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EvilElmo posted:Post your watch. Wasn't it a debate they voted to stop, not a vote on the legislation itself?
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gay picnic defence posted:Wasn't it a debate they voted to stop, not a vote on the legislation itself? Shhh... Let's not let facts get in the way of his spin against the Green Menace
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 00:08 |
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gay picnic defence posted:Wasn't it a debate they voted to stop, not a vote on the legislation itself? Leyonhjelm moved a motion to bring on the vote for marriage equality, the bill already tabled by the Greens. Greens and coalition voted it down.
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 00:10 |
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Interesting how none of your failed attacks on the Greens this week considered any of this, or indeed the bigger picture. The ALP supported the report recommending above the line OPV. They supported the abolition of GVTs. Obviously the reforms are an issue for the cross-bench senators. In the face of the LNP and Greens supporting the senate voting reforms, the ALP decided to make a song and dance about how they no longer support the reforms. Maybe this helps them in negotiations with the cross-bench on other issues. You may consider this "playing politics." Added to this, the LNP sought the ABCC as a DD trigger, which the Greens don't support. So now the Greens might be kind of stuck in supporting what is independently a good measure, but one which would allow the government to probably pass a bad measure. Instead of even considering this, EvilElmo, you and the other party hacks jumped immediately to childish name-calling, which is unbecoming to everybody and only serves to highlight the shallowness of your intellect.
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Ket posted:Shhh... Let's not let facts get in the way of his spin against the Green Menace And didn't the ALP vote down the same thing literally a day later for some reason?
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 00:12 |
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EvilElmo posted:Post your watch. Are there any political issues you're concerned about or are you just not keen on any of the professional sports we play? Bill Shorten promises full equality, comrade https://imgur.com/gyaT6Ov
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Birdstrike posted:Interesting how none of your failed attacks on the Greens this week considered any of this, or indeed the bigger picture. Stopped reading after this. The ALP didnt support it. The member on the committee supported it. The party room voted against it. I believe only 1 member supported it in the party room. If you cant get the basics right, why should I read the rest?
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"I promise..." *checks watch*
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Birdstrike posted:Added to this, the LNP sought the ABCC as a DD trigger, which the Greens don't support. So now the Greens might be kind of stuck in supporting what is independently a good measure, but one which would allow the government to probably pass a bad measure. It's a pretty big assumption that an election on workplace relations will be at the current 53/47 2pp, if there is one issue where labor seem to cut through with during elections it's workplace relations. norp fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Mar 18, 2016 |
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EvilElmo, what's your opinion on the ramblings of Senator Collins in today's senate session?
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 00:18 |
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EvilElmo posted:Stopped reading after this. The report was unanimous and the committee had 4 ALP members on it. Try again, idiot.
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 00:36 |
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quote:Labor’s Glenn Sterle, to Cormann:
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 00:45 |
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https://twitter.com/murpharoo/status/710590683799629825
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Birdstrike posted:The report was unanimous and the committee had 4 ALP members on it. Haha. There is literally a section on dissenting view from the ALP in the report. Signed by 3 of the ALP. Try again, idiot.
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Romeo Charlie posted:EvilElmo, what's your opinion on the ramblings of Senator Collins in today's senate session? None. Havent seen it but read one bit that the Greens were pissed because she implied Rhiannon was losing her mental function? If thats what your asking me about. Whatever.
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 01:00 |
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"We want to draw attention to the Greens supporting the coalitions drive for a dd. This is best achieved by publicly claiming the Greens are against marriage equality"
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 01:05 |
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This is honestly the hardest I have seen Labor fight for anything in my life so far.
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 01:08 |
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All of this stunt pulling does nothing but drag the opinion of Australian's about our political processes further down hill. Meanwhile: http://www.foodbank.org.au/hunger-in-australia/the-facts/ quote:Are there really hungry people in Australia?
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 01:10 |
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EvilElmo posted:Haha. There is literally a section on dissenting view from the ALP in the report. Signed by 3 of the ALP. Different report. I mean I've literally given you two lines of attack on the greens but you're too dumb to see them
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 01:13 |
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turdbucket posted:This is honestly the hardest I have seen Labor fight for anything in my life so far. It is bad reform to fix a problem that doesnt exist for the benefit of 2 political parties. If it was an ALP/LNP benefit the Greens would be angry. It paves the way for a DD that will enable the LNP push through some bad legislation including killing clean energy finance.
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 01:14 |
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Hey remember when we were supposed to help resettle 12000 Syrian refugees? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-17/29-refugees-resettled-under-government-12000-intake/7254784 We still have some way to go quote:Mr Dutton today said a total of 29 refugees had been resettled as part of that intake This is from when it was announced in September last year. 7 months to settle 29 people. What the gently caress
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 01:14 |
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turdbucket posted:This is honestly the hardest I have seen Labor fight for anything in my life so far. Yeah, now that you mention it. poo poo, I think this is the hardest I've seen ANY Australian politicians fight this hard for anything. And it's to delegitimize a perceived enemy and potential voting reform that modeling says is a marginal improvement in representation. That's all. Not even to actually fight them either, just to poo poo all over them. What a waste of everybody's time.
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 01:18 |
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Still a marked improvement on the Cambodian deal
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 01:18 |
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EvilElmo posted:It is bad reform to fix a problem that doesnt exist for the benefit of 2 political parties. If it was an ALP/LNP benefit the Greens would be angry. A labor government is as equally terrifying as a liberal government, find something actually scary
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Cleretic posted:Yeah, now that you mention it. poo poo, I think this is the hardest I've seen ANY Australian politicians fight this hard for anything. I guess there's a fair bit at stake for them. I assume they're still scarred from the minority government experience of a few years ago, plus there's the DD and the ABCC which presumably ceases to have support if the LNP can't hang the threat of a DD over the cross bench senators. Am I correct in thinking that if the senate reforms don't get passed this sitting the AEC won't have time to implement the changes before the DD window closes?
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In more coal is good for humanity news:quote:The world’s largest private coal mining company is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, driven to the brink of collapse by plummeting energy prices around the world, cheaper and less polluting rivals such as natural gas, and widespread economic uncertainty. Anyone know how many Australian mines they own?
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 02:07 |
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gay picnic defence posted:Anyone know how many Australian mines they own? "Not enough" - T Abbott
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 02:11 |
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asio posted:A labor government is as equally terrifying as a liberal government, find something actually scary A liberal government with control of both houses is loving terrifying. People should stop being disingenuous. It's an actual possible situation if a DD is called soon. People in this thread are already seriously anxious about dealing with cebtrelink and finding work. The lnp with control of both houses would have pushed through all the horrible poo poo from their first budget.
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Burn Down Canberra posted:A liberal government with control of both houses is loving terrifying. People should stop being disingenuous. It's an actual possible situation if a DD is called soon. They're accelerationists pushing for a revolution.
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Burn Down Canberra posted:A liberal government with control of both houses is loving terrifying. People should stop being disingenuous. It's an actual possible situation if a DD is called soon. lol no it's not.
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Burn Down Canberra posted:A liberal government with control of both houses is loving terrifying. People should stop being disingenuous. It's an actual possible situation if a DD is called soon. Any party controlling the upper house and lower house in a DD is inconceivable. In fact the reason people are so hesitant to call DD's is because only half a quota is required to being elected to the senate as opposed to a full quota means its much much much easier for third parties to get elected.
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 02:46 |
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So the ALP wants to block it because they find the prospect of more greens taking up ALP born to rule senate seats terrifying.
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 02:55 |
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also lol Leyonhjelm on his fillibustering amendments tried to add an amendment to make voting voluntary
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 02:57 |
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Can someone break down for me why the Greens might oppose an amendment to limit political donations? The Guardian implies it's just a tactical error on their part.
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 02:57 |
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Gorbash posted:Can someone break down for me why the Greens might oppose an amendment to limit political donations? The Guardian implies it's just a tactical error on their part. If it gets added to the legislation the Liberal's may (or would probably) oppose the senate reforms thus stopping the legislation dead in its tracks. It's another wedge, though I can't understand why the Guardian says it's a missed opportunity unless they believe the Liberal's would pass the amendment without question anyway.
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 03:02 |
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If there is a Joint Sitting they can pass whatever they want. No guarantee of that though, even if there is a DD.
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 03:10 |
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Good job sending a letter in when no one's reading. Today's print edition of The Age appears to have a front cover that's just a Domain ad.
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 03:13 |
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Anidav posted:So the ALP wants to block it because they find the prospect of more greens taking up ALP born to rule senate seats terrifying. The ALP knew the voting reform was going to pass whether they supported it or not, so they decided to use it as an opportunity to get some ammo against the greens for the election.
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Can anyone link some news articles or sources pre-2014 that illustrate Labor being for senate voting reform before they were against it? It's difficult to pin down with searches as everything after 2015 is the gang of three - Stephen Conroy, Penny Wong, Sam Dastyari - who began Labor's turn around on Senate voting.
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