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Tracula posted:It depends on when it came out. Lance will do any movie for 50bux and a bottle of Jack these days it seems. I think by '89 he still had a little credibility but these days look at his loving IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000448/ He was in The Visitor in '79, so credibility destroyed. Also, Allison and Phelan, do The Visitor some time. Brad could do it too. It is a disco fever dream from the third scene, then goes insane about 20 minutes from the end even though you think it's been insane the whole time.
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DStecks posted:Curtis Craig is still the only canonically bisexual man to be the sole player character of a game. I was sure that this couldn't be true, but holy poo poo, it really is. That game is literally 20 years old.
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DStecks posted:Curtis Craig is still the only canonically bisexual man to be the sole player character of a game.
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So Channel Awesome has finally started to launch its dedicated Comic Book show, and well...this guy they got running it... Look, I can tell he's trying but....no. Just no. Maybe he'll get better with practice, but I doubt it.
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Ensign_Ricky posted:So Channel Awesome has finally started to launch its dedicated Comic Book show, and well...this guy they got running it... Did Linkara ditch CA too?
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Did Linkara ditch CA too? Nope. But this guy is doing good comics too I guess. Right now they've got him reporting on C2E2, which basically involves him asking two former Power Rangers if they're involved in the new movie. edit: and he has sidekicks. Also untalented. I mean, I'd be delighted if they could mature as personalities, people who could develop into genuine entertainers. But holy god they're painful on their own and insufferable when all together. Ensign_Ricky fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Mar 20, 2016 |
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surf rock posted:I was sure that this couldn't be true, but holy poo poo, it really is. That game is literally 20 years old. Furthermore, there's never been a single canonically gay man to be the sole player character of a video game. At least, if we're talking about non-independently released games. Not that I can even name any indie games with a gay male PC. Batman doesn't count.
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DStecks posted:Batman doesn't count. 
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Solid Snake Big Boss too. He's so gay for Kaz.
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Holy poo poo, the driving over the guys skull montage had me in tears.
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Mar 20, 2016 19:10
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It would have taken like 3 line changes for Ezio, but Ubisoft is staffed by cowards.
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e X posted:Holy poo poo, the driving over the guys skull montage had me in tears. That's a 100 percent a real guy's head that got accidentally run over right? I mean, the way he reacted. I mean, it's funny but goddamn.
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Terrible Opinions posted:It would have taken like 3 line changes for Ezio, but Ubisoft is staffed by cowards. I can't tell if you're serious or not.
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I guess he's not the sole playable character because it's a strategy game, but Ike from Fire Emblem is definitely gay.
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Mokinokaro posted:Big Boss too. He's so gay for Kaz. Pretty sure the entire MGS cast is pan as gently caress.
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TheMaestroso posted:I can't tell if you're serious or not. His relationship with da Vinci had some pretty serious coding.
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Darth Walrus posted:His relationship with da Vinci had some pretty serious coding. I could see those two being more than a bromance, I guess. I was questioning the use of "cowards" more than anything else.
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lol if you didn't already know that every decision-making-person at every major publisher is an absolute sniveling coward. They couldn't even muster up the courage to tell people to stop sending their own employees death threats, let alone make the player character in a AAA action game anything but a 100% unchallenging straight male power fantasy, with at best some additional options.
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You have the causality wrong. It's not accurate to blame employees for perceived personal cowardice. Major publishing companies are not 'corrupted' by those who lack courage. The system itself is corruptive and ultimately self-destructive. At its core, liberal capitalism systemically oppresses free will and artistry in the act of making it all too often a good business decision to 'play it safe' for money.
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Hbomberguy posted:You have the causality wrong. It's not accurate to blame employees for perceived personal cowardice. Yeah, just like how there are literally no films or tv shows ever with a gay protagonist, and how Hollywood rolled over and played dead back when terrorist attacks were threatened if The Interview got released, absolutely nobody raised a stink about it.
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I feel like we are moving away from how weird it is that loving Phantasmagoria 2 dealt with subjects basically no other non-indie video game deals with.
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DStecks posted:Yeah, just like how there are literally no films or tv shows ever with a gay protagonist, and how Hollywood rolled over and played dead back when terrorist attacks were threatened if The Interview got released, absolutely nobody raised a stink about it. Sony wasn't going to release the interview until the government sent them straight. sony had no balls, but everyone in congress I guess did. which is sad when you have less of a spine then the senate. Cyron fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Mar 20, 2016 |
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I feel like we are moving away from how weird it is that loving Phantasmagoria 2 dealt with subjects basically no other non-indie video game deals with. the whole therapy section in that game was groundbreaking that the more progressive indie devs can't touch that poo poo. him explaning about how his mom ues to dress him up as a girl was just mindblowing. gone home ant got poo poo on Phantamagoria 2. Cyron fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Mar 20, 2016 |
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DStecks posted:Yeah, just like how there are literally no films or tv shows ever with a gay protagonist, and how Hollywood rolled over and played dead back when terrorist attacks were threatened if The Interview got released, absolutely nobody raised a stink about it. The very, very slow, heels-dragging acceptance of the idea of gay protagonists in mainstream tv and film is not proof of the 'de-cowardisation' of the producers in those mediums. It implies the opposite - a deeper, economic stranglehold, wherein for a very long time it was '''just''' '''good business''' to not 'risk' having a nonstraight main character. It's also why the indie scene or lower-budget studios tend to take the most risks and push the envelope more often. The under-representation of minority groups in media is a straight up expression of class conflict. Cyron, all movies are made to make money. That is, partially, the issue. Once you get out of the kiddie pool you have to start thinking about audience appeal of ideas, and what would 'get popular'. That's partially why I have never left the kiddie pool. I don't like appealing to people. Splash.
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I've always thought that the best way to do non "traditional family values as determined by the US South" is to do it and not make a big deal about it. Don't VERY SPECIAL EPISODE OF BLOSSOM it. If someone is gay don't make it a thing. Just have it there if it comes up but don't hang a giant sign on it. That way it can be seen as normal. Sort of like how the mid 00s Doctor Who had a ton of interracial relationships but didn't even make it out to be anything other than just like any other relationships out there. It causes genuine meaningful change and only the biggest assholes will freak out about it. For younger people it will work as old WASP types aren't going to change anyhow and if you try to force it or proselytize it on folks it will just cause the opposite effect. Hell, one of the main characters in Shadowrun Hong Kong is a gay dude and it merely comes up in a conversation. It's not made out to be any big deal as it should be. It's a part of him but merely a part. Who you like to bang shouldn't be your entirety of personality anyhow and someone flamboyantly gay is just as annoying as the frat dude bro. We are all really the same regardless of what people seem to think. Most folks don't want to hear about your sex and relationship activities no matter what gender you or your partners are. I dunno. Maybe my thoughts on the matter just make the left and right sides think I am bad. 
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Captain Rufus posted:I've always thought that the best way to do non "traditional family values as determined by the US South" is to do it and not make a big deal about it. Don't VERY SPECIAL EPISODE OF BLOSSOM it. If someone is gay don't make it a thing. Just have it there if it comes up but don't hang a giant sign on it. That way it can be seen as normal. There's a great trans character in Technobabylon in Regis' partner Max. When it comes up while they're chatting about Max's history, the conversation turns to only how good Max's surgeon was because Regis had no idea.
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Hbomberguy posted:Cyron, all movies are made to make money. That is, partially, the issue. Once you get out of the kiddie pool you have to start thinking about audience appeal of ideas, and what would 'get popular'. That's partially why I have never left the kiddie pool. I don't like appealing to people. sorry I deleted that post since it was dumb and replace it with more complements for Phantamagoria 2.
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DStecks posted:lol if you didn't already know that every decision-making-person at every major publisher is an absolute sniveling coward. They couldn't even muster up the courage to tell people to stop sending their own employees death threats, let alone make the player character in a AAA action game anything but a 100% unchallenging straight male power fantasy, with at best some additional options. Sorry bro that was a joke.
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You might have been joking but Ezio is legitimately one of a vanishingly tiny handful of male player characters who you could call sexualized. Which is loving bizarre, I mean, making Ezio a hottie with a sense of fun is not weird or alienating to straight men, it still works as a male fantasy, but the games industry is so loving set on the specific juvenile fantasy of gruff, brooding antiheroes that it's rare you ever even see a video game PC with the attitude of, say, a MCU superhero. It's all Liam Neeson all the way, and that fantasy does nothing for me anymore.
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Like Ezio in a different game culture would definitely be gay or bi, but in the current one he's just fairly fun and friends with a historical figure who was gay.
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AssCreed could easily have a main character with a non-heteronormative sexuality. The games aren't very much about sexuality, so playing as a male character who's into dudes isn't a huge structure-changing issue. In fact once the stories stopped focusing on the bond between father and son as a metaphor for the world we leave to our children (2 through 3 reeeaally focus on this) it almost completely ditched the premise' logistics of how the memories were passed on. In the latest one you play as two twins at once. If the genetic memories thing is in play, that's totally hosed up.
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DStecks posted:You might have been joking but Ezio is legitimately one of a vanishingly tiny handful of male player characters who you could call sexualized. Which is loving bizarre, I mean, making Ezio a hottie with a sense of fun is not weird or alienating to straight men, it still works as a male fantasy, but the games industry is so loving set on the specific juvenile fantasy of gruff, brooding antiheroes that it's rare you ever even see a video game PC with the attitude of, say, a MCU superhero. It's all Liam Neeson all the way, and that fantasy does nothing for me anymore. I do agree with you that the triple A gams are too full of themselves but i feel there is a good chunk of gamers who despise these type of games. I mean watchdog is seen as a bomb and splatoon, undertale and rocket league are games that are seen on a ton of top 10's of 2015. Hbomberguy posted:AssCreed could easily have a main character with a non-heteronormative sexuality. The games aren't very much about sexuality, so playing as a male character who's into dudes isn't a huge structure-changing issue. I would have liked the series more if it wasn't for the future parts, I rather run around in the shadows of renaissance then be taken away to the no to far future. Cyron fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Mar 21, 2016 |
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DStecks posted:0it's rare you ever even see a video game PC with the attitude of, say, a MCU superhero. It's all Liam Neeson all the way, and that fantasy does nothing for me anymore. Dammit, now I wan't a Captain America game with Chris Evans doing the VO work.
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BigRed0427 posted:Dammit, now I wan't a Captain America game with Chris Evans doing the VO work. gently caress it I am watching winter solder again. best MCU movie IMO.
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Cyron posted:gently caress it I am watching winter solder again. best MCU movie IMO. Good idea, but right now i'm watching Daredevil. 4 episodes in and I love how their trying to characterize Kingpin.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rtiZ7_y2Sk Oh my god, the Dingo Pictures version of Peter Pan is somehow even worse than everything else that they've done. At least everything else has more than one voice actor
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Testekill posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rtiZ7_y2Sk Captain Hook's hand got wet. It's completely useless!
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BigRed0427 posted:Dammit, now I wan't a Captain America game with Chris Evans doing the VO work. Your wish was granted about 5 years ago, as long as you had one of the consoles it came out on. Unless by that you meant a better one, then sure. Gnome de plume fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Mar 21, 2016 |
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BigRed0427 posted:Dammit, now I wan't a Captain America game with Chris Evans doing the VO work. The AAA industry can't even make a Tony Stark type, and that is 110% male indulgence fantasy, that is how stuck they are on rough, grizzled, brooding "badasses". The worst thing is that I actually know a guy who digs that kind of character. His tastes are astonishingly juvenile, and his creative sensibilities are utterly derivative. A Troper would tell him to get a little less rote.
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