and Skaikru until the next commander ascends, and will be advising that commander when they come into power (which is probably next episode).
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Mar 7, 2016 03:50
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hollylolly posted:Lexa gets cancer/sick and dies slowly for the rest of the season? Lexa should've lead the coalition army into battle with Arkadia then died. Bonus if Abby killed her 
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Mar 7, 2016 04:01
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If a gay person had killed Lexa would that have been ok?
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Mar 7, 2016 04:04
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If a gay person had killed Lexa would that have been ok? only if that gay person had taken her place. it's kinda like the walking dead black highlander rules
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Mar 7, 2016 04:10
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Troposphere posted:only if that gay person had taken her place. it's kinda like the walking dead black highlander rules Michonne isn't gay though.
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Mar 7, 2016 04:20
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Troposphere posted:only if that gay person had taken her place. it's kinda like the walking dead black highlander rules This, and also only if the killer was also a lesbian. Gay men and bisexuals are only allowed to kill other gay men and bisexuals imho
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Mar 7, 2016 04:21
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Rhyno posted:Michonne isn't gay though. I-- what
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Mar 7, 2016 04:21
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Troposphere posted:I-- what Shhhh, you'll ruin it.
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Mar 7, 2016 04:32
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hollylolly posted:Lexa gets cancer/sick and dies slowly for the rest of the season? Like I said before I think the only death people would have accepted is if Lexa jumped in front of the bullet intentionally.
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Mar 7, 2016 05:01
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Lexa dies in a gladiator match with the season's real foe: The patriarchy.
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Mar 7, 2016 05:08
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Boogaleeboo posted:Lexa dies in a gladiator match with the season's real foe: The patriarchy. I love you
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Mar 7, 2016 05:15
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If she had been shot, but had gone into a coma instead of flat out dying, would that have been better in terms of representation?
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Mar 7, 2016 05:44
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Open Source Idiom posted:If she had been shot, but had gone into a coma instead of flat out dying, would that have been better in terms of representation? Maybe they could have stuck her into some manner of cryogenic storage at Arkadia...
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Mar 7, 2016 05:46
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Open Source Idiom posted:If she had been shot, but had gone into a coma instead of flat out dying, would that have been better in terms of representation? that would have been good, would have let them bring her back whenever alycia had time. they could have still done the whole cutting the chip out of her neck thing because they would need a commander that was conscious. would have also been interesting for her to wake up and not be the commander anymore and have conflict based around that.
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Troposphere posted:that would have been good, would have let them bring her back whenever alycia had time. they could have still done the whole cutting the chip out of her neck thing because they would need a commander that was conscious. would have also been interesting for her to wake up and not be the commander anymore and have conflict based around that. It could be interesting to have nochip Lexa, but again it just doesn't make sense to me in the context of the show and the grounder beliefs. That chip would only ever come out if she died, and for them to concoct a reason for it to happen wouldn't fit the show's established story or imho Lexa's character at all. I imagine she would much prefer to die to pass it on than to remove it and then probably be exiled or something. Like even in a world where she didn't have another show I just don't see her living very long fitting. e: nvm just saw the coma bit I am at work and exhausted disregard etc etc esperterra fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Mar 7, 2016 |
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Mar 7, 2016 06:32
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It's a religious thing, she literally refers to the picking a new Commander as "reincarnation". They wouldn't do the process without her being definitively donezo, and you can't have her hang around in limbo with a massive conflict on the horizon.
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Mar 7, 2016 06:42
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Boogaleeboo posted:It's a religious thing, she literally refers to the picking a new Commander as "reincarnation". They wouldn't do the process without her being definitively donezo, and you can't have her hang around in limbo with a massive conflict on the horizon. A good point so I will say undisregard what I said before.
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Mar 7, 2016 07:10
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Troposphere posted:that would have been good, would have let them bring her back whenever alycia had time. they could have still done the whole cutting the chip out of her neck thing because they would need a commander that was conscious. would have also been interesting for her to wake up and not be the commander anymore and have conflict based around that. True, then maybe she could just move in with Clarke, get a nice apartment in a developing neighborhood and open a sustainable artisan beet tea shop together. 
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Mar 7, 2016 08:01
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Astroman posted:True, then maybe she could just move in with Clarke, get a nice apartment in a developing neighborhood and open a sustainable artisan beet tea shop together. sounds good to me
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Astroman posted:True, then maybe she could just move in with Clarke, get a nice apartment in a developing neighborhood and open a sustainable artisan beet tea shop together. wow, how dare you stereotype gays
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