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AnonSpore posted:It's because they channel their ki into their buttons duh only chinese have ki idiot edit wait no japanese too theyre just all dead
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Ryuga Death posted:Is there a schedule for Final Round that shows what games are on what channel (besides the obvious SFV being on capcom's channel)? 
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Jmcrofts posted:The big question for SF5 this weekend is whether USA really is the strongest region right now, or if Japan is underestimating/understating their abilities. That's how Japan beats America usually, being better at answering unsafe/loose stuff with max damage, while not having their own setplay shenanigans answered in kind.
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dangerdoom volvo posted:only chinese have ki idiot Koreans do too but they are also all dead, nerd
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I'm rooting for americans because i follow them on twitter and watch them play each week but secretly i think my spirit animal is infiltration
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https://www.twitch.tv/tekken is live now https://www.twitch.tv/teamsp00ky for SFV teams whenever that starts
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I'd love to see LIJoe or Art or Snakeeyes or even someone like LPN or BJUnchained just go nuts and win the whole thing; even if an American doesn't win EVO, it'll be a great response to that age-old debate.Jmcrofts posted:The hypest moment of evo last year was the infiltration vs gamerbee counterpickfest. That entire top 3 is still loving amazing; Infiltration getting stumped, Gamerbee's tear through top 8, the stick malfunction, GB's fiance looking for him, James Chen's tearful sendoff, the hug...what a great end to an EVO. 
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Gammatron 64 posted:Yeah, that's true... I typically figured that Japan is better because of its stronger arcade scene but honestly I dunno why. I think because in Japan, fighting games are like FPSes in the US. They are so ubiquitous and popular (Or were for a long chunk of time), that anyone who plays games has a fundamentally strong notion of what it takes win in those types of games. Like your average arcade goer in Japan is far, far more skilled than your average online scrub in the U.S. Again, this is mostly speculation but seeing things like Snake Eyez getting bopped by randoms in a Japanese arcade (Yes, I realize Snake Eyez plays on pad) backs my thoughts up a little.
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FanaticalMilk posted:I think because in Japan, fighting games are like FPSes in the US. They are so ubiquitous and popular (Or were for a long chunk of time), that anyone who plays games has a fundamentally strong notion of what it takes win in those types of games. Like your average arcade goer in Japan is far, far more skilled than your average online scrub in the U.S. Again, this is mostly speculation but seeing things like Snake Eyez getting bopped by randoms in a Japanese arcade (Yes, I realize Snake Eyez plays on pad) backs my thoughts up a little. I get what you're saying, although the comparison isn't the most apt one because fighting games are no where near as popular in Japan as FPSes are in the US. Japan is all about single player JRPGs and casual cellphone games that are more about grinding numbers than actual skill. But fighting games are probably the most popular competitive games in Japan, though, because they don't seem to gravitate towards FPS games like America or RTS games like Korea.
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I feel like distance is a big thing too. The first daigo stream I caught was just 8 of the best sf players in Japan (in the world) hanging out,and that's probably not too hard to do somewhat often, but how often do you think, say, snakeeyez and lijoe are in the same room (or even within 500 miles) in a year?
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bhsman posted:
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ZenVulgarity posted:Spooky is the best It's his birthday, too, if you wanna say/tweet something to him.
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Gammatron 64 posted:I get what you're saying, although the comparison isn't the most apt one because fighting games are no where near as popular in Japan as FPSes are in the US. Yeah, that's why I added the "Or were at one time" cause they are definitely not at their late 90s peak. Death Bot posted:I feel like distance is a big thing too. The first daigo stream I caught was just 8 of the best sf players in Japan (in the world) hanging out,and that's probably not too hard to do somewhat often, but how often do you think, say, snakeeyez and lijoe are in the same room (or even within 500 miles) in a year? And this too, if the entire US scene were able to play each other on a bi-weekly or monthly basis, I think the players would get a lot better a lot faster. The thing I worry about with Snake Eyez, is that outside of the NorCal guys, he hasn't really been backed into a corner in any of the WNFs. I feel like the minute he runs into a good player who knows how to deal with his bullshit, he'll start having problems that he hasn't had to overcome yet and won't be prepared for. FanaticalMilk fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Mar 18, 2016 |
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bhsman posted:
When is Fchamp vs the Krone
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Gammatron 64 posted:Nah, I have a lot of friends here who all go to an honest to God arcade so I'm good. To be fair, Xrd gets a lot of play too but that's the only anime game a lot of people are into. People are always like "hey, let's play BlazBlue!" then I buy the new BlazBlue and never actually wind up playing it, so I kinda stopped doing that. The point of what I said is to point out that things aren't all like your scene. You're talking about SF5 hate on SA as if it only applies here and "in MY scene it works like this", as if the goon hate here is all armchair stuff of people who aren't representative of the FGC as a whole. Yeah its true, there are a bunch of people who like SF5 for a variety of reasons. I don't think they'd reach 3000 pre-registrants at EVO (or something like that?) without it being part of the case, and we don't need a reminder that that is the norm for the FGC at the moment. That doesn't mean that there couldn't be large sections of the FGC that turn out to locals/monthlies/majors that don't like SF5 for all of it's flubs. And there's nothing wrong with them voicing their opinion on SF5. ZenVulgarity posted:Where's Pokken Yeah where's my Day 1 tourney for the newest biggest eSports game
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Ventana posted:Yeah where's my Day 1 tourney for the newest biggest eSports game It was yesterday in New York.
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Jesus, over a thousand for SFV at Final Round.  Ventana posted:And there's nothing wrong with them voicing their opinion on SF5. Completely fair; like that one goon (you?) said, the local preference seemed to go right back to the anime games, which is totally fine.
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The reason why a lot of people whine about SF5 being popular despite being bad in their opinion is because to them (and I only half include myself since I can watch p much anything and be vaguely entertained), SF5 and SF4's push towards accessibility has reduced the scope to do cool poo poo that is visually interesting, games about frame traps and where baits are reduced to very specific circumstances are not. I think a lot of these people are hoping for SF5 to fail so people go and play old games that allow that or everyone jumps on Xrd or whatever. I think it just makes people sad when they hear the word shimmy used like it's something new and inventive when the majority of old games is about walking in and out of ranges in a way that's hard to react to, to bait stuff. This is a badly written post but I'm extra lazy right now.
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no it sums up why sf5 is limited as hell and super boringTae posted:Just ignore the weirdos that said SF should've died after SF3 because not existing is better than existing do you not await deaths sweet embrace or something
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I know those people are dumb, but I think anyone is straight up hilariously bonkers if they think little timmy is going to move on to another fighting game if SFV fails instead of just not never playing a FG genre again. Like, at best they'll move on to MK or Smash Brothers.
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I'm pretty sure it's the same people who get sad that people like Bernie Sanders don't win elections. they really wish the world wasn't so full of poo poo
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^^^^^ Basically, yeah, rip Bernie  brian posted:I think a lot of these people are hoping for SF5 to fail so people go and play old games that allow that or everyone jumps on Xrd or whatever. I know for me this is the case, but not in the sort of devious way that your post makes it look like and sound. The thing is, for a lot of areas of the FGC, a LOT of people just flock to SF simply only because "it's the thing everyone is playing, right?". If you legit like SF5 (or 4, since it was the same there too), there isn't concern there, but it's incredibly disheartening to see all the time that people wish they could play something else but feel like they can't because of what is more or less a herd mentality. People ideally should just be able to play the games they want (Vsav, JoJos, whatever) and build a scene for that.
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brian posted:The reason why a lot of people whine about SF5 being popular despite being bad in their opinion is because to them (and I only half include myself since I can watch p much anything and be vaguely entertained), SF5 and SF4's push towards accessibility has reduced the scope to do cool poo poo that is visually interesting, games about frame traps and where baits are reduced to very specific circumstances are not. I think a lot of these people are hoping for SF5 to fail so people go and play old games that allow that or everyone jumps on Xrd or whatever. I think it just makes people sad when they hear the word shimmy used like it's something new and inventive when the majority of old games is about walking in and out of ranges in a way that's hard to react to, to bait stuff. This is a badly written post but I'm extra lazy right now. It's just grognard talk, if you'll allow a tabletop games analogy. EDIT: And even if SF5 is what everyone is playing, it also has the potential to be a great gateway to other FGC games. I probably would never have cared about Guilty Gear enough to buy Xrd if not for Street Fighter stuff from guys like Best Friends Play and Maximilian. ZenVulgarity posted:Switch the voices to Mexican 
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bhsman posted:It's just grognard talk, if you'll allow a tabletop games analogy. No I won't because I have no idea what you're talking about but if you're denigrating them for being mostly right it's a pretty despicable way to handle criticism
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brian posted:I'm pretty sure it's the same people who get sad that people like Bernie Sanders don't win elections. they really wish the world wasn't so full of poo poo Sf5 is hillary, makes perfect sense
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brian posted:No I won't because I have no idea what you're talking about but if you're denigrating them for being mostly right it's a pretty despicable way to handle criticism What is mostly right? All you said was cloud yellers hoping a game fails in hopes that they go into another, more involved game? You basically consider people liking a game you don't like a sin.
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brian posted:No I won't because I have no idea what you're talking about but if you're denigrating them for being mostly right it's a pretty despicable way to handle criticism Grognard is the French word for 'grumbler' and in tabletops refers to someone who plays older games, often with a negative connotation of "The only good games are the ones I played back in the day, all this new stuff is just poo poo." Which, depending on the game, may be true, but doesn't excuse giving people who enjoy it poo poo for, well, enjoying it. It's not a perfect analogy, and there are legitimate reasons for disliking SFV's scope, but it matched up better in my head so there. 
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Jmcrofts posted:SF5 is Donald Trump It's making fighting games great again!!
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Jmcrofts posted:SF5 is Donald Trump It's gonna pay my legal fees if I punch out a goon?
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dangerdoom volvo posted:Sf5 is hillary, makes perfect sense It's detractors are mostly re-hashing old, incorrect criticisms and mainly complain that it isn't as perfect as they perceive their preference to be? EDIT: Oh poo poo this got real very quickly RIP TBear
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What is incorrect about saying SFV has had a disastrous launch that turned away the very casual players it was aiming to attract, poo poo implementation of rollback netcode that might even poison the well for future fighting games, ridiculous native input delay that's far worse than any fighting game on the market including its own predecessor, hilarious ragequitting issues in ranked when their huge year long pro circuit explicitly has spaces on it for the highest online rankers, horrendous implementation of things that worked perfectly fine in SFIV (training mode loving resets its settings after a match, only 1P can select rematch/character select, etc)... And that's not even getting into the actual gameplay.
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deadly_pudding posted:It's gonna pay my legal fees if I punch out a goon? Its characters have normal sized hands
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Tae posted:What is mostly right? All you said was cloud yellers hoping a game fails in hopes that they go into another, more involved game? You basically consider people liking a game you don't like a sin. Well I don't know if i've landed myself in a linguistic hickledypickledy situation or something because I'm having a hard time parsing both your post and my original post but I imagine what I mean is that all the things that SF5 supposedly does well in regards to accessibility and 'new approach'ing has all been done before and usually better in other games that aren't as successful because they don't trade off both the name and the post SF4 scene's almost comical ability to forgo taste in favour of chasing celebrity and financial reward, thus leading us to a situation where they can both be right in their dismissiveness and also still dicks
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Tae posted:I know those people are dumb, but I think anyone is straight up hilariously bonkers if they think little timmy is going to move on to another fighting game if SFV fails instead of just not never playing a FG genre again. Like, at best they'll move on to MK or Smash Brothers. I'm not sure if anyone is expecting a lot of players to flock to ST, Marvel 2, Melty and so on. A lot of grognards just don't want new players period and would rather sink their own ships than let stinkin' '09ers or '16ers onboard. Ventana posted:I know for me this is the case, but not in the sort of devious way that your post makes it look like and sound. This is basically it - people get pissed off and bitter that games they don't like are popular and the games they do like are pretty much dead. I love vsav but it's like an act of congress to get people to play it. Street Fighter is kind of like the WoW of competitive fighters as it more or less completely dominates the genre and makes it very difficult for other games to succeed and get popular. Getting good at a fighting game is a big time investment, and people just aren't willing to put time into a game with no competition. It really sucks, but that's how things are. It would be awesome if people played Virtua Fighter in the US, but it just isn't going to happen. AnonSpore posted:What is incorrect about saying SFV has had a disastrous launch that turned away the very casual players it was aiming to attract, poo poo implementation of rollback netcode that might even poison the well for future fighting games, ridiculous native input delay that's far worse than any fighting game on the market including its own predecessor, hilarious ragequitting issues in ranked when their huge year long pro circuit explicitly has spaces on it for the highest online rankers, horrendous implementation of things that worked perfectly fine in SFIV (training mode loving resets its settings after a match, only 1P can select rematch/character select, etc)... This things are all true, yes.
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