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Typo posted:Bernie is basically a D&D poster which is to say he's a 60s new left hippie who had a hardon for Socialism of USSR and Cuba and willing to excuse the fact that they were dictatorships cuz they were left-wing enough. And he never gave that up even though it's 2016. even though D&D overwhelmingly supports hillary because they are more interested in "winning" than debate and discussion
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stoutfish posted:even though D&D overwhelmingly supports hillary because they are more interested in "winning" than debate and discussion i don't think this is the case but okay
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Joementum posted:Well, we know he's not Pol Pot because he said it was 2016, not Year Zero. He hasn't seized power yet. There's still time.
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stoutfish posted:even though D&D overwhelmingly supports hillary because they are more interested in "winning" than debate and discussion ok granted D&D a couple years ago there r u happy now?
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Typo posted:Bernie is basically a D&D poster which is to say he's a 60s new left hippie who had a hardon for Socialism of USSR and Cuba and willing to excuse the fact that they were dictatorships cuz they were left-wing enough. And he never gave that up even though it's 2016. No, Bernie's LF as gently caress but in a good way
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Mar 10, 2016 05:42
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Typo posted:ok granted D&D a couple years ago there r u happy now? always
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Mar 10, 2016 05:43
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I think "doesn't hate Hillary but supports Bernie" gets confused with "class traitor who hates bernie sanders" here a little to much
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Mar 10, 2016 05:43
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Immortan posted:lmfao Bernie is more reminiscent of Che & Lenin, not loving MLK. only one of these people was a self described democratic socialist focusing on the power of popular support and non-violence to advocate for the American working class
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:No, Bernie's LF as gently caress
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Commie NedFlanders posted:only one of these people was a self described democratic socialist focusing on the power of popular support and non-violence to advocate for the American working class Lenin.
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Mar 10, 2016 05:43
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Venom Snake posted:I'm not on the fence, I voted for Bernie in the VA primary because I think the party should shift to the left. I just support Hillary because 1. She is right on some thing Obama has been wrong on and 2. Obama freely admits it. She isn't the perfect candidate, but that isn't going to stop me from doing my best to bring about a D win in November. Fair enough, I agree that we should not be voting for President based on "who I like more". We harp a bit too much on how weirdly misanthropic Hillary is. I just... its hard for me to get over how wildly insincere and manipulative she comes across as.
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To be completely serious though, I thought the best question and one of the most important point in this primary was the one about Warren's claim that personnel is policy. HRC and Sanders will surround themselves with astronomically different financial people, and it's not a stretch to be worried that HRC's people might not be able to see or prevent the next crash.
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Venom Snake posted:I'm not on the fence, I voted for Bernie in the VA primary because I think the party should shift to the left. I just support Hillary because 1. She is right on some thing Obama has been wrong on and 2. Obama freely admits it. She isn't the perfect candidate, but that isn't going to stop me from doing my best to bring about a D win in November. Holy christ  supporters are so stupid.
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Heavy neutrino posted:To be completely serious though, I thought the best question and one of the most important point in this primary was the one about Warren's claim that personnel is policy. HRC and Sanders will surround themselves with astronomically different financial people, and it's not a stretch to be worried that HRC's people might not be able to see or prevent the next crash. why would they even care if the next crash would make them richer?
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Rexicon1 posted:I literally don't know a single honest Hillary supporter personally and I have no idea what animates that base to support her. All I can assume is its political ennui and "whatever, nothing matters" imagine you are a trust fund liberal who loves the idea of progressive politics because of Modern Family on ABC but you don't actually want to do anything that might threaten your investment portfolio
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Rexicon1 posted:Fair enough, I agree that we should not be voting for President based on "who I like more". We harp a bit too much on how weirdly misanthropic Hillary is. I just... its hard for me to get over how wildly insincere and manipulative she comes across as. See thats the thing. She comes across as stilted because thats who she is, she's not a masterful public orator like Obama. She's a lawyer who has a really good grasp on making policy and understanding rules. She would come across as insincere to me if she tried acting like she was a master orator, which she doesn't. This is going to get me a lot of poo poo but it's hard not to take the "oh well HER VOICE I just don't like hearing it SO EVIL" as just retarded feelings based bullshit when you should be looking at the content.
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Heavy neutrino posted:To be completely serious though, I thought the best question and one of the most important point in this primary was the one about Warren's claim that personnel is policy. HRC and Sanders will surround themselves with astronomically different financial people, and it's not a stretch to be worried that HRC's people might not be able to see or prevent the next crash. You're right, except that when a question is too good, it doesn't get answered, and from what I remember that happened there. I thought Bernie's overall best line of the night was "I am dangerous" but I'm not sure how much coverage it'll get. Venom Snake posted:See thats the thing. She comes across as stilted because thats who she is, she's not a masterful public orator like Obama. She's a lawyer who has a really good grasp on making policy and understanding rules. She would come across as insincere to me if she tried acting like she was a master orator, which she doesn't. Hillary was probably a very good lawyer. I just think she's a bad candidate because she comes across as someone who's been playing the game so long that she's forgotten the rules are all rigged. And that has policy implications, because she's very likely to appoint other elites to sensitive positions and to implement policy that benefits elites at the expense of the everyone else because she forgets too easily what it's like to not be an elite. This is why the wall street speeches are such a good point for Bernie to raise. You and I don't get the opportunity to make speeches at a hundred grand a pop. Hillary probably genuinely believes there was nothing wrong with giving those speeches and that she wasn't unduly influenced by them. But that in and of itself signals she's part of the problem. Sure if you ask her straight out "do you want to help the poor" she'll say yes because she's thinking about it and in the abstract she probably does. But when it comes down to it she's going to protect her circle and her donors over others, likely telling herself she's protecting "everybody" by doing so. She probably honestly believes that Obama's DOJ made the correct decision in not criminally, personally prosecuting any bankers after the crisis. She probably sincerely believes that positions like free college and universal public option health care are too radical to be achieved, because she's still thinking in terms of her husband's electorate, not today's. Basically I just think she's outdated and out of touch. tl:dr she is a bad candidate, it's not personal Hieronymous Alloy has issued a correction as of 05:58 on Mar 10, 2016 |
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Oh my loving god CNN, of all the things you could cover on this debate on your "Reality Check" you loving focus on the E-mails. UGH
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Heavy neutrino posted:To be completely serious though, I thought the best question and one of the most important point in this primary was the one about Warren's claim that personnel is policy. HRC and Sanders will surround themselves with astronomically different financial people, and it's not a stretch to be worried that HRC's people might not be able to see or prevent the next crash. As oppose to Bernie team of people's commissars who will ensure that no crash ever happens because they abolished the stock market. Ok seriously though, who is bernie even planning to be head of the treasury or Sec or fed reserve chairman after the current one steps down?
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No questions about either candidate's discontinued line of vacuum-sealed steaks. Kind of surprising.
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Venom Snake posted:I think "doesn't hate Hillary but supports Bernie" gets confused with "class traitor who hates bernie sanders" here a little to much bernie supporters should not hate clinton, but they should hate what she represents, who funds her campaigns, her ideology of 'progressive neoliberalism', and recognize how toxic she can be as a candidate as a person, she is strong and intelligent and overcoming and experienced and a beast in a lot of ways, however as a political candidate she's an LGBT-friendly Mitt Romney with teeth that can bite. that sounds great if you are a neoliberal who likes to Get Things Done but for real leftists and progressives, you gotta see past her personal charm and reject her as a candidate
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Typo posted:As oppose to Bernie team of people's commissars who will ensure that no crash ever happens because they abolished the stock market. The people he would be appointing would probably be Clinton people plus or minus a few which is what happened in 08. A lot of nominees and appointments come from the party.
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Venom Snake posted:See thats the thing. She comes across as stilted because thats who she is, she's not a masterful public orator like Obama. She's a lawyer who has a really good grasp on making policy and understanding rules. She would come across as insincere to me if she tried acting like she was a master orator, which she doesn't. It becomes a lot easier to attack her superficial presentation when the content of her policy is onerous and regressive. At the end, its a lot more fun to make fart noises in her general direction because I disagree so wildly with her.
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Typo posted:As oppose to Bernie team of people's commissars who will ensure that no crash ever happens because they abolished the stock market. robert reich will probably get a spot
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Rexicon1 posted:It becomes a lot easier to attack her superficial presentation when the content of her policy is onerous and regressive. At the end, its a lot more fun to make fart noises in her general direction because I disagree so wildly with her. Her policy really isn't regressive dude. Not as left as Bernie? sure. But come on man it's dumb to act like shes to the right of Obama when her current platform would have been suicide in 08'.
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stoutfish posted:robert reich will probably get a spot I think tbh he would get his old positions as sec.labor
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man I make so many counter-revolutionary posts when comrade sanders take power I'm gonna be up against the wall
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Venom Snake posted:like pretty much every poll has shown a majority of bernie supporters would vote Clinton in general and visa versa so I can't be the only person in YCS that would happily vote for either  people love to put up their candidate on a pedestal
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Venom Snake posted:Her policy really isn't regressive dude. Not as left as Bernie? sure. But come on man it's dumb to act like shes to the right of Obama when her current platform would have been suicide in 08'. It's worth noting that I think that Obama is a terrible benchmark for me. I'm sure he might have been more leftist if he hadn't been obliterated every step of the way, but I get the feeling that he's perfectly comfortable focusing on neoliberal tentpoles.
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Typo posted:man I make so many counter-revolutionary posts when comrade sanders take power I'm gonna be up against the wall No, he's said he doesn't think we need a wall.
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Bernie's team will be composed of the ghosts and goats of Che, Lenin, Marx, Trotsky, the geekiest Castro son, and that gay Kim Jong Il son (he'll have him murdered first) It will be the most spoogressiveky cabinet ever
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Joementum posted:No, he's said he doesn't think we need a wall. He will be up against the bike rack.
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Typo posted:I think tbh he would get his old positions as sec.labor Reich as VP would be great because any GOP VP he debates would get schooled so loving hard
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Joementum posted:No, he's said he doesn't think we need a wall.
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EugeneJ posted:Reich as VP would be great because any GOP VP he debates would get schooled so loving hard maybe but it makes 0 sense to tap him as VP cuz Sanders already has the left vote locked down he needs a moderate and definitely either a minority or women or both to expand his base
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Broken Machine posted:Actually a fairly good bellwether typically; other than when Obama lost it in '08 and still won, whoever wins Missouri has won the general for a long time, I think nearly a century iirc Obama lost MO in 08 by only ~4000 votes. 2012 on the other hand...
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Venom Snake posted:I think "doesn't hate Hillary but supports Bernie" gets confused with "class traitor who hates bernie sanders" here a little to much yeah and on the flipside if you look at super-detailed exit polls you find that a sizeable chunk of hillary's support comes from people who like both candidates and their policies but choose to default to hillary. on the other hand, a lot of bernie's support comes from people who, policy aside, don't like hillary on various character traits (sincere, trustworthy, cares about people like me) which is why it's so baffling that hillary is making dishonest attacks like the auto bailout claim instead of guarding her integrity indices like a hawk. Typo posted:As oppose to Bernie team of people's commissars who will ensure that no crash ever happens because they abolished the stock market. i figure a lot of them might come from the 170 economists who wrote a letter backing bernie's wall street reform idea. academics, policy-makers and so on who are outside the wall street cultural bubble.
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Venom Snake posted:Her policy really isn't regressive dude. Not as left as Bernie? sure. But come on man it's dumb to act like shes to the right of Obama when her current platform would have been suicide in 08'. her "current platform" is just rhetoric that she's figured is useful in the year of Bernie her actual history with regards to policy doesn't match her current rhetoric
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