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Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Franks Happy Place posted:

Wait are you in the industry? PM me.

Not in the TREE GAME myself.

PT6A posted:

Huh, I wouldn't have guessed that, but I guess I was wrong. It seems weed does have similar price variation compared to wine.

Thanks for the info. If you don't mind me asking another question, it is based on quantitative strength/concentration or qualitative properties?

I don't personally consume cannibis, however it will vary in THC concentration and have 'notes' like fine booze so it's both strength and quality. The people that will consume it medicinally will probably find a strain they like at the price they are willing to pay (cheap as hell) which is why its mostly in the $10-15 range. The funny thing about it is that getting a card to buy is pretty easy. Legal WEED.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 08:47

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# ? May 31, 2024 10:29

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

jm20 posted:

Not in the TREE GAME myself.

I don't personally consume cannibis, however it will vary in THC concentration and have 'notes' like fine booze so it's both strength and quality. The people that will consume it medicinally will probably find a strain they like at the price they are willing to pay (cheap as hell) which is why its mostly in the $10-15 range. The funny thing about it is that getting a card to buy is pretty easy. Legal WEED.

Don't forget that actual weed (aka flower) is an ever-shrinking subset of the sector. Concentrates (dabs) and edibles are growing the most, and those can have vastly different pricing at the high end, especially the finer resins.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 09:05

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

The roommate I recently kicked to the curb would never loving shut up about the weed types when he worked at a dispensary.

Then he got fired for being a fuckhead, and got a gig as a "marijuana product consultant", ie: he reviewed dabs / shatter and got the product for free in return, selling part of it to cover his rent in addition to being a grunt labourer. Hearing someone mumble spaced-out about butane-extracted THC concentrate, as if it's a fine wine, made me want to beat his head in with a brick.

I hate stoners with a passion. :fuckoff:

# ? Mar 11, 2016 12:15

Kafka Esq.: Jan 1, 2005; "If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

If you don't mind, Dreylad, I'll cover this one:

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Good Friday morning to you.

We begin in Washington, where Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Sophie Gr�goire-Trudeau headed to the White House last night for a glittery state dinner after a day of public bilateral affection described as everything from a love-in to a bromance. As our Janice Dickson reports, the guest list included cross-border politicos, business titans and Canadian celebrities, including �Saturday Night Live� creator and executive producer Lorne Michaels, comedian Mike Myers and actors Michael J. Fox and Ryan Reynolds. Trudeau�s mother, Margaret, who made headlines for the length of her skirt at a state dinner in 1977, also attended and received a standing ovation during President Obama�s remarks.

It was the first time a U.S. president has hosted a Canadian prime minister for a state dinner since Bill Clinton hosted Jean Chr�tien 19 years ago, and the breezy, informal tone that had marked many moments throughout the day carried. Obama thanked the people of Cape Breton for offering to accept America�s Donald Trump refugees, while Trudeau urged Americans to stop teasing the Biebs. He also noted that Canada and the U.S. are closer than friends. "We're more like siblings, really. We have shared parentage, but we took different paths in our later years. We became the stay-at-home type, you grew up to be a little more rebellious," Trudeau quipped.

The New York Times also felt the dinner had the air of a belated family reunion, a sentiment that carried into the kitchen. �There is so much commonality. It�s just like cooking for your brother,� White House Chef Cristeta Pasia Comerford said. �It�s not a big stretch for us to do something wonderful, but we want to make them feel at home.� Obama quipped they thought about just serving up some poutine and his plan was to bring a two-four.

Here�s the entirety of what each leader had to say.

Overall, it was a day filled with plenty of warm moments and big fanfare: �I have to say I have never seen so many Americans excited about the visit of a Canadian prime minister,� Obama mused to the morning crowd gathered on the White House lawn. �From my perspective, what�s not to like?�

A late-night party followed the state dinner, lasting into the wee hours this morning. Hosted by the Canadian-American Business Council, which launched the visit with a Politico event on Tuesday, the invitation-only event was held on the roof of the W Hotel. Although the Trudeaus didn't make it, more than 300 others did, including Chef Spike Mendelsohn, the Canadian who whipped up lunch at the State Department; Jeh Johnson, Secretary of Homeland Security; Peter Selfridge, the US Chief of Protocol; White House Chief Information Officer Tony Scott and actress Sandra Oh.

Behind the pomp, mutual admiration and hockey jokes, yesterday saw a substantive agenda laid out that relies on numerous promises for more action and meetings during the year. Canada joined a broad and far-reaching U.S. initative on Arctic development and agreed to adopt American methane emission limits back home. The U.S. agreed to institutionalize a system of regulatory cooperation and both sides said they will try to make crossing the border smoother for trade and travellers. They also said they would announce a working group to tackle wrongful identity complaints on security no-fly lists within sixty days. Our James Munson has that story from Washington.

And Aaron Wherry has 12 things Trudeau and Obama agreed on.

For more, here�s our special Trudeau in Washington page, including a photo gallery of the day's events and our view from the Tweet seats.

Back here in the House, MPs were decked out in yellow scarves and arguing about who did and didn't get invited to Washington. Our Kyle Duggan has the round-up.

Down the hall in the Senate, fed up with party politics, six independent senators announced they�re teaming up and going out on their own to push for change from within the upper chamber.

And lo and behold, in an email sent to CBC, Cheryl Gallant apologized for using an image of slain Cpl. Nathan Cirillo in a partisan fundraiser that offered potential donors Easter hams.

Federal Health Minister Jane Philpott says Ottawa will �remain involved for the long term� with the Pimicikamak Cree Nation in Manitoba in the wake of its state of emergency due to a suicide crisis. The federal government is working with local and provincial authorities to address the crisis in the community.

At Canada Post, an upcoming review will examine branching out into new types of business to help fund mail delivery across Canada, Public Services and Procurement Minister Judy Foote revealed yesterday. While testifying before Parliament�s Government Operations committee, she said any return of home mail delivery service will depend on what the crown corporation can afford to provide. Our Elizabeth Thompson has that story.

A pending federal review of the Temporary Foreign Worker Program will be completed by the fall, as that�s when companies will be looking to make further applications, says Employment, Workforce Development and Labour Minister MaryAnn Mihychuk. As our Kelsey Johnson reports, she didn�t say when the review will begin.

Given that �Canada and the United States armed forces are as about as interoperable as you can imagine,� U.S. deputy secretary of defence Robert Work says they�re awaiting Canada�s decision on the F-35 fighter. He told CBC�s Rosemary Barton that they�re not trying to pressure the decision in any way. "We'd like to know, we're anxious to know, where exactly will you go so we can start to plan together.� He also noted that of the 66 countries in the coalition fighting ISIS, �Canada punches well above its weight.�

Meanwhile, one of the leading contenders to replace Canada�s aging fleet of fighter jets says it believes the Trudeau government�s emphasis on North American air defence will stand in good stead once the competition is launched. CP�s Murrary Brewster has that story from the folks at Boeing who want to get things going.

Here and There:

In Washington, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau meets with President Barack Obama this morning and lays a wreath at Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. He�ll take questions from students at American University and attend a Canada 2020 luncheon before meeting with the president of the World Bank.
In Levis, Quebec's environmental review agency holds hearings into the Energy East project.
Statistics Canada releases the national balance sheet and financial flow accounts for the fourth quarter and the labour force survey for February.
NDP MP Nathan Cullen discusses the details of his proposed plan for the democratic reform process.
Daily question period in the House of Commons gets underway at 11:15 a.m.
The Toronto Conference on Germany-Leadership under Pressure. Green Party leader Elizabeth May and Ontario Environment and Climate Change Minister Glen Murray participate in a panel discussion, Leading Climate Change Policy Post-COP XXI.

Last night�s Republican debate may have been the last chance to stop Donald Trump from running away with the GOP nomination. But his opponents didn't even really seem to try. Although he and Ted Cruz clashed over how to bring more balance into free trade, the night was �relatively free of the gut-punching attacks that have dominated past encounters.� Heading into votes in Florida and Ohio on Super Tuesday 3, even Trump remarked on how different the fireworks-free forum felt. "I cannot believe how civil it's been up here." Here�s CNN�s five takeaways.

Word is former candidate Ben Carson is going to throw his support behind Trump this morning.

�A former aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin, who was found dead in the US last year, died of blunt force trauma to the head, officials say. Mikhail Lesin also had blunt force injuries to the neck, torso, arms and legs, Washington DC's chief medical examiner said after a post-mortem. The 57-year-old was found at the city's Dupont Circle hotel.� The BBC has more.

�UN experts say the political and security vacuum in Libya has been exacerbated by the Islamic State group which has significantly expanded its control over territory in the conflict-torn country.� A report to the Security Council says �all parties in the conflict are continuing to receive illicit arms transfers, some with support from member countries.�

In Featured Opinion this morning:

Anybody who wins a general election campaign can tell you that the euphoria only lasts as long as the average hangover � and that the worst part of dividing up the spoils is dealing with those disputing the size of the portions.
Michael Harris gives us a rare glimpse tonight of the messier aspects of federal cabinet-making. In an exclusive report, he tells us about a secret audio recording of Liberal backbencher Francesco Sorbara � the man who took down Julian Fantino � complaining about the lack of seats for Italian-Canadians in Trudeau's freshman cabinet.
Tasha Kheiriddin checks in with the New Democrats, who are experiencing post-election buyer's remorse whenever they compare Tom Mulcair with leftist firebrand Bernie Sanders � the guy who's teaching Americans that 'socialism' doesn't make you go blind.
And, we welcome back Tolga Bilener of Istanbul's Galatasaray University, explaining why the Trudeau government's expansion of its training mission in Kurdish Iraq is prodding a raw nerve within the Turkish government.

Finally this morning, out of the mouths of babes: An eight-year-old writes Donald Trump to tell him why he shouldn�t be president.

Have yourself a great day.
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International

North Korean leader Kim orders more nuclear tests: KCNA (Reuters)
Paul Ryan doesn't take kindly to effort to draft him as Republican candidate (CBC News)
Trump turns up heat on Cruz in Florida debate (Toronto Star)

National

Obamas welcome Trudeaus for White House state dinner (iPolitics)
F-35 rival upbeat with Trudeau Liberal signals on defence priorities (Canadian Press)
Diane Bellemare forme son caucus d�ind�pendants [Bellemare forms independent caucus] (Le Devoir)
Liberals open to change on compensation plans for Mounties (Toronto Star)
Unmuzzled scientists ask Trudeau to not reuse 'draconian' rules (Huffington Post)
ISIS paperwork reveals names of 6 Canadians (CBC News)

Atlantic

NS premier wants Ottawa to set Quebec yard straight on who builds ships (Canadian Press)
NDP removes Saskatchewan election candidate over Facebook post (Canadian Press)

Quebec

P�ladeau r�clame des excuses � Couillard [Peladeau requests apology from Couillard] (Le Devoir)

Alberta

Alberta government turfs three Thorhild councillors, appoints administrator (Edmonton Sun)

British Columbia

B.C. premier cheers moves to negotiate softwood lumber pact (Canadian Press)

# ? Mar 11, 2016 12:20

Kafka Esq.: Jan 1, 2005; "If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

Recently, a cache of ISIS intelligence - essentially raw recruitment files - was passed on to Five Eyes to look at. It's not wholly trusted (some strange mistakes and misspellings are casting doubt), but it does have a half dozen Canadian names. I think this is something that will be difficult for Canadians to swallow, but there is little precedent for alleged supporters of foreign militias to be stripped of passports and citizenship, even those as vile as ISIS. It violates several tenets of due process. The Liberals have vowed to repeal C-24, but have not actually announced the proposed replacement. We do need a replacement, because current law is not robust enough. However, Trudeau's commitment during one of the debates to prosecute is fairly admirable.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 13:01

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

A number of these guys are dead, and they were all (except one) already known to be ISIS supporters, no?

I don't think it changes much.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 14:30

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Is APTN run by ex-conservative staffers or something? They're putting up a ton of stuff that is not Sunny Ways.

http://aptn.ca/news/2016/03/11/indigenous-affairs-minister-bennett-avoid-questions-on-education-promise/

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Officials at Indigenous Affairs are continuing to block questions to Minister Carolyn Bennett on the fate of her party�s $2.6 billion promise on First Nation education which was based on money that didn�t exist.

On Thursday, a story based on an anonymous government source surfaced saying the Liberals failed to find the expected money to fund the First Nation education election promise.

In an interview following her appearance before the Commons Aboriginal affairs committee, Bennett refused to answer questions from an APTN National News reporter on whether the Liberal government found the expected left-over funds on which the party based its education promise.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 16:37

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Pinterest Mom posted:

THC's right - much (most is my sense) of the institutional NDP prefers Sanders to Clinton.

I mostly don't have faith in Bernie's capacity to govern, both personally and institutionally, and the presidency is a purely executive office.

Personally, he has a streak of with-us-or-against-us-itis where he and his campaign are often really quick to impugn dark motives to groups and people who ought to be his natural allies when they don't support him (see Planned Parenthood/that latina activist they slagged), and I'm afraid he surrounds himself with true believers and alienates potential allies too much. He's slow to adapt his language and seems uninterested in learning about issues beyond his core issues (last month, six months after the BLM protests prompted his campaign to change how it talks about race, he still answered "how will you make race relations better" with "we'll put the billionaires in jail"!) Hillary's been a lot better on those two fronts - 30 years of juggling diverse interests and stakeholders prepares you for the presidency better than 30 years of lobbing grenades from outside the system.

Institutionally, I just don't think there's an infrastructure for a left president to be successful, and I think the american left is being wrong-headed in pursuing a presidency-first strategy and hoping to replace a liberal with a social democrat at the top of the ticket. I know you agree with me on this - you don't move politics left from within the electoral system, you do it from outside. It doesn't do you any good to elect a president who believes in free college when he's not going to have support from Congress (including much of his own party!), from the states, or even from an activist student movement. I guess I discount his policy positions because of that: single payer's nice, but it's not going to happen. 15$/hour is nice, but it's not going to happen. Free tuition is nice, but it's not going to happen. Legislative outcomes aren't going to start moving left just because Sanders is in the White House instead of Clinton.

So when you look at the presidency, my sense is that Clinton would be better at staffing the Labor and Justice departments, better at recognizing and acting on opportunities to use executive action, better at appointing judges. Sanders would get help here, of course, but I just don't think he's interested in the nitty-gritty details of governing.

Of course, Clinton has terrible foreign policy judgement, so you have to weigh your sense of the risk she'll make a huge blunder with your sense of how much more competent she'd be. I can understand coming to a different conclusion than me.

I have to disagree strongly with a bunch of these points. I don't have a problem with your first paragraph: yes, Bernie tends to surround himself with those who think like him, and he's old and has been saying the same lines for so long that it's taking him some time to come around to new movements like BLM, whereas Clinton is much more skilled at pivoting to appeal to numerous diverse groups at once. That's an undeniable fact and I agree.

Institutionally, there isn't an infrastructure in place for a left-wing president, which is exactly Sanders' point. He's been repeatedly telling his supporters, at rallies and in ads, that he can't do this alone and electing him to the presidency will accomplish nothing if there isn't a widespread and sustained, long-term political movement backing his left-wing reforms. That's why he keeps talking about a political revolution, because the whole point of his campaign is to create a mass movement in society that will place pressure on American electoral politics from the left the same way the Tea Party places pressure on American electoral politics from the right.

All those policies you talk about--single payer, $15/hr minimum wage, free tuition, etc.--are impossible in US politics as they currently stand. But frankly, the problem with the North American left at the moment (I would say all of the Western left but I think we're seeing the beginnings of a move away from this in Europe) is that we don't dream big. We don't propose big social changes any more, because we've been taken over by Very Serious People who believe so strongly in incrementalism that they run campaigns based on ATM fees and balanced budgets instead of expanding the welfare state. This also goes hand-in-hand with the left's foreign policy circles being taken over by hawks. Look at the contrast between Corbyn and the Blairites in Britain if Sanders and Clinton isn't a big enough contrast for you, the Blairites are legitimately shocked that left-wing pacifists exist when they've spent the last 20 years arguing that bombing everyone who looks at the West funny is the solution to all problems.

Frankly, the problem I have with your post is that incrementalism doesn't build social movements, and social movements are what achieve real change. The Tea Party is a social movement, and it achieved real change over the last six years. We may hate that change, but they have accomplished a lot, from stopping every legislative proposal put forward by Obama and the Democrats since 2010 to massive, sweeping state-level abortion restrictions in red states. That's the kind of power a social movement has. And we don't have that on the left, and Clinton is not going to build one. Universal healthcare, free tuition, and a $15/hr minimum wage may be impossible under Sanders, but his prominence in arguing for those issues and in building a movement that fights for those issues is to be commended, because it will lay the foundation for future US leaders to actually pass those reforms. That will not happen under Clinton because she's not even arguing for those policies, so of course she's not building a movement to fight for them. Frankly, the way to achieve the kind of large changes our society needs to recover from thirty years of neoliberalism is by asking for a mile and taking a foot, not by asking for a foot and taking an inch.

This is of course ignoring Clinton's disastrous record on foreign policy and international trade, which Sanders would be a marked improvement on and which is entirely an executive branch function.

The crux of this matter comes down to asking "What is the purpose of the left wing?" Why do we exist? You're making an argument, and this is also the argument that the NDP has been making for the last few years in every election where they think they have a shot (so, not Alberta), that the point of the left wing is to be slightly more competent administrators than the right wing, and to follow the gradual progressive change of society rather than fighting against it. The argument that Sanders is making and that the left wing of the NDP is making, is that the point of the left wing is to advocate and fight for fundamental progressive change in society, to have the state lead society forward rather than following it from behind--essentially, to build social movements for progressive causes rather than simply following the social movements that already exist. If there isn't a social movement that lets you pass a $15 minimum wage, then build one. Don't just point to the lack of a movement, throw up your hands, and say "but hey, we can make progress on the backs of the gay marriage and BLM movements that sprang fully formed out of the ether". For an example of this, just look at Clinton vs. Sanders on gay rights--Clinton has come around to gay rights because society changes its views and she's gone along with it. Sanders has been fighting for gay rights in Congress for decades, since before the country decided gay people were deserving of the same rights as everyone else.

This is a fundamental disagreement over what is the point of progressive politics, and I think it speaks to the problems a lot of people in this thread have with the NDP. We want them to advocate actual change the way Tommy Douglas did in the 60s, which gave us large parts of the Canadian welfare state even though we never had Prime Minister Douglas. We don't want Thomas "I'm a slightly more competent executive than either of those other guys" Mulcair.

This is, of course, not to say that I wouldn't vote for Clinton or Mulcair. I voted NDP in the last election and if I were eligible to vote in America I would vote for Clinton over any of the disastrous Republican candidates in the general, but I don't buy your argument at all that Sanders won't pass his policies so therefore we should choose the person who won't even attempt them. I think that kind of argument is actively harmful to left-wing causes.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 16:53

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

vyelkin posted:

This is, of course, not to say that I wouldn't vote for Clinton or Mulcair. I voted NDP in the last election and if I were eligible to vote in America I would vote for Clinton over any of the disastrous Republican candidates in the general, but I don't buy your argument at all that Sanders won't pass his policies so therefore we should choose the person who won't even attempt them. I think that kind of argument is actively harmful to left-wing causes.

I'd vote for the ghost of Karl Marx over any of the Republican candidates, though. I mean, between someone I'm ideologically opposed to and someone I think could be legitimately insane and/or mentally enfeebled (the entire Republican field at this point), I'll pick the sane person every time, no matter how much I disagree with them.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 17:23

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Ikantski posted:

Is APTN run by ex-conservative staffers or something? They're putting up a ton of stuff that is not Sunny Ways.

http://aptn.ca/news/2016/03/11/indigenous-affairs-minister-bennett-avoid-questions-on-education-promise/

Apparently all MPs run and hide like children when things aren't going their way

# ? Mar 11, 2016 17:27

Panama Red: Jul 30, 2003; Only in America could you find a way to earn a healthy buck and still keep your attitude on self destruct

Your busted-rear end Zach Braff-looking Prime Minister just spoke at my university. He said some poo poo about being a feminist and had the undergrads swooning, which is ironic because my university just got slammed for hitting a sexual assault victim with a gag order

He basically pumped out platitudes like a fortune cookie factory, including about the environment, which is also ironic since he supports Keystone XL and David Suzuki called him a "twerp", and about education, which is triple ironic because half my library is literally off limits because he's speaking next door

Please take back your bad politicians, we have too many here as it is

# ? Mar 11, 2016 17:50

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

A condemnation from David Suzuki is what we call praise round these parts.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 17:54

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Panama Red posted:

Your busted-rear end Zach Braff-looking Prime Minister just spoke at my university. He said some poo poo about being a feminist and had the undergrads swooning, which is ironic because my university just got slammed for hitting a sexual assault victim with a gag order

He basically pumped out platitudes like a fortune cookie factory, including about the environment, which is also ironic since he supports Keystone XL and David Suzuki called him a "twerp", and about education, which is triple ironic because half my library is literally off limits because he's speaking next door

Please take back your bad politicians, we have too many here as it is

# ? Mar 11, 2016 17:55

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

Panama Red posted:

He said some poo poo about being a feminist

Sorry, do you think being a feminist a bad thing?

# ? Mar 11, 2016 18:03

Tan Dumplord: Mar 9, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

Well, it's okay to BE a feminist, but as soon as you talk about it, you're just being insufferable.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 18:04

Marijuana Nihilist: Aug 27, 2015; by Smythe

CLAM DOWN posted:

Sorry, do you think being a feminist a bad thing?

looks like school didnt do anything for your reading comprehension

# ? Mar 11, 2016 18:06

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

CLAM DOWN posted:

Sorry, do you think being a feminist a bad thing?

Men need to be comfortable calling themselves feminists... It's 2016 guys.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 18:07

InfiniteZero: Sep 11, 2004; PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT; College Slice

Panama Red posted:

Your busted-rear end Zach Braff-looking Prime Minister just spoke at my university. He said some poo poo about being a feminist and had the undergrads swooning, which is ironic because my university just got slammed for hitting a sexual assault victim with a gag order

I don't understand what is ironic about an outside speaker having a belief system that doesn't fall in line with the actions of your university administration.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 18:26

more like dICK: Feb 15, 2010; This is inevitable.

It's like rain on your wedding day.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 18:36

cheese sandwich: Feb 9, 2009

InfiniteZero posted:

I don't understand what is ironic about an outside speaker having a belief system that doesn't fall in line with the actions of your university administration.

It's American irony, not real irony.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 18:37

Tsyni: Sep 1, 2004; Lipstick Apathy

Ikantski posted:

Men need to be comfortable calling themselves feminists... It's 2016 guys.

I prefer egalitarian :smug:

# ? Mar 11, 2016 18:43

Brannock: Feb 9, 2006; by exmarx; Fallen Rib

CLAM DOWN posted:

Sorry, do you think being a feminist a bad thing?

drat, that was a nice callout. You seem like an extremely progressive and respectful person. What's your twitter so I can follow you?

# ? Mar 11, 2016 18:57

Panama Red: Jul 30, 2003; Only in America could you find a way to earn a healthy buck and still keep your attitude on self destruct

y'all need to reanimate jack layton and then conquer/annex the US please

otherwise american refugees will soon be streaming to cape breton

# ? Mar 11, 2016 19:01

cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

Panama Red posted:

Your busted-rear end Zach Braff-looking Prime Minister just spoke at my university. He said some poo poo about being a feminist and had the undergrads swooning, which is ironic because my university just got slammed for hitting a sexual assault victim with a gag order

He basically pumped out platitudes like a fortune cookie factory, including about the environment, which is also ironic since he supports Keystone XL and David Suzuki called him a "twerp", and about education, which is triple ironic because half my library is literally off limits because he's speaking next door

Please take back your bad politicians, we have too many here as it is

It works better if you literally clear your mind of all knowledge so you can better approximate a low information Canadian voter. Your actual knowledge of basic concepts is allowing you to see through the cynical Liberal strategy.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 19:03

BattleMaster: Aug 14, 2000

Brannock posted:

drat, that was a nice callout. You seem like an extremely progressive and respectful person. What's your twitter so I can follow you?

What is this response???

# ? Mar 11, 2016 19:30

Eox: Jun 20, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

Why does Facebook mobile notify me every time Trudeau does a livestream

# ? Mar 11, 2016 19:39

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Eox posted:

Why does Facebook mobile notify me every time Trudeau does a livestream

You 'liked' him at some point, or are 'following' him.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 19:43

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

Brannock posted:

drat, that was a nice callout. You seem like an extremely progressive and respectful person. What's your twitter so I can follow you?

This is a really weird reply, but if you're interested in twitter, this is CI's: https://www.twitter.com/richmondchinese

# ? Mar 11, 2016 20:03

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Panama Red posted:

Your busted-rear end Zach Braff-looking Prime Minister just spoke at my university. He said some poo poo about being a feminist and had the undergrads swooning, which is ironic because my university just got slammed for hitting a sexual assault victim with a gag order

He basically pumped out platitudes like a fortune cookie factory, including about the environment, which is also ironic since he supports Keystone XL and David Suzuki called him a "twerp", and about education, which is triple ironic because half my library is literally off limits because he's speaking next door

Please take back your bad politicians, we have too many here as it is

You know this thread is normally pretty quick to criticize the liberals and our vacuous selfie-taker-in-chief but if there's one thing that drives Canadians apoplectic it is being criticized by Americans, and the last fuckin thing any of us can handle is an American slagging one of our politicians. YOU ELECTED BUSH YOU LIKE TRUMP THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EXISTS DON'T YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE MORE loving POLITE THAN YOU, MORE RATIONAL AND OH YEAH WE HAVE HEALTHCARE! HEALTHCARE GOD drat IT! YOU RACIST YANKEE HICK WE BURNED THE GOD drat WHITE HOUSE WE WON 1812 AAAAAAARGH!" gently caress

# ? Mar 11, 2016 21:26

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

americans Americans Americans Americans Americans AMERICANS

# ? Mar 11, 2016 21:29

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Put Hilary in the GOP race, their electorate wouldn't notice a difference.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 21:32

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Helsing posted:

americans Americans Americans Americans Americans AMERICANS

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# ? Mar 11, 2016 21:33

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Helsing posted:

You know this thread is normally pretty quick to criticize the liberals and our vacuous selfie-taker-in-chief but if there's one thing that drives Canadians apoplectic it is being criticized by Americans, and the last fuckin thing any of us can handle is an American slagging one of our politicians. YOU ELECTED BUSH YOU LIKE TRUMP THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EXISTS DON'T YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE MORE loving POLITE THAN YOU, MORE RATIONAL AND OH YEAH WE HAVE HEALTHCARE! HEALTHCARE GOD drat IT! YOU RACIST YANKEE HICK WE BURNED THE GOD drat WHITE HOUSE WE WON 1812 AAAAAAARGH!" gently caress

If I was going to criticize Americans I would just say Obama and Trudeau are 1 in the same. The outward appearance of progressive politics, but the same corporate lapdogs. Also we burned the White House down at some point.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 21:39

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Pinterest Mom posted:

THC's right - much (most is my sense) of the institutional NDP prefers Sanders to Clinton.

I mostly don't have faith in Bernie's capacity to govern, both personally and institutionally, and the presidency is a purely executive office.

Personally, he has a streak of with-us-or-against-us-itis where he and his campaign are often really quick to impugn dark motives to groups and people who ought to be his natural allies when they don't support him (see Planned Parenthood/that latina activist they slagged), and I'm afraid he surrounds himself with true believers and alienates potential allies too much. He's slow to adapt his language and seems uninterested in learning about issues beyond his core issues (last month, six months after the BLM protests prompted his campaign to change how it talks about race, he still answered "how will you make race relations better" with "we'll put the billionaires in jail"!) Hillary's been a lot better on those two fronts - 30 years of juggling diverse interests and stakeholders prepares you for the presidency better than 30 years of lobbing grenades from outside the system.

Institutionally, I just don't think there's an infrastructure for a left president to be successful, and I think the american left is being wrong-headed in pursuing a presidency-first strategy and hoping to replace a liberal with a social democrat at the top of the ticket. I know you agree with me on this - you don't move politics left from within the electoral system, you do it from outside. It doesn't do you any good to elect a president who believes in free college when he's not going to have support from Congress (including much of his own party!), from the states, or even from an activist student movement. I guess I discount his policy positions because of that: single payer's nice, but it's not going to happen. 15$/hour is nice, but it's not going to happen. Free tuition is nice, but it's not going to happen. Legislative outcomes aren't going to start moving left just because Sanders is in the White House instead of Clinton.

So when you look at the presidency, my sense is that Clinton would be better at staffing the Labor and Justice departments, better at recognizing and acting on opportunities to use executive action, better at appointing judges. Sanders would get help here, of course, but I just don't think he's interested in the nitty-gritty details of governing.

Of course, Clinton has terrible foreign policy judgement, so you have to weigh your sense of the risk she'll make a huge blunder with your sense of how much more competent she'd be. I can understand coming to a different conclusion than me.

Well I appreciate you taking the time to answer in some detail and I should emphasize that I wouldn't have bothered to bring this up if I didn't generally respect your political opinions (despite a fair amount of disagreement on the particulars).

I have to say though very little of what you've written here makes sense or rings true to me. I feel as though everything Hilary represents is not only a failed strategy, but a strategy that has actively been making things worse. I just cannot conceive how any lefty leaning or progressive individual could want someone with so much baggage, or could essentially want a continuation of the Obama administration. Clinton's relationship with Wall Street, her continuous advocacy for the TPP (which, on its own, would probably be one of the worst things to happen to America / Canada in 30 years), her criminal foreign policy (which is so much worse than even you allude to), her track record in the Clinton administration.

I don't look at the Democratic race and see two different flavors of progressiveness. I see someone who, whatever their flaws, talks about mobilizing a grassroots movement to effect substantive change, and on the other hand I see someone who has actively helped to overthrow democratic governments, who is extremely close to Wall Street and the military industrial complex, and whose attitudes s and biography embody everything wrong with the Democratic party. I would far prefer no governance to Clinton's version of governance.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 21:44

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

American, campaigned for presidency, the Canadian National Igloo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFgPX0hnNfA&t=536s

# ? Mar 11, 2016 21:49

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

DariusLikewise posted:

If I was going to criticize Americans I would just say Obama and Trudeau are 1 in the same. The outward appearance of progressive politics, but the same corporate lapdogs. Also we burned the White House down at some point.

So far as I know Trudeau never signed off on any orders to assassinate teenagers, has never bragged about being good at killing, and has never gone to a meeting of nervous Wall Street execs, right after they crashed the economy, to declare that he was on their side and was the only thing standing "Between them and the pitch forks."

On the other hand I find that whereas Obama comes off as a conservative in liberal clothing, Trudeau just comes off to me as kinda clueless and stupid. With Obama I get the sense that, while he was shockingly naive about how the Republicans would treat him, the real issue isn't that he's naive but rather that he's just drank very deeply from the neoliberal coolaid (he even admits he would have been a moderate Republican in the 1980s). With Trudeau, on the other hand, I just can't shake the sense that he's really not all that bright.

I know this is a pretty shallow political analysis, "Trudeau is dumb, lol" but I've never been able to shake it. Every time the guy opens his mouth I can't stop thinking "what a loving doofus this guy is, how did he get elected?"

EDIT -- Loving the new world filter

# ? Mar 11, 2016 21:49

more like dICK: Feb 15, 2010; This is inevitable.

Canadians hate muslims and harper and that's how Trudeau got elected. It has nothing to do with his actual merits as a leader.

# ? Mar 11, 2016 21:54

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Helsing posted:

So far as I know Trudeau never signed off on any orders to assassinate teenagers, has never bragged about being good at killing, and has never gone to a meeting of nervous Wall Street execs, right after they crashed the economy, to declare that he was on their side and was the only thing standing "Between them and the pitch forks."

The guy entered the political spotlight by punching a native in the face for 15 minutes and now he's tripling our boots on the ground in Syria and appointed the ex-chair of CD Howe as Minister of Finance.

Postess with the Mostest fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Mar 11, 2016

# ? Mar 11, 2016 21:59

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

Ikantski posted:

The guy entered the political spotlight by punching a native in the face for 15 minutes and now he's tripling our boots on the ground in Syria and appointed the ex-chair of CD Howe as Minister of Finance.

Yeah but they're outflanking the NDP from the left!!!1! :suicide:

# ? Mar 11, 2016 22:05

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