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FistEnergy posted:Is there a specific reason why Trump is polling so well in Michigan? Is it because his anti-Muslim rhetoric plays well with white GOP voters in a state with significantly large Muslim communities? Being skeptical of free trade is probably really popular in Michigan, Sanders is also doing pretty well there
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joe football posted:Being skeptical of free trade is probably really popular in Michigan, Sanders is also doing pretty well there FOX 2 Detroit/Mitchell Clinton 66 Sanders 29
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Mar 7, 2016 15:49
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Jindal, who couldn't manage to properly spit out a response to a SotU address also had absolutely no business running a state? Well I'll never.
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say no to bats posted:Jindal, who couldn't manage to properly spit out a response to a SotU address also had absolutely no business running a state? Well I'll never. But he was implementing the GOP national agenda. Same as Fallin in OK, Brownback in KS and Walker in WI. NC too. They implemented the GOP national platform very effectively in their states.
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say no to bats posted:Jindal, who couldn't manage to properly spit out a response to a SotU address also had absolutely no business running a state? Well I'll never. Now I think about it, has there been a decent SotU response since Obama took office? I only know of Jindal and Rubio + whatever the gently caress it was marblemouth Haley did.
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FistEnergy posted:Is there a specific reason why Trump is polling so well in Michigan? Is it because his anti-Muslim rhetoric plays well with white GOP voters in a state with significantly large Muslim communities? Michigan is ground zero for the effects of globalization, outsourcing, and coastal banker fuckery. Trump's essential argument is that the problems facing former industrial states are the direct outcome of a bipartisan effort of the coastal elite, through a mix of greed and incompetence, which has used political correctness to silence dissent and delegitimize the victims complaints. Deindustrialization, massive influxes of cheap labor, outsourcing, are all deliberate policies and preaching the wonders of immigration and free trade are simply covers for these policies and methods to crush those who object. Which is actually not that far off, and Detroit is one of the places hardest hit by all this.
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I saw or read some discussion about the current GOP primary that likened Cruz's current status in the race as not much different from, say, Rick Santorum from 2012. Remember, Rick did win about 11 or 12 states. The main reason it's not being portrayed as a Romney/Santorum situation is because the front runner is Trump, so there is more interest in trying to prop up Cruz. Aside from the big delegate haul in TX, Cruz has basically been able to win the smaller whiter caucus states. Santorum and Huckabee were also able to win the deep South states but Cruz has had his lunch eaten there by Trump. Now Cruz pulling close late in LA does suggest it's possible the fundamental race dynamic may have shifted in his direction now in the deep South, although it's too late for that region and type of voter as Trump has already won all over Cruz's Bible Belt backyard. It remains to be proven that Cruz can do the same in a Midwest and Northeast backyard that should be a lot friendlier to Trump than Cruz, especially with respect to the big states. Michigan is the first big test of that. If Trump is able to hold off Cruz and Kasich there and especially if he wins anywhere near his polling, then it reconfirms that the race is his to lose. And the OH/FL apocalypse will of course determine all.
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So does Rubio winning PR give him a chance to get back in the game or is he basically done at this point and all of the establishment votes are going to Kasich, who at least has a chance of winning his home state.
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Mar 7, 2016 15:58
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Totalizator posted:I know this was ran to the ground, but this is so clearly wrong Trump: Pyro Kasich: Engineer Jeb: Medic Cruz: Spy Carson: Heavy Rubio: Scout a pyro's job is to burn everything it sees in case it is a spy. a heavy's job is to lumber around slowly, sheepishly, as if it were asleep.
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The Saurus posted:So does Rubio winning PR give him a chance to get back in the game or is he basically done at this point and all of the establishment votes are going to Kasich, who at least has a chance of winning his home state.
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MysteriousStranger posted:Michigan is ground zero for the effects of globalization, outsourcing, and coastal banker fuckery. Trump's essential argument is that the problems facing former industrial states are the direct outcome of a bipartisan effort of the coastal elite, through a mix of greed and incompetence, which has used political correctness to silence dissent and delegitimize the victims complaints. Deindustrialization, massive influxes of cheap labor, outsourcing, are all deliberate policies and preaching the wonders of immigration and free trade are simply covers for these policies and methods to crush those who object. Which is actually not that far off, and Detroit is one of the places hardest hit by all this. The only people who can disagree with this are ideologues.
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My Imaginary GF posted:a pyro's job is to burn everything it sees in case it is a spy. a heavy's job is to lumber around slowly, sheepishly, as if it were asleep. Carson sees the world in pyrovision and Trump is an untouchable battering ram screaming ENTIRE TEAM IS BABIES.
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Mar 7, 2016 16:02
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Rubio just sits there building up his metal reserves.
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The Saurus posted:So does Rubio winning PR give him a chance to get back in the game or is he basically done at this point and all of the establishment votes are going to Kasich, who at least has a chance of winning his home state. Rubio is cooked, especially if this is anywhere near reality: Astroclassicist posted:https://twitter.com/politicalwire/status/706829094164566016
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Harlock posted:Puerto Rico is a big nothingburger of delegates or barometer of anything. I doubt any of the other candidates even campaigned there.
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http://www.phillyvoice.com/penn-student-petitions-strike-john-kasich-pennsylvania-republican-primary/ Lawsuit challenges Kasich's right to be on Pennsylvania ballot, says ~800 of ~2200 signatures are invalid (PA's requirement is 2000). Could be a big deal if Kasich is off the ballot in Pennsylvania.
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Peachstapler posted:Ben Carson did. Being fair, he probably didn't realise it wasn't a full state.
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MysteriousStranger posted:Michigan is ground zero for the effects of globalization, outsourcing, and coastal banker fuckery. Trump's essential argument is that the problems facing former industrial states are the direct outcome of a bipartisan effort of the coastal elite, through a mix of greed and incompetence, which has used political correctness to silence dissent and delegitimize the victims complaints. Deindustrialization, massive influxes of cheap labor, outsourcing, are all deliberate policies and preaching the wonders of immigration and free trade are simply covers for these policies and methods to crush those who object. Which is actually not that far off, and Detroit is one of the places hardest hit by all this. That's very helpful, thanks.
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Tesseraction posted:Being fair, he probably didn't realise it wasn't a full state.
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Tesseraction posted:Now I think about it, has there been a decent SotU response since Obama took office? I only know of Jindal and Rubio + whatever the gently caress it was marblemouth Haley did. They're all inherently destined to fail because who the hell wants to watch some random jerk who's not the President ramble about stuff for an hour after watching the President ramble about stuff for an hour. The idea of a SotU "response" is stupid as hell. That said, if you're looking for someone who didn't poo poo all over themselves, VA Gov. Bob McDonnell did as well as could reasonably be expected given the parameters of "talk about policy poo poo unprompted because the President did that a little while ago, only with all the trappings of office and tradition." Of course, then McDonnell turned out to be corrupt as hell, his wife was having an affair with the guy bribing the governor, and McDonnell ended up crashing on the couch of some preacher who'd been busted for cruising dudes in a parking lot, and it was all very embarrassing for Virginia. But that came after the SotU response.
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Who was worse in SOTU response: Jindal or Rubio?
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Who was worse in SOTU response: Jindal, no contest.
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Carson should have stayed in so when Rubio and Kasich burn out, he'd be the only not-Cruz not-Trump in the race.
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FairGame posted:Of course, then McDonnell turned out to be corrupt as hell, his wife was having an affair with the guy bribing the governor, and McDonnell ended up crashing on the couch of some preacher who'd been busted for cruising dudes in a parking lot, and it was all very embarrassing for Virginia. And people say that republicans just don't get comedic timing.
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MysteriousStranger posted:I don't think Trump will actually enact the most pro business and anti labor agenda out there. In fact out of everyone running, only Sanders would be more pro working class. Clinton, Rubio, Cruz, Kasich would all be far worse. bad news: we've seen his agenda published on his website and it's the same pro-business nonsense the Republican Party has been spouting for decades-- cut taxes on the wealthy, slash social programs, and eviscerate health care (despite what he said at the debate, his website indicates he wants to bring back pre-existing condition denials). The only areas he deviates are in things he can't possibly do, like exit NAFTA, which I'm sure the Chamber of Commerce-controlled House will love. The idea that he can win Michigan is a fantasy. He's pulling 39% of R primary voters in the latest poll I've seen, while Hillary is getting 55% in hers, and Democrats heavily outnumber Republicans in MI. Michigan has open primaries, so this includes independents. If Rust Belt democrats and indies were going to abandon her for an anti-free-trade populist they'd be doing so now, for Sanders; as it stands they're breaking for her more strongly than for Trump.
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Patter Song posted:http://www.phillyvoice.com/penn-student-petitions-strike-john-kasich-pennsylvania-republican-primary/ You would think Kasich would have been able to pull more than 2,200 signatures from his neighboring state. A good rule of thumb is you want at least 50% more signatures then the minimum required for ballot access.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Who was worse in SOTU response: Jindal was like Kenneth the Page from 30 Rock. This joke was so obvious to everyone that they got the guy who played Kenneth to make a video mocking it. Rubio had one (admittedly hilarious) odd moment with the water grabbing, but aside from that did okay.
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FairGame posted:That said, if you're looking for someone who didn't poo poo all over themselves, VA Gov. Bob McDonnell did as well as could reasonably be expected given the parameters of "talk about policy poo poo unprompted because the President did that a little while ago, only with all the trappings of office and tradition." Oh my God that's hilarious. Poor Virginia. Perfectly Safe posted:And people say that republicans just don't get comedic timing. Either that or God really doesn't like them using his name in vain.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Who was worse in SOTU response: Jindal never gave a SOTU response. He gave a first-address-to-joint-session-of-Congress response
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Jindal never gave a SOTU response. He gave a first-address-to-joint-session-of-Congress response Is this distinction because Obama had only been in office a few months, and therefore couldn't report on what had primarily been Bush's tenure?
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:bad news: we've seen his agenda published on his website and it's the same pro-business nonsense the Republican Party has been spouting for decades-- cut taxes on the wealthy, slash social programs, and eviscerate health care (despite what he said at the debate, his website indicates he wants to bring back pre-existing condition denials). using words like SLASH and EVISCERATE makes his moderate reforms seem really scary, good plan except he's not going to cut social security and medicare, and will have the federal government negotiate for drug prices, and allow drugs to be imported from overseas to massively lower medication prices also he doesn't want to destabilize country after country like Hillary does causing untold death and destruction, but I guess liberals have never really cared about people in poor countries
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Tesseraction posted:Yeah reading through the amount of poo poo that Jindal hosed up I doubt 16 years of Democratic rule could truly fix it. Jindal hosed up so terribly that a Republican who hosed a hooker while wearing a diaper lost the gubernatorial election solely due to being associated with Jindal.
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Tesseraction posted:Oh my God that's hilarious. Poor Virginia. I know that Jeb Lund isn't particularly well-liked around here (I gather he was a Helldump all star or something?) but I like his writing and you might enjoy this: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/28/governor-bob-mcdonnell-scandal-trial
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nachos posted:It might be easier at this point to name the republican governers that haven't destroyed their states in the past few years Surprisingly enough, you can count Idaho in this list.  The Otter administration has been hilariously and nakedly corrupt [State Superintendent signing a 22m broadband contract in a massively illegal fashion in broad daylight 6 months before leaving to take a VP position at said company, for instance] but has actually not burnt down the state. Now this mostly coincides with Idaho receiving piles of federal money for roads and for the INL, but both of these things lead to a very low unemployment rate and fairly high economic mobility. They've managed to put most of the heavily slashed education budget back in place, and there appears to be political will to increase funding again next year. The big fight going on right now between the republican governor and republican legislature is... medicaid expansion, which Otter has made a core plank of his last couple of years in office. Otter is a drunk and in Simplot's pocket [or, is simplot I guess, since he's married to his daughter] but has not been an abject disaster. This is the same governor who had the country calling for his head when he said after Romney lost in 2012 that they had fought Obamacare in the courts and in a presidential election and that the republican party had lost both times. It was time to move on, work with the new system and try to help people. tl;dr: Idaho politics are hilarious.
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The Nastier Nate posted:You would think Kasich would have been able to pull more than 2,200 signatures from his neighboring state. A good rule of thumb is you want at least 50% more signatures then the minimum required for ballot access. This is absolutely true. It's definitely possible Kasich ends up disqualified in PA and it'd be deeply embarrassing.
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The Saurus posted:also he doesn't want to destabilize country after country like Hillary does causing untold death and destruction, but I guess liberals have never really cared about people in poor countries hahaha thats pretty rich coming from a hateful little poo poo like you
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david mammoth posted:Jindal hosed up so terribly that a Republican who hosed a hooker while wearing a diaper lost the gubernatorial election solely due to being associated with Jindal. This sounds like a terrific story that I would like to hear more about
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Needs More Ditka posted:This sounds like a terrific story that I would like to hear more about David Vitter had a thing for being put in a diaper and hired a mistress while in Washington to do just that. It got out awhile ago, he then decided to run for Louisiana governor with it being public knowledge, and managed to sneak through the jungle primary to the runoff against Edwards. The ads were basically open season on him and as brutal as you can imagine. He even missed a vote on terrorism or something to be with the mistress. Good times.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Who was worse in SOTU response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84sZMS95yYM lol
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whatever7 posted:Wait, regular bulbs change to CFL bulbs? There is a conspiracy for CFL bulbs? Because the law george bush signed to phase out incandescents for wasting so much energy is actually an obama plot to mind control us all with CFLs This is what people believe. Needs More Ditka posted:This sounds like a terrific story that I would like to hear more about The republican is David Vitter, who remains the Senator from Louisiana, and he has been repeatedly caught in diapers with hookers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Vitter
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