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"We understand that what the occupiers are asking for can't be granted with the stroke of a pen. We're on your side and we want a peaceful resolution. Now, Mr. FBI, do you think you could get someone in the government to admit to the heroes that their occupation was 100% successful and that their crusade needs to be addressed at a national level? Maybe Joe Biden could fly in and personally kiss Ammon's ring? We would settle for Obama but he's uhhhh..... anyway, part of a negotiation is that you have to concede something, so this is the thing you have to concede."
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cumshitter posted:"We understand that what the occupiers are asking for can't be granted with the stroke of a pen. We're on your side and we want a peaceful resolution. Now, Mr. FBI, do you think you could get someone in the government to admit to the heroes that their occupation was 100% successful and that their crusade needs to be addressed at a national level? Maybe Joe Biden could fly in and personally kiss Ammon's ring? We would settle for Obama but he's uhhhh..... anyway, part of a negotiation is that you have to concede something, so this is the thing you have to concede." This is not an exaggeration this is what the two people in this conference call were asking for. The sherrif said "we did make concessions, we'll give you a ride to the state border. Leave." and they were just completely caught flat footed that "no, get out" was all they were going to get after flashing their badges of office.
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Krinkle posted:"They're not terrorists, they're good citizens who've been pushed too far, and they feel they don't have another choice." Even though I hated them, At some level I had some respect for the fighters and bombers of al qaeda/isis/whoever the gently caress we were fighting in Iraq. At least they had the conviction to do something. When the going got not-even-all-that-tough-by-comparison, most of Vanilla ISIS gave up.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:I kind of doubt they charge elected representatives (even lol-worthy state legislators) who can be portrayed as advocating policy. But gently caress those people. Extremely dangerous. Kazak_Hstan posted:Then again, didn't a bunch of Sinn Fein guys go to jail? Maybe there isn't anything wrong with charging the representatives. Fiore was also at Bundy Ranch 2014 for like a week. After this, the states' rollback attempt on gay marriage through "religious freedom" and the whole Trump shenanigans, I'm starting to think that convicting and imprisoning elected officials for doing active harm to America should be a thing, at least on the state level and below. red19fire posted:Even though I hated them, At some level I had some respect for the fighters and bombers of al qaeda/isis/whoever the gently caress we were fighting in Iraq. At least they had the conviction to do something. When the going got not-even-all-that-tough-by-comparison, most of Vanilla ISIS gave up. I doubt even Tarpman thought he was actually going to die, despite all his bluster on those videos. It was too bad the feds and the state police called his bluff.
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Krinkle posted:"They're not terrorists, they're good citizens who've been pushed too far, and they feel they don't have another choice." I'm also pretty sure that they wouldn't wave guns in people's faces, then complain that they're being persecuted because peaceful while doing so. It's gotten to the point where I almost respect people who make atrocities their main tactic by design above these guys. At least they have the balls to give something up for their beliefs rather than these bloated manchildren.
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On the topic of loud mouthed pussies: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/oregon_standoff_figure_arreste.html#incart_big-photo Not sure if he's the redacted name in the most recent superseding indictment or an additional defendant. He hasn't been charged with the offenses in the Malheur indictment. Pretty interesting he was in a neighboring county this long after the standoff.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:On the topic of loud mouthed pussies: He could be, but I'm thinking the redacted name is probably Sheriff Palmer, just because he's a ranking official and would be somewhat problematic if his name was actually revealed.
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Krinkle posted:This is not an exaggeration this is what the two people in this conference call were asking for. The sherrif said "we did make concessions, we'll give you a ride to the state border. Leave." and they were just completely caught flat footed that "no, get out" was all they were going to get after flashing their badges of office. They were really, really lovely negotiators. Just off the top of my head here are a few of the mistakes they made: -Asked for complete concession to the occupier's demands while not even being able to promise that the occupation would end -Insulted the office of every Harney official that was present -Defended Ammon against every slight, no matter how small -Demanded proof that the complaints of the Harney residents were real -Called judge Grasty irrational because he was justifiably angry that his wife lived in mortal fear every time he left the house -Questioned the legitimacy and authority of the people they were negotiating with ("Oh yeah does your boss know what you're doing?") -Acted as if they were above the people they were negotiating with ("Those county officials can't compete with us slick state assemblyfolk") -Constantly ignored everything the Harney people were saying, asking for repeated confirmations for the same question All this while they brought literally nothing to the table. Like yeah, maybe you're hot poo poo in the Nevada Assembly's 3rd congressional district, Michele Fiore, but that doesn't mean jack poo poo here in Oregon. Also I just realized I've been mistakenly referring to Michele Fiore as Carly in my previous posts so sorry if that caused any confusion because I mistook her name for a marginally more important political lady. cumshitter has issued a correction as of 04:41 on Mar 18, 2016 |
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Krinkle posted:"They're not terrorists, they're good citizens who've been pushed too far, and they feel they don't have another choice." Everyone knows terrorists = muslims, like look up terrorist in a dictionary and it just says "synonym for muslim" 
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State legislators are some of the dumbest, most self-important people out there.
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Young Freud posted:I doubt even Tarpman thought he was actually going to die, despite all his bluster on those videos. It was too bad the feds and the state police called his bluff. I disagree. He very clearly was reaching for a gun and had to know how that would end for him. I also think he truly believed he'd be a martyr whose death would inspire an armed uprising.
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Cubey posted:I disagree. He very clearly was reaching for a gun and had to know how that would end for him. I also think he truly believed he'd be a martyr whose death would inspire an armed uprising. He was. He inspired an uprising of patriots from their lawn chairs to go poop in a ditch and return to their fire to snack.
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Cheap Shot posted:He was. He inspired an uprising of patriots from their lawn chairs to go poop in a ditch and return to their fire to snack. ironically he's cleaning up the country for the rest of us
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Volcott posted:http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-keeps-cliven-bundy-jail-citing-history-resistance-n541156 LOL, that's great. quote:"If Cliven Bundy was a threat I wouldn't want him home," Carol Bundy said. "I would love to have my husband and my sons and all the patriots home with their families so they can prepare to fight for this." 
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Angela Christine posted:LOL, that's great. Haha oh man "he needs to come home so we can arm ourselves for the upcoming rebellion we have planned" Real loving smooth lady
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Epic High Five posted:Haha oh man I wouldn't have thought these people existed until I was propogated by a militia in a PA gun store. Plan Z has issued a correction as of 09:46 on Mar 18, 2016 |
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Epic High Five posted:Haha oh man "No, you see, he was so peaceful. He never personally shot anyone. He just threatened to do so and asked other people to do the same. Totally different. He won't run. He'll just hold up in his compound and surround himself with heavily armed, but very peaceful, followers." I hope that neither he, more his feral plague cows see the light of day again.
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Epic High Five posted:Haha oh man
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Al! posted:remember how there was a redacted name on that list of people charged? I wonder I'm guessing it was someone who's underage, as you legally can't release minor's names afaik
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Geostomp posted:feral plague cows stealing this for the name of my ironic 3%er metal band it'll be like GWAR with tarps and fat dudes in army surplus ACUs
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Loden Taylor posted:stealing this for the name of my ironic 3%er metal band And instead of slamdancing and moshing, they'll all fumble around like they have palsy and then fall down and cry about their rights. Then poo poo in a hole they half-heartedly dig in the floor until security ushers them out. How many revolutionaries in history have gone before their oppressors and cried about a lack of bail, again?
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Kazak_Hstan posted:Then again, didn't a bunch of Sinn Fein guys go to jail? Maybe there isn't anything wrong with charging the representatives. Fiore was also at Bundy Ranch 2014 for like a week. A lot of Sinn Fein guys were actual members of the IRA.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:State legislators are some of the dumbest, most self-important people out there. This used to blow my mind until I took one good look at the Presidential candidates and imagined ten thousand of these sorts of people operating with none of the public scrutiny which--occasionally, with luck--manages to weed out your occasional Bobby Jindal or Rick Perry.
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McNerd posted:This used to blow my mind until I took one good look at the Presidential candidates and imagined ten thousand of these sorts of people operating with none of the public scrutiny which--occasionally, with luck--manages to weed out your occasional Bobby Jindal or Rick Perry. Also remember that nobody cares about local elections like, at all, except old people with too much time and a frothing hatred of feral urbans. It's a shame too because local and state elections are much more likely to effect you personally than who's president.
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Loden Taylor posted:stealing this for the name of my ironic 3%er metal band Braveheart bagpipes as the intro for Horror of Yig 
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The federal government is illegitimate, so I don't have to pay for gas! https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/710908213638508544 What a fuckstick.
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And that legal genius will get to show us all how wrong we are http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/ryan-bundy-lawyer-represent-himself-court-trial/ quote:
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Kazak_Hstan posted:And that legal genius will get to show us all how wrong we are
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Shakenbaker posted:Braveheart bagpipes as the intro for Horror of Yig I want to hear this so bad now
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Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 47(a)(2) provides that a sovereign defendant, upon his unjust conviction in a court of maritime law, is entitled to a bagpipe processional as he is remanded back to custody of the unlawful government.
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Ryan Bundy becomes second defendant in Oregon standoff case to waive right to an attorney This is setting up to be really promising!
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There have been legal scholars that have suggested that people asserting sovcit defenses should lose their right to self representation.
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They should. As funny as it is, the amount of self harm they inflict upon themselves is consistent with how a mentally incompetent person would represent themselves. That said, I would love it if their court appointed attorneys tormented the people they represent by saying they're creating joinder against their consent or pretending they can't hear them unless they speak as their corporate person-boat.
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