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botany posted:Yeah they're noit conservative by any meaning of the word. That's why I qualified what I said. Feel free to respond to my other post! Edit: Would you say it's fair to call CDU conservative?
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GaussianCopula posted:The Greens in Ba-Wü? If you disregard their school and LGBT policy they stand for nearly the same policies the CDU stands for and a lot of people don't care that much about LGBT issues in Germany. yeah if you disregard all their not-conservative policies they seem conservative. good job. bronin posted:They are neo liberal cunts. Also Afghanistan. gently caress them. neo liberalism is not conservatism. elbkaida posted:That's why I qualified what I said. Feel free to respond to my other post! elbkaida posted:They are progressive socially and yeah the CDU is conservative.
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# ? Mar 13, 2016 22:38 |
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Greens are the least bad party in Germany. Still not great.
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# ? Mar 13, 2016 23:14 |
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Welcome, dear Germans, to the political reality that I, a Swiss citizen, have inhabited for many years. Prepare for unabated right-wing idiocy and (even more) existential despair.
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Fun times ahead indeed.
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Wengy posted:Welcome, dear Germans, to the political reality that I, a Swiss citizen, have inhabited for many years. Prepare for unabated right-wing idiocy and (even more) existential despair. Why is Switzerland so insanely racist anyways? Something in the water? You'd think all the cosmopolitan internationalism and infinitely varied dictators and capitalists coming to stash their money would make you more open to the world but I guess not?
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icantfindaname posted:Why is Switzerland so insanely racist anyways? Something in the water? You'd think all the cosmopolitan internationalism and infinitely varied dictators and capitalists coming to stash their money would make you more open to the world but I guess not? All the places that actually feature "internationalism" - i. e. an actual foreigner might pop up - are staunchly left-wing. For example, in the national elections last October, the social democrats (significantly to the left of the German SPD) and the greens combined garnered a solid 50% of the votes in my city - which has also been governed by a red-green coalition for the past 25 years. However, visit the countryside and all bets are off.
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Wengy posted:Welcome, dear Germans, to the political reality that I, a Swiss citizen, have inhabited for many years. Prepare for unabated right-wing idiocy and (even more) existential despair. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mxitw5DjwE
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# ? Mar 14, 2016 00:33 |
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Dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed It was us all along
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icantfindaname posted:Why is Switzerland so insanely racist anyways? Something in the water? You'd think all the cosmopolitan internationalism and infinitely varied dictators and capitalists coming to stash their money would make you more open to the world but I guess not? White people with lots of guns that collaborated with the Nazis. It's not typically a winning combination.
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computer parts posted:White people with lots of guns that collaborated with the Nazis. It's not typically a winning combination. Now, now Let's not forget about the many generations of inbreeding
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niethan posted:There's this Just skimmed this. Some highlights
All in all I think that the program pretty accurately reflects the origin of the AfD as a melting pot of dissappointed voters from political camps all over the spectrum, with a hard turn to the right later on. This also means plenty of internal contradictions, especially when it comes to the question of surveillance vs. liberty and sending soldiers overseas vs. not getting involved. One or two almost reasonable points drown in a sea of poo poo, and it's obvious that they're taking a lot of inspiration both from the GOP and from Putin's Russia.
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# ? Mar 14, 2016 11:30 |
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why can't The Left capitalize on the current situation why can't they
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# ? Mar 14, 2016 12:05 |
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quote:Islam is "not a party of Germany". No minarets and no muezzins, no muslim bodies as statutory corporations, no burqa und niqab, ... This one sounds pretty good to me, but replace Germany with Europe.
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jonnypeh posted:This one sounds pretty good to me, but replace Germany with Europe.
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System Metternich posted:Just skimmed this. Some highlights Outside of their core issues, this reminds me a lot of the Pirtaenpartei, i.e. basically a collection of way to many to many, partially contradictory goals and ideas that will break apart as soon as the uniting principle, refugees, is no longer the number one problem. I think we can prepare for Lucke 2.0 edit: Especially their family policies are basically so fringe to the entire rest of Germany that I can't imagine it nor hurting them. When was the last time abortion or single parents were actually addressed during elections? e X fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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lllllllllllllllllll posted:why can't The Left capitalize on the current situation why can't they Yeah it boggles my mind how the left loses while the AfD wins the support of lower income votes when most of the proposed policies are basically fygm, give everything to the top 10%. But who am I kidding, this is Germany. It basically boils down to "dem Browns bad"
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lllllllllllllllllll posted:why can't The Left capitalize on the current situation why can't they Idk the left parties seem to have completely lost touch with their supposed core voters. Looking at the stats, AfD is extremely far ahaed of Linke in the demographics of workers or jobless people. In Sachsen-Anhalt or Baden-Württemberg the same is true for SPD. Another interesting thing to see is that AfD managed to get a lot of Nichtwähler to turn out and snatched up a big portion of people voting 'other'. 75% of the current AfD voters being protest voters sheds some real doubts about the longterm viability though... Edit: A similar thing is going on in the UK with UKIP vs Labour btw, where low-income voters run away from the traditional wokring man's party.
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edit: nevermind, delete this post please. gently caress too late jonnypeh fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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jonnypeh posted:I don't have an issue with them from aesthetic standpoint, it's their functions that irk me. I hope that then you're also for the demolition of church spires and bells and for forcing monks and nuns to don streetwear, otherwise ask Lucy Heartfilia for a new avatar and System Metternich fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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bronin posted:Yeah it boggles my mind how the left loses while the AfD wins the support of lower income votes when most of the proposed policies are basically fygm, give everything to the top 10%.
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Holy poo poo Metternich, you left out one of the best points: Die aktuelle Verengung der deutschen Erinnerungskultur auf die Zeit des Nationalsozialismus ist zugunsten einer erweiterten Geschichtsbetrachtung aufzubrechen
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^^^ wow, how could I miss that? Apparently (per my father) they also want orchestras to only play sophisticated music proper to the sensible German ear and not that post-1880-poo poo. Entartete Kunst, anyone? ^^^Simply Simon posted:You don't need to be this cynical. This thread is the first time I and many other people even heard about the AfD having a program besides "gently caress refugees amirite", nobody who voted for them knows they are pro-life climate change denier supernuttos besides the nazi poo poo. I won't argue that a good portion of their voters will overlook those stances or even in sheer idiocy welcome them, but for this election, they got elected because Merkel Bad and that's it. An internationally renowned music journalist who has travelled the globe a lot during past decades and who is facebook friends with my father has recently posted tons of islamophobic and "Merkel Bad!" (he only calls her "die Hosenanzugträgerin") stuff. The reason for this is apparently that he once had a bad breakup with a Muslim girl System Metternich fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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System Metternich posted:I hope that then you're also for the demolition of church spires and bells and for forcing monks and nuns to don streetwear, otherwise ask Lucy Heartfilia for a new avatar and To be honest, i have no beef with spires, minarets, and any kind of clothes, but i'm all for outlawing bells, muezzins and the regular Kundgebungen down my street, since that stuff is simply Ruhestörung.
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I also really like that they want less single parents, but also make access to abortions more difficult. fake edit: quote:6. Lebensrecht: Willkommenskultur für Neu- und Ungeborene e X fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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icantfindaname posted:How are the Greens conservatives? Is this just some contrarian "all politicians are the same maaaaan"? They're NIMBY-ist anti-nuclear people, right? They're not capital C conservatives but have drifted into the same bland zone as the SPD and CDU (but with outdated ideas on environmentalism and token social justice!). A Spießbürgerpartei with green characteristics if you will. lllllllllllllllllll posted:why can't The Left capitalize on the current situation why can't they In addition to the things already mentioned by other people, because the left is now engaged in a circular firing squad instead of constantly beating the drum about basic issues. tl;dr: Riso posted:die Partei ist sehr gut.
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Nice Zeit article on why the AfD is gaining popularity: http://www.zeit.de/2016/12/alternative-fuer-deutschland-waehler-profil-afd-uwe-junge/komplettansicht There is really nothing that we didn't already know. Like with the Tea Party, their main vector of infection is isolating people in insane online echo chambers and drowning out any counter arguments and reality. There is literally no way to reach them with facts or common sense, because they denounce traditional media as Lügenpresse/Lamestream media. It's pretty bad and we are only about 4-5 years behind the US on these developments. If the trend continues, German Trump should be here around 2020.
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Mithaldu posted:To be honest, i have no beef with spires, minarets, and any kind of clothes, but i'm all for outlawing bells, muezzins and the regular Kundgebungen down my street, since that stuff is simply Ruhestörung. Maybe it's because I'm a Bavarian Catholic, but come on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYNnGXoAS4M this is the good poo poo. unironically beautiful and uplifting imo
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Mithaldu posted:To be honest, i have no beef with spires, minarets, and any kind of clothes, but i'm all for outlawing bells, muezzins and the regular Kundgebungen down my street, since that stuff is simply Ruhestörung. You sound like you're 80 years old.
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waitwhatno posted:Lügenpresse/Lamestream System Metternich posted:Maybe it's because I'm a Bavarian Catholic, but come on Also, seriously, if you must have bells, do poo poo like the Hannover Aegidienkirche and don't just jangle your dingles like you're shaking your pants. http://marktkirche-hannover.de/wp-content/uploads/MK_Aegi_Glockenspiel.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhKBUbR25yo botany posted:You sound like you're 80 years old.
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Mithaldu posted:I find it funny that this is a recent topic when the Bild has existed for basically ever. Bild isn't Lügenpresse because Bild is the newspaper of the uneducated people,
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blowfish posted:Bild isn't Lügenpresse because Bild is the newspaper of the uneducated people,
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# ? Mar 14, 2016 13:31 |
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Cingulate posted:Bild has been about as anti-AfD and Pegida as everybody else. Yeah, but AfD and Pegida didn't shout at the top of their lungs about the evils of Bild when the Lügenpresse bullshit began.
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# ? Mar 14, 2016 13:35 |
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If you've got some time to burn, then you could do worse than reading this ZEIT Online article about the people that vote AfD and the role of social media in the party's rise, it's really good.
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quote:Removing the "public" part in public broadcast, turning them into private enterprises. Instead they want two radio and two TV broadcasting stations wholly financed by taxes (and entirely controlled by the state, I'm guessing) Are you seriously suggesting public tv in Germany is not state controlled? Besides current public tv is hardly different from private these days so why bother keeping it around. Some interesting alternate proposal I read to get documentaries, political shows etc into private channels is to simply have the state have a bidding to finance a show on a topic and the best proposal submitted will be funded.
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So is Pegida under observation by the BfV? And if NPD and, for whatever outdated reason, die Linke are under scrutiny, when will it happen to AfD?
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System Metternich posted:If you've got some time to burn, then you could do worse than reading this ZEIT Online article about the people that vote AfD and the role of social media in the party's rise, it's really good. Oh my god, that Rödel guy they open the article with is really a top goon. Expressing his dissatisfaction through a series of (formally rather sketchy) logical equations.
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yep, those are, uh, formulas
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# ? Mar 14, 2016 14:41 |
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At least we don't live in a two party system were a nutty but activist base can actually capture one of the two. And the refugee crisis seems to basically wind down for us, thanks to Austria and the Balkan countries who closed their borders. The inevitable collapse of Greece will probably remain contained enough to not rock the boat too much, all important actors had many years to prepare for it. So the Greeks are hosed, and the AfD will probably lose enough support that they will likely shrink to the size of the FDP, which allows the other mainstream parties to return to business as usual. I also can't imagine that outright racism will become much worse, the younger generations are a lot more diverse than all the old geezers that vote AfD. At least in West Germany. Meanwhile, the SPD loses support among working class people for reasons that will always mystify me. Mindestlohn ist anscheinend eine Idee der CDU oder so...
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System Metternich posted:this is the good poo poo. unironically beautiful and uplifting imo Lmao this is the most annoying poo poo I've heard in a long time.
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