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AnonSpore posted:What's the name for the headcondom thing that Electric Supes and Gambit have going? I think "head sock" is the most common term.
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redbackground posted:I think "head sock" is the most common term. Headwarmer. Socks shouldn't have more than one hole in them.
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Gaz-L posted:Headwarmer. Socks shouldn't have more than one hole in them. Okay Mr. 1%, whatever you say.
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Toshimo posted:JLA #15 Spectre #51 did it first though:  
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There was also a Batman story where Joker had temporary sanity from bathing in a Lazarus Pit. He had a more sobered expression of self-hatred and regret. Then there's the Fernus the Burning story in JLA where a corrupted J'onn decided to force sanity on everyone at Arkham and all the villains wallowed in guilt while Batman cracked a smile.
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Gavok posted:There was also a Batman story where Joker had temporary sanity from bathing in a Lazarus Pit. He had a more sobered expression of self-hatred and regret. There's also the end of that really lovely Kevin Smith Batman where the joker's in the hospital and he's "sane" cos they put him on meds.
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Mar 14, 2016 20:50
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In New Gotham Adventures (I think), the comic written as a continuation of the animated series universe, Joker was One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nested into a pacifist, law-abiding weak willed simpleton. Harley eventually snapped him out of it.
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And in the justice lords episode, Superman had lobotomized the inmates at Arkham, Joker included, and they were all completely docile. Never really went into the idea of what, if anything, they understood about their pasts.
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If you wanna bring that up then Joker was also catatonic and (I think) sane for a decade during DKR
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Mar 14, 2016 21:21
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Image had a series called Bedlam, about a Joker knock-off who got de-evilified by some mad scientist. He's still sort of crazy, but he feels bad about what he did and tries to help the police make sense of all the crazies who showed up after he "died." If you like seeing a depressed, burnt out headcase stumble around solving crimes, give it a shot.
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Lurdiak posted:In New Gotham Adventures (I think), the comic written as a continuation of the animated series universe, Joker was One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nested into a pacifist, law-abiding weak willed simpleton. Harley eventually snapped him out of it. And Carnage snapped him out of it that other time.
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Puntification posted:There's also the end of that really lovely Kevin Smith Batman where the joker's in the hospital and he's "sane" cos they put him on meds. The main thing I remember about that scene is Joker's glorious facepubes.
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The whole "sane=good, insane=bad" thing is ableist and outdated as hell.
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WickedHate posted:The whole "sane=good, insane=bad" thing is ableist and outdated as hell. I don't disagree, but it's difficult to disassociate Batman's world from that, especially Joker. Not because Batman is any kind of serious examination of mental illness, but because the Arkham imagery is deeply ingrained in the mythos. That being said, I think it would be possible to present Joker exactly as he is without pinning his behaviour on "crazy". I mean, he's obviously a psychopath and definitely has some emotional and behaviour issues (putting it mildly,) but the core of what makes him "evil" is a combination of extreme nihilism and a philosophical devotion to chaos. Those things don't really require mental illness to thrive, and I'm just now realising that it would be interesting to see Joker portrayed not as a madman, but as a representation of human nature taken to extremes. It is possible that what I just typed doesn't make any goddamn sense, but it was interesting to think about.
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Chaos Hippy posted:I don't disagree, but it's difficult to disassociate Batman's world from that, especially Joker. Not because Batman is any kind of serious examination of mental illness, but because the Arkham imagery is deeply ingrained in the mythos. I don't have a problem with the general Arkham stuff most of the time, but it becomes more of a problem when his rogue gallery "becoming sane" involves them immediately being filled with remorse and turning over a new leaf, which paints the picture that neurotypical people are naturally innocent and the mentally ill are naturally evil. Chaos Hippy posted:That being said, I think it would be possible to present Joker exactly as he is without pinning his behaviour on "crazy". I mean, he's obviously a psychopath and definitely has some emotional and behaviour issues (putting it mildly,) but the core of what makes him "evil" is a combination of extreme nihilism and a philosophical devotion to chaos. Those things don't really require mental illness to thrive, and I'm just now realising that it would be interesting to see Joker portrayed not as a madman, but as a representation of human nature taken to extremes. That's basically Heath Ledger's Joker.
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if God's Vengeance or an alien made you sane, would you weep for what you have posted, WickedHate?
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That would imply I've ever been wrong and everyone else was right, and haha, that's just a ridiculous notion.
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Batman's rogues gallery, at its best, is full of psychodrama, which is to say that their personal flaws and psychological weaknesses are dramatized in over the top ways. It's a very cathartic storytelling technique, but the more you throw in parallels to real world mental illnesses, the more problematic it becomes, and the more it can damage society's perception of people with real mental illnesses. I know of one person who was inspired by a two-face story to seek medical treatment for their psychiatric issues, so it's not like it isn't possible to do good with this kind of larger than life, simplistic take on what a "broken" person is, but I'd say more often than not the writers don't realize the weight of what they're playing with.
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It's a good example of how making Batman more realistic is actually really problematic because he more than most superheroes really REALLY doesn't work in a "realistic" story. The more grounded you make Batman the worse he looks as a character, and the fact his basic DNA is built around old pulp views of criminality and mental illness doesn't help, as in a realistic world Batman would be at best an anti-hero, someone we like because he goes after literal mass murderers and crimelords, but is still a despicable broken person as a twisted billionaire who takes out his emotional issues on the poor and mentally ill. Also, anybody who's into this whole Batman/Mental Illness thing should check out Under the Mask, a podcast where a legit actual psychologist talks about the psychology of Batman the Animated Series episodes. Shockingly enough, an actual psychologist can't figure out Joker's diagnosis, as he fits like four different personality disorders depending on which episode you're talking about.
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My take on Joker in TAS is that he's just a sociopath who's really self-amused and is faking most of it.
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Wapole Languray posted:Shockingly enough, an actual psychologist can't figure out Joker's diagnosis, as he fits like four different personality disorders depending on which episode you're talking about. Did they end up deciding gently caress it might as well join him?
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Pretend I posted all of this http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/just-case-guys-who-make-batman-are-readinghere-are-4026
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SynthOrange posted:Pretend I posted all of this http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/just-case-guys-who-make-batman-are-readinghere-are-4026 The first one is "Batman gets his arm cut off". Are we sure that this is a joke article and not just another letter to DC that Geoff Johns wrote when he was a kid?
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SynthOrange posted:Pretend I posted all of this http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/just-case-guys-who-make-batman-are-readinghere-are-4026 quote:Scarecrow releases a gas over Gotham that makes everyone think they’re Batman, and it turns out some people are very well-prepared to be Batman. I would read this.
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I read "Trained cow" and got ready to call it out.
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Lurdiak posted:My take on Joker in TAS is that he's just a sociopath who's really self-amused and is faking most of it. Paul Dini might actually agree with you.
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WickedHate posted:
That's one of my favourite beats in that movie, actually. Where Joker goes "I'm not crazy. I'm not." and Ledger delivers it with utter sincerity.
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Toshimo posted:You want to know how to take down a villain like a total badass? I really don't like the title of this video. The person who made that title completely 100% missed what the Flash was doing there. He wasn't tricking the Trickster, he was being a kind and decent human being who genuinely cared about the guy and wanted him to get better.
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Yeah I was puzzled for a bit after watching because I thought I'd missed the trick.
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Wapole Languray posted:It's a good example of how making Batman more realistic is actually really problematic because he more than most superheroes really REALLY doesn't work in a "realistic" story. The more grounded you make Batman the worse he looks as a character, and the fact his basic DNA is built around old pulp views of criminality and mental illness doesn't help, as in a realistic world Batman would be at best an anti-hero, someone we like because he goes after literal mass murderers and crimelords, but is still a despicable broken person as a twisted billionaire who takes out his emotional issues on the poor and mentally ill. This sums up my issues with the last 10 years or so of Batman, especially non-comic adaptations. There's this massive push, moreso than other superheroes, to make Batman 'realistic', or 'grounded' in some way. In practice this always means 'more violent and dependent on technology'. I can't think of a single part of Batman's world that is improved by shining this kind of spotlight on it. And Joker fans are some of the absolute most obnoxious people on the planet.
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Lurdiak posted:My take on Joker in TAS is that he's just a sociopath who's really self-amused and is faking most of it. The episode "Joker's Millions" pretty much proves this to be the case.
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Never seen that before, I like it. Then again, it's Dini and Ross, so that's pretty much two of my favorites right there.
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I've never understood the obsession with continuity.
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blarzgh posted:I've never understood the obsession with continuity. Comic books are ongoing soap operas that build off existing stories and concepts. This is the advantage they have over stories that end either thematically or meaningfully. Without continuity there is no reason to have ongoing stories or shared universes because they are defined by said continuity. If you read comics for the soap opera aspects (which a lot of people do, even if they won't admit it), it's actually fairly important to making it feel like the never-ending constantly-shifting increasingly-implausible stories have weight.
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ImpAtom posted:Comic books are ongoing soap operas that build off existing stories and concepts. This is the advantage they have over stories that end either thematically or meaningfully. Without continuity there is no reason to have ongoing stories or shared universes because they are defined by said continuity. If you read comics for the soap opera aspects (which a lot of people do, even if they won't admit it), it's actually fairly important to making it feel like the never-ending constantly-shifting increasingly-implausible stories have weight. That's a good explanation.
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Continuity is a tool, and like any tool it can be used well or it can be used poorly.
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wow that's good. Dini is so fuckin' good at Batman.
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Not too surprising. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BZbbG0XGhQ Sigma-X posted:wow that's good. Dini is so fuckin' good at Batman. BTAS has yet to be surpassed by anyone as the "definitive" Batman.
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Lurdiak posted:BTAS has yet to be surpassed by anyone as the "definitive" Batman. Brave and the Bold comes really close. They even ended it on a classy note: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY2ME08hncw
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