ninjewtsu posted:

What are some notably good gundam grunt fights

DamnGlitch posted:

Someone was taking a poo poo on the fight at the beginning of War in the Pocket last time choreography came up, and now we are apparently Not Impressed with the Gouf fight in 08th MS so as far as I can tell there are No Good Grunt Fights Ever

Srice posted:

G-reco has my vote for best choreography, at least as far as tv offerings go. Especially since the storyboarding does a great job at compensating when the animation begins to reach at things a bit beyond its grasp.

Ka0 posted:

Technically both the Turn A and gundam X are grunts.

WrightOfWay posted:

Gundam X is but there was only ever one Turn A. I guess Turn X could have been mass produced since no one knows anything about whoever built it.

Ka0 posted:

tsob posted:

The Turn-A takes horrendous amounts of punishment in show when Gym aims his guns at it, probably has the most armor this side of Wing (possibly more), has a really versatile system in the Moonlight Butterfly, can change weapons on the fly thanks to the chest dock (which it does in show thanks to Gym) and is super fast when it wants to be. It has no need of back up, and the MG Manual confirms that by stating that it can warp weapons from the DOC base and that it was meant to operate solo because of it. Those Turn-B's are completely pointless on the part of the manga artist and make me full sure a lot of people paid no attention to the show. Not that I got any of that for years myself. I just find it funny that people go on about how idiots don't "get" G-Reco when I'm full sure many don't really "get" Turn-A yet, despite being made 15 years beforehand. Most probably don't even get many of his UC works - myself included.

tsob posted:

That's the Turn-A with a couple of Turn-B's (think GM). They have no mustache and a visor instead of eyes, so are very obviously not the Turn-A.

MonsieurChoc posted:

There's Ecole du Ciel.

ninjewtsu posted:

I'm pretty sure I see a mustache on those

ImpAtom posted:

Not a one, no. Loran is a guy, just a very girly looking guy. There was an ongoing rumor that he was supposed to be a woman but it doesn't seem to have much evidence. There's more evidence that Bellri (also an extremely girly looking main character) was supposed to be a woman. Tomino's original pitch for G-Reco was "the birth of a queen" involving two princesses who were sibllings, and by the time we got it it involved a 'princess' sister and her brother.

Beyond that none outside of manga sidestories. The closest is Fumina from Try Fighters but she was the viewpoint character for the first episode before Sekai ate the story. You can maybe make an argument for Chris from 0080 but honestly Al is the main character of that story.

tsob posted:

Yea, I think you may be right. It's definitely smaller if it's there though. They also still have visors instead of eyes.


I dunno, I think you could make a decent argument that Dianna is the main character of Turn-A, since we experience a lot through her eyes and unlike Loran she goes through a proper arc, turning from a sheltered queen in to a normal person who hands off her powers. That aside, where do we get the idea Bellri was ever a woman. The earliest info I can recall on G No Reconquista was the information with a pic of an emaciated Astray like unit atop an orbital elevator with some kind of spear weapon when Tomino announced his intentions to make the show (before it was even a Gundam show if I recall) and Bellri was still a male in that. He was a younger prince supporting his older princess sister as she becomes a Queen if I recall. I don't even recall anything about him being a her.

tsob posted:

Those Turn-B's are completely pointless on the part of the manga artist and make me full sure a lot of people paid no attention to the show. Not that I got any of that for years myself. I just find it funny that people go on about how idiots don't "get" G-Reco when I'm full sure many don't really "get" Turn-A yet, despite being made 15 years beforehand. Most probably don't even get many of his UC works - myself included.

ImpAtom posted:

The very first time he brought it up in an interview it was about two princesses because he wanted to do a story about the power of women. It was one of those things where people kept going "We're FINALLY getting a female protagonist" but yeah, it pretty quickly changed to a brother and sister. I honestly doubt a lady protagonist will survive the initial draft of any Gundam series unless they decide the only way to get the real marketing is to go full T&A.

I don't really think Diana is the protagonist unfortunately. She's a major character (and more interesting than Loran) but Loran's kind of the focal point and gets most of the main character beats. The final conflict is between him and Gym after all. Gundam in general seems to have comfortably settled into the role of "female lead, usually some form of nobility or upper-class citizen in a leadership role, main dude is the fighty guy who supports her." It isn't every Gundam series but at this point it is more than isn't.

Neddy Seagoon posted:

Hey, Fumina made it to just shy of the final script version for BFT before being ousted for Sekai by the look of things .

Caros posted:

Which was such bullshit.

Srice posted:

Have we ever actually heard any confirmation that Fumina was supposed to be the main character or is that just a crazy pipe dream

Since it seemed p clear to me right from the first episode that it was never gonna be the case at all

Caros posted:

It looks pretty clear from the writing. So much of the content of the various episodes put her centre stage in a way that usually only happens with a main character. You add that to the fact that all of the writing around Sekai is weak and it pretty much screams "We rewrote large parts of the show to put him centre stage at the last minute."

I mean, look at the first episode. Fumina is the focus of the majority of it, the narrator etc. When Sekai gets his moment to shine it is very similar to how we see Reiji in the first series, he is the trump card that solves her problems.

It is admittedly just speculation, but it feels like safe speculation.

ImpAtom posted:

That's really not accurate. The role Fumina plays is one you see in a lot of anime. She's the 'normal' viewpoint character who discovers the exceptional protagonist. It was pretty plain that is what she was from the start. The fact she was more interesting then Sekai is more a result of the fact that Sekai was the most boring man imaginable more than anything.

She absolutely doesn't get center stage. She doesn't even have her own rival until the very end and she is only a rival sort of by default and because someone else told her to be. No ongoing plot threads are set up with her and her drama is largely resolved once she gets a team. There's a brief bit of drama where she discovers Winning Gundam is kind of stupid but then that gets resolved as well. Star Winning Gundam is absolutely cooler than Try Burning Gundam is though. In comparison Kousaka and Sekai both have ongoing plot threads that last the entirety of the series. Both of them have multiple rivals who exist entirely to fight them and get heavy focus episodes. Fumina gets to do cool things in fights (which is awesome) but otherwise kind of gets sidelined as a character.

That said I do think it's funny that the way Try is written means Sekai in the second half looks like utter crap compared to his teammates despite everyone talking about how awesome he is.

ImpAtom posted:

That's really not accurate. The role Fumina plays is one you see in a lot of anime. She's the 'normal' viewpoint character who discovers the exceptional protagonist. It was pretty plain that is what she was from the start. The fact she was more interesting then Sekai is more a result of the fact that Sekai was the most boring man imaginable more than anything.

She absolutely doesn't get center stage. She doesn't even have her own rival until the very end and she is only a rival sort of by default and because someone else told her to be. No ongoing plot threads are set up with her and her drama is largely resolved once she gets a team. There's a brief bit of drama where she discovers Winning Gundam is kind of stupid but then that gets resolved as well. Star Winning Gundam is absolutely cooler than Try Burning Gundam is though. In comparison Kousaka and Sekai both have ongoing plot threads that last the entirety of the series. Both of them have multiple rivals who exist entirely to fight them and get heavy focus episodes. Fumina gets to do cool things in fights (which is awesome) but otherwise kind of gets sidelined as a character.

That said I do think it's funny that the way Try is written means Sekai in the second half looks like utter crap compared to his teammates despite everyone talking about how awesome he is.