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GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

Trykt posted:

Definitely stop pressing b+MP, I'm really not sure how or why you have that as a habit but it's the biggest immediate problem you need to solve. That move is pretty much just to let her get a beefier hit confirm off of certain hits, like j.lk (her only cross-up capable air normal)

You need to not press st.mp or cr.mp during footsies (use those buttons for pressure when you KNOW you have advantage), stick with st.mk and cr.mk (try to hit-confirm cr.mk into spiral arrow, especially if you're whiff punishing something). Press way way more st.mk btw, and move around more (including backwards), you're standing in one spot pressing the button sometimes like that ridiculous rear end bot in that video from earlier in the thread.

You need to actually use your V-Trigger cancel, poke with cr.hp and just cancel it. If you get a hit you can confirm into st.hp xx v-triggered spiral arrow, v-triggered cannon spike for 300+ damage, on block you're massively + so you can try mix-ups. Do a normal canceled into hooligan cross up dive kick for a baby mode mix-up that will probably hit 95% of people online. Confirm into cr.mp xx whatever. If they do block you're STILL + so Do More poo poo (staying active is a theme for good Cammy play)

Note that you CAN also poke and V-trigger cancel with st.mk and cr.mk but I wouldn't recommend it, you get so little advantage on hit that you only get a small follow-up (if any, depends on distance).

Please make sure you are strong at hit confirming into super. Until you are I would recommend spending your meter mostly on EX divekicks as often as you can.

Good luck!

Thanks for the advice! I often hit b+mp accidentally honestly. Sometimes I'll gently caress up combos because I was holding back. I'm guessing I shouldn't use b+mp as an anti air? It seems to trade a lot. RH can also be used as an AA crush counter but I feel like it's too risky.

I'm gonna think about what you said for a bit but right now I'm about to pass out.

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Trykt
Jul 30, 2000

Still training..
She has great DPs, learn to use those as anti-airs before you start trying to master her normals that can anti-air since those are for edge case scenarios where you don't want to or can't DP for some reason.

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010



Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

fozzy fosbourne posted:

So I've mostly got the TK instant air legs down, I do 236963 double-tap mk and the key for me was figuring out the button press needs to be after you've hit the minimum height -- it doesn't really matter so much which direction you are pressing as it does that you are above the minimum height.

However, watching replays, it seems like the pros do neutral jump legs a lot for in your face pressure. :bang:. Has anyone figured out how to TK that, if it's possible? Someone tweeted that you can do neutral legs with 236863 but I feel like you need a hitbox to go from 6 to 8 like that, but maybe I just need to git gud. Or do you just do 8346, really quickly? I've tried that a bit and the fastest I can do it only gives me 1-2 hits, while I can consistently get 3 from the UF TK motion. But maybe if I keep practicing.

E: unghhh I want to do that combo at 1:06 http://youtu.be/MCwU-cdaftQ

Not sure why you are double tapping the mk, its gonna take whatever the first input is its not quite like doing a combo where you can be too early on the button press.

As for neutral legs, only real motion that works is either 8741236 or if you got pure speed 8236, although neutral legs isn't necessarily ideal because you want the forward motion to make sure you can get the bnb. That combo at 1:06 is something you would do if you are too far away as it does less damage than the normal BnB.

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
i am consistently amazed at how fast a playable match can turn into a stuttering poo poo fest

Zand
Jul 9, 2003

~ i'll take you for a ride ~ ride on a meteorite ~

Pomp posted:

i am consistently amazed at how fast a playable match can turn into a stuttering poo poo fest
Can you still alt-tab to desynch the game?

MeatRocket8
Aug 3, 2011

Justin Wong's streaming on Twitch.

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

ChocNitty posted:

Justin Wong's streaming on Twitch.

wooooooooooongnation

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Zand posted:

Can you still alt-tab to desynch the game?

yes

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

Evil Canadian posted:

Not sure why you are double tapping the mk, its gonna take whatever the first input is its not quite like doing a combo where you can be too early on the button press.

As for neutral legs, only real motion that works is either 8741236 or if you got pure speed 8236, although neutral legs isn't necessarily ideal because you want the forward motion to make sure you can get the bnb. That combo at 1:06 is something you would do if you are too far away as it does less damage than the normal BnB.

Double-tapping seems to help me get the minimum height. Could just be placebo, but I wonder if you double tap and the first comes before the minimum height and the second is at it, do you get a normal or the special? And how does the buffer work here, does it go from 3 frames to 5 like in a combo? I'll experiment more with it.

For any other special, regardless of whether you are in a combo or not, you will get the special rather than the normal. Seems like it would apply here too?

E:basically, does it kara the normal into legs as you cross minimum height, like it would on the ground?


As an aside, as I understand it the Japanese players, Justin Wong, combofiend etc double tap basically everything including normals since it will help you get a reversal timing or the first frame after a transition like a dash

It also seems to help getting the minimum amount of charge for kikoken.

Maybe I'm just tripping, but if you listen to Justin Wong's stick while he's playing it sounds like a popcorn machine

fozzy fosbourne fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Mar 8, 2016

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

rip in pepperonis WORLD'S BEST FANG

apple
May 18, 2003

Jose in the club wearing orange suspenders
I ended up watching one of his replays and man it's a pretty lovely fang

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

https://twitter.com/TeamYPOfficial/status/707220658443440128?s=09

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

Who gave Daigo the nickname Beast?

Revelant
Jul 27, 2007

Ask me about my male escort services. 30% Discounts for Goons.
https://twitter.com/rychu19/status/706279537122942976

Punch so strong it its behind!

Gunder
May 22, 2003

This may be obvious tech for you veterens, but it's pretty useful for people trying to learn what to do with Zangief's super. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmbRj81CCpQ

my girlfriend is Legos
Apr 24, 2013

hiddenriverninja posted:

Who gave Daigo the nickname Beast?

Not sure, but it's bad. He should just be Daigo Umehara IMO

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club
Lipstick Apathy
He's been The Beast since before he was known in America, I'm pretty sure.

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

Will urien be mostly naked still

I hope so

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

Ag Bengip posted:

Not sure, but it's bad. He should just be Daigo Umehara IMO

Diego Umejuarez is still the best Umehara nickname

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

Jmcrofts posted:

He's been The Beast since before he was known in America, I'm pretty sure.

Can you find me a quote, because everywhere I look in JP (and in my memory) "The Beast" is seen as a purely western invention

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club
Lipstick Apathy

AnonSpore posted:

Can you find me a quote, because everywhere I look in JP (and in my memory) "The Beast" is seen as a purely western invention

I dunno I could have sworn I read that in an interview but now I can't find it so it's possible I pulled it out of my rear end.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI
"The Beast" is really a terrible nickname for him. "The Machine" would be a hell of a lot better because a good amount of his success stems from his uncanny ability to basically shut off his emotions and stay cool and relaxed. That, and he's really good at analyzing his opponents and thinking up counter strategies really fast.

On the flip side, you have "Murderface" Tokido which actually makes sense because well... he has a murder face.

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

Gammatron 64 posted:

"The Beast" is really a terrible nickname for him. "The Machine" would be a hell of a lot better because a good amount of his success stems from his uncanny ability to basically shut off his emotions and stay cool and relaxed. That, and he's really good at analyzing his opponents and thinking up counter strategies really fast.

On the flip side, you have "Murderface" Tokido which actually makes sense because well... he has a murder face.

The Machine is Poongko's nickname though.

Which also doesn't really make sense since he's a very emotional player.

Zaa Boogie
Sep 13, 2007

"Suckle on this receptacle!"

Kinda wish they would've slow motioned that part but it *looked* like Cammy hit a button before she got hit. Might'be been her hit box of a kick got smacked by strength priority

dangerdoom volvo
Nov 5, 2009

AnonSpore posted:

The Machine is Poongko's nickname though.

Which also doesn't really make sense since he's a very emotional player.

p sure he got it because apparently he like training moded for 24 hours straight once

cams
Mar 28, 2003


the effectiveness of certain character's anti air options is the first thing that i actively dislike in this game. most of the best characters in the game have anti air normals that can be used INSANELY late and still win clean, even after you've crossed them up. then you have a few characters who never have to guess on a crossup ever, because they can just mash standing jab and it will, at worst, trade.

i am finding this aspect of the game not fun.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

AnonSpore posted:

The Machine is Poongko's nickname though.

Which also doesn't really make sense since he's a very emotional player.

What's funny is when I was thinking of someone who should be called the Beast, Poongko is the guy who came to mind as he's wild and crazy.

Basically Daigo and Poongko need to switch nicknames. Maybe it's like how M. Bison, Vega and Balrog shuffled names around when they came here. I like to think it's that.

Faffel
Dec 31, 2008

A bouncy little mouse!

Hmm I'm surprised that aspect of sfv is turning out to be troublesome

E:@cams

interrodactyl
Nov 8, 2011

you have no dignity

Gammatron 64 posted:

What's funny is when I was thinking of someone who should be called the Beast, Poongko is the guy who came to mind as he's wild and crazy.

Basically Daigo and Poongko need to switch nicknames. Maybe it's like how M. Bison, Vega and Balrog shuffled names around when they came here. I like to think it's that.

otoh umeshoryu is an entire thing

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

Gammatron 64 posted:

What's funny is when I was thinking of someone who should be called the Beast, Poongko is the guy who came to mind as he's wild and crazy.

Basically Daigo and Poongko need to switch nicknames. Maybe it's like how M. Bison, Vega and Balrog shuffled names around when they came here. I like to think it's that.

Umehara Daigo and Lee "Poongrim 'Poongko' Kkoma" Chun-gon need to sit down for a game of poker is what you're saying

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

AnonSpore posted:

Umehara Daigo and Lee "Poongrim 'Poongko' Kkoma" Chun-gon need to sit down for a game of poker is what you're saying

I can't remember what that's from, but yes

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

Gammatron 64 posted:

I can't remember what that's from, but yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9KvRDaIpbs&t=462s

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

I knew I had seen that before somewhere.

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club
Lipstick Apathy
Did a vid about an OS some of you might not know about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVgOK-5ffwY

my girlfriend is Legos
Apr 24, 2013

AnonSpore posted:

Diego Umejuarez is still the best Umehara nickname

poo poo, that's good. I didn't know about that one.

Sir Simon Milligan
Mar 27, 2003

Yes, I have walked along the path of evil many times, it's a twisting curving path, that actually leads to a charming block garden, but beyond that evil!

I tried asking in the fighting thread and didn't get a response, so I'll try one more time in here instead.

So after a long time I'm looking to get a stick, I was looking at the TE2 and that seems to be sold out everywhere. Is the TES+ just as good, or is there a reason to hold out and hunt down a TE2? Or are there even better sticks that I'm not aware of?

Foodahn
Oct 5, 2006

Pillbug
Looks like the only difference (that I can see) is the TE2 opens up and has a little storage space. They use the same parts and have the same layout.


Another option is the Hori RAP4, which is cheaper. The Hori uses proprietary buttons and stick but (now) they are pretty good.

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Gunder
May 22, 2003

Siva68 posted:

I tried asking in the fighting thread and didn't get a response, so I'll try one more time in here instead.

So after a long time I'm looking to get a stick, I was looking at the TE2 and that seems to be sold out everywhere. Is the TES+ just as good, or is there a reason to hold out and hunt down a TE2? Or are there even better sticks that I'm not aware of?

I have a TES+ and really like it. It's the same quality level as the new TE2+, it's just not as easy to mod due to the top not having a hinge to make opening it easier. Same Sanwa parts. People on SRK have actually said that the s+ is slightly more sturdy due to the lack of a hinged top, so I'd go for the TES+.

Btw when you said TE2, I assume you mean TE2+, not TE2, as that's a different, older model.

Edit: For clarity:

This is the old TE2. It's PS4 compatible, but lacks the touchpad and L3 R3 buttons that the next two have. It has a hinged top which apparently sometimes squeaks and groans with the weight of mighty goon hands.


This is the TE2+. It's the most expensive of the three, and has a hinged top, complete with squeaking and groaning. It also has the touchpad and L3 R3 buttons.


This is the TES+. It's the same as the TE2+, but with a different form factor. It's a bit less wide (very slightly), and is based on the original TE model that was sold with SFIV. It lacks a hinged top, and apparently "feels more solid" than the others (no squeaking and groaning). It also has the touchpad and L3 R3 buttons.

Gunder fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Mar 9, 2016

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