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Ibogaine posted:I'm reading Gore Vidal's "Lincoln" right now, so I would like to bitch and moan about the lack of a spoiler alert! So, please use a spoiler tag when you're talking about who won, whether slavery was extended to all states of the union, or how Lincoln did as a president. (At the point where I am, he is mostly dubious and beardy, so I can't imagine that he will be very succesful. I still don't want to ruin the suspension). Salmon P. Chase is a much better politician than Lincoln is.
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If goons gave a flying gently caress about military leadership, they'd've gone for Scott last election. No respect for expansionism either.
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# ? Mar 16, 2016 05:38 |
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SlothfulCobra posted:If goons gave a flying gently caress about military leadership, they'd've gone for Scott last election. Taylor was more popular than Scott because he got in huge bloodbath battles, whereas Scott was very careful and methodical in minimizing casualties, and Americans demand blood! Scott also correctly predicted how the civil war would go, which nobody else did at the time.
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# ? Mar 16, 2016 18:28 |
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von Metternich posted:Taylor was more popular than Scott because he got in huge bloodbath battles, whereas Scott was very careful and methodical in minimizing casualties, and Americans demand blood! Scott also correctly predicted how the civil war would go, which nobody else did at the time. Didnt Sherman also?
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# ? Mar 16, 2016 18:41 |
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We probably need a new title now that Clay, Calhoun, and the whole Jackson generation are now gone.
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 16:56 |
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SA Decides 1788-2000: Waiting to write-in Hitler
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 20:31 |
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1488 posted:SA Decides 1788-2000: Waiting to write-in Hitler username/post combo Also gently caress off Nazi.
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 20:37 |
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SA Decides 1788-2000: The 18th War Between the States
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# ? Mar 18, 2016 22:49 |
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SA Decides 1788-2000: "If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve."
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SA Decides 1788-2000: Not worth a bucket of warm piss
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# ? Mar 19, 2016 04:54 |
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Jessie Benton Frémont was awesome http://www.unz.org/Pub/Bookman-1903feb-00535?View=Search&SearchView=PDFHits&pages=535 quote:"Jessie" was the watchword of the Frémont Presidential campaign; it was loudly whispered afterward that if the lovely Jessie had been the actual candidate, she, and not Buchanan would have occupied the Presidential chair. Also, Freepers in 1856:
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 06:46 |
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FRÉMONT! [slams telegraph office door]
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 11:17 |
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Thank you all for voting. In a stunning landslide, John C. Frémont has been elected President of the United States and Protector of their Liberties. According to his opponents, Frémont brings with him the dark shadow of “socialism, feminism, freemounting, and abolitionism.” The United States may suffer yet another Civil War. William L. Dayton has been elected as Vice-President. The perfidious New Jerseyan has already been sent abroad to lobby the governments of France and England to prevent them from intervening in American affairs. MOST POPULAR TICKET: John C. Frémont / William L. Dayton (Republican) - 92 votes (88.5%) Millard Fillmore / Andrew JacksonDonelson (American/Whig) - 7 votes (6.7%) James Buchanan / John C.Breckenridge (Democratic) - 5 votes (4.8%) TOTAL: 104 votes
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ELECTION OF 1860 Click here to vote in the Election of 1860! Background: When James Buchanan ran for office in 1856, he promised to contain and limit the corrosive influence of the slavery debate by strictly enforcing all laws. While well-intentioned, his mission proved fruitless after he was inaugurated. Two days after he was sworn in, the United States Supreme Court handed down its Dred Scott decision, which ruled that the federal government had no right to regulate slavery in the territories. The decision caused mass outrage in the North, fury that was only intensified when it came out that Buchanan might have pressured a Northern justice to vote with the Southern majority to appease the region. The next few years would prove to be difficult, both for Buchanan and the nation as a whole. In Kansas, a region so recently swept up in abolitionist-slaveholder carnage, Buchanan announced his support for the Lecompton Constitution, which would allow slavery in Kansas, to appease the Democratic Party. In economics, Buchanan was forced to cope with the “Panic of 1857,” a financial crisis caused by rampant speculation on the railroads. After Buchanan announced that he supported “reform not relief,” to maintain the country’s financial solvency, rumors swirled that Buchanan was intentionally trying to sabotage the North, which was disproportionately affected by the calamity. The next few years saw a war in Utah against the Mormons, growing gridlock, and an impeachment investigation that threatened to destroy Buchanan’s legacy. One event, however, would set off a firestorm that destroyed Buchanan’s reputation in both North and South. In October 1859, abolitionist John Brown tried to stage a slave uprising by raiding the federal arsenal at Harpers Ferry. Though the effort failed, the event seemed to confirm everyone’s worst suspicions. In the South, the raid confirmed that abolitionists were willing to use violence to achieve their goals and pushed many, including Vice President James Buchanan, towards the radical fire-eaters. In the North, John Brown seemed to be unfairly prosecuted and became martyrs for the abolitionist cause. The raid and the South’s subsequent reaction confirmed that the South would never abolish slavery and that radical measures might be the only way to secure freedom for the slaves. With this backdrop, the Democratic Party met in Charleston, South Carolina to select their candidate for President. Though the party had escaped the same fate as their fellow Whigs, events over the last few months transformed the Democratic convention into a well-organized assembly of party bosses into a near-riot. Northern Democrats, polarized and aware of their declining appeal in the North, pushed against Southern attempts to codify the Dred Scott decision in their party platform or support the expansion of slavery beyond the territories in favor of a more moderate message. The struggle between the two factions caused chaos on the convention floor, which culminated in almost the entire Southern delegation leaving in protest. Six weeks later, the Democrats were finally able to select their nominee, Stephen Douglas. In response, the walk-outs nominated their own candidate, Vice-President Breckenridge. Meanwhile, the newly-formed Republican Party met in Chicago. Knowing that Democratic turmoil gave them a chance, the party debated nominating several anti-slavery moderates before settling on the little-known Abraham Lincoln and the passionate “Great Apostate,” Hannibal Hamlin. Running on a platform that idealizes the frontier, the self-made man, and the American Dream, the Republicans have painted slavery as a threat slowly corrupting the nation. Using Lincoln’s own reputation for honest and folsky wisdom, the Republicans have used simple logic to show the slow expansion of slavery across the nation and hinted to the North that they must come together to avoid subjugation at the hands of slaveowners. While Lincoln’s rhetoric is moderate, by Republican standards, it has further inflamed the South, which has threatened secession if Lincoln is elected. Fearful of the threats posed by all three candidates, a group of former Whigs and Know-Nothings have come together to present their own nominee, John Bell. Running on a platform of national unity, John Bell has made speeches across the country begging the nation to step back from the precipice. Though his electoral chances are dim, Bell prays that he can attract just enough electoral support to cause a run-off election, wherein he might force the other parties to make serious concessions and avoid civil war. Meanwhile, vigilante justice continues across the frontier. Newspapers are already stoking the flames of rebellion and the states are gearing up for war... REPUBLICAN PARTY NOMINEES: Presidential Nominee: Abraham Lincoln
Vice Presidential Nominee: Hannibal Hamlin
DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINEES: Presidential Nominee: John C. Breckinridge
Vice Presidential Nominee: Joseph Lane
CONSTITUTIONAL UNION / WHIG PARTY NOMINEES: Presidential Nominee: John Bell
Vice Presidential Nominee: Edward Everett
DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINEES: Presidential Nominee: Stephen A. Douglas
Vice Presidential Nominee: Herschel V. Johnson
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Lincoln/Hamlin '60. (You've got Hamlin's surname wrong in the ballot. )
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kalstrams posted:Lincoln/Hamlin '60. You know, that's what I get for listening to Hamilton while writing up the ballot.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 14:06 |
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So it's finally come to this.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 14:34 |
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Lincoln's party affiliation is Democratic?
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 14:47 |
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Thump! posted:Lincoln's party affiliation is Democratic? A vote for Lincoln is a vote for: (Vote Lincoln.)
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 15:26 |
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A vote for Bell is a vote for the Constitution also a vote against hundreds of thousands dying in a gruesome war
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 15:29 |
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John Dough posted:A vote for Bell is a vote for the Constitution Since when have we ever let that stop us? Vote Lincoln, vote Civil War 8, vote the only moral vote.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 15:46 |
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Listen, if you don't want half the country killing the other half every 4 years, you can get out. That's just how democracy works.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 15:48 |
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Finally the civil wars will be over
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 15:49 |
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QuoProQuid posted:For their part, the South’s apoplectic reaction to Lincoln’s candidacy has caused large shows of support from abolitionist communities, who hope to elect Lincoln if only to spite slaveholders. Ah yes spite, the greatest electoral motivator.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 15:51 |
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John Dough posted:A vote for Bell is a vote for the Constitution That genie is what we call, out of the bottle as it were. The South was never going to give up slaves willingly, it's time to take their toy away from them (again). MMM Whatchya Say posted:Finally the civil wars will be over I am fully prepared to go to war over the Hamiltonian ideal of (rolls d6) Bimetalism.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 15:51 |
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Mr. Lincoln is the only candidate I trust to handle the growing southern vampire problem.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 15:53 |
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I definitely trust a man named Hannibal with public office, and I guess Abe's okay too.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 16:36 |
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I'll once again cast my vote for the candidate most likely to bring misery and suffering to those slave-holding sonsabitches south of the Mason-Dixon. LINCOLN! *burns down a plantation*
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 16:39 |
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So did the H-man do anything interesting in office? Did he suspend some civil liberties? Get angry at generals? Eat a living, screaming, human being? Have a quirky high pitched voice that popular media has overridden? Get assassinated? All the talk is always about Lincoln.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 16:50 |
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Fun fact about the Panic of 1857: contributing to it was the sinking of the SS Central America. Without that gold, many banks became insolvent, economic panic, etc. Remember this the next time somebody starts talking about the virtues of "gold is money"
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Octatonic posted:So did the H-man do anything interesting in office? Did he suspend some civil liberties? Get angry at generals? Eat a living, screaming, human being? Have a quirky high pitched voice that popular media has overridden? Get assassinated? All the talk is always about Lincoln. Hamlin got bored of being Vice President and joined the Maine Coast Guard as a private while he was still in office.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 16:55 |
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At least fiat money floats.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 16:55 |
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And when did presidential candidates stop having beards? This country is going downhill let me tell you.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 17:18 |
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John Dough posted:And when did presidential candidates stop having beards? This country is going downhill let me tell you. TR's handlebar was so manly it discouraged the practice.
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Pakled posted:Hamlin got bored of being Vice President and joined the Maine Coast Guard as a private while he was still in office. Well, alright then. That'd explain his general absence from primary education for sure. He was maybe also the first Sadbrains vice president! I found this quote about being in office: "I am only a fifth wheel of a coach and can do little for my friends"
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Aliquid posted:At least fiat money floats. Fiat Money makes a great child building material as well.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 17:49 |
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Octatonic posted:Well, alright then. That'd explain his general absence from primary education for sure. Really? Because Lincoln is famous for being a sadbrain sufferer. No wonder they got along.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 17:52 |
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I think Lincoln might win this unanimously amongst those not making irony votes. We already have abolished slavery several times, let's do it for real now.
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# ? Mar 20, 2016 18:02 |
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Nebakenezzer posted:TR's handlebar was so manly it discouraged the practice. No I mean the current lot, and also the previous election.
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The Republican platform currently includes an anti-Beard plank, this has pushed mainstream America to the left on the topic of beards.
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