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Kazvall posted:Absolute scrubs in here talking down on Heretic without evening mentioning doom2's city levels. It wasn't until the Giant Bomb did their Doom 2 thing that I realized Doom II is supposed to take place on earth, and those levels are supposed to represent cities and towns.
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FanaticalMilk posted:It wasn't until the Giant Bomb did their Doom 2 thing that I realized Doom II is supposed to take place on earth, and those levels are supposed to represent cities and towns.  Like where did you think you were? The "Suburbs" of Hell, where Jim McDemon and his wife and 2.5 demon kids live in a lovely subdivision run by an HOA that makes Satan Himself seem like an okay guy?
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Xenomrph posted:The game is literally titled "Doom II: Hell on Earth", and the plot screens tell you that you're on earth and stuff. In his defense, Doom's strength is how abstract its level design is. E1M1 is a "hangar"? Yeah right. Buuuuut yeah its called "Doom 2 hell on earth", so between that and the skybox changes I figured it out pretty quick.
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Mar 21, 2016 16:57
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Xenomrph posted:The game is literally titled "Doom II: Hell on Earth", and the plot screens tell you that you're on earth and stuff. Yeah, it was definitely one of those "How have I lived this long without realizing this" moments, but I guess I just never paid any attention to the plot when I was playing Doom II back in the day.
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Mar 21, 2016 16:59
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Zaphod42 posted:This right here is why Hexen is in fact bad. Heretic is boring. I tried, I really did, but it's a pale Doom clone. Hexen is fun if you know what to do/where everything is. First time through it's a bitch. It's also super fun as co-op Later Doom 2 levels (specifically the city levels as mentioned) get too annoying and you run around trying to find keys rather than shooting poo poo but it's OK. There's one red key you have to get in a level (I forget the name of even though I just played it) where you have to activate a switch to bring down a wall to open up a teleporter that you then go through which takes you to some place where you don't get the red key...you have to go through the teleporter, and then turn around and go BACK through it and it teleports you to a different place where the key is. Who's the bright motherfucker who came up with that idea? It's not clever it's just annoying as gently caress.
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Mar 21, 2016 17:02
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Levitate posted:Heretic is boring. I tried, I really did, but it's a pale Doom clone. I ended up resorting to a YouTube walk through to figure that poo poo out.
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Mar 21, 2016 17:13
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Levitate posted:Heretic is boring. I tried, I really did, but it's a pale Doom clone. That's Industrial Zone and lmao if you don't just take the secret exit instead
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Yeah if they had put a subtle arrow on the floor or wall texture pointing back at the teleporter I'd be OK with it but as I recall there's nothing to indicate that's what you should do. It's just a case of "people will run around until they've exhausted every other possibility and step back through the teleporter and discover it by accident" e: don't know about the secret exit, I've only played through Doom 2 like once before this and mainly because the later levels start losing some fun and start to become a chore.
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Xenomrph posted:I know exactly what key you're talking about, I think it's in the map "Downtown". The game doesn't give you any indication that going back through the teleporter will send you anywhere other than where you came from. And as an added "gently caress you", the red key is in plain sight, there's just no obvious way to get it. I remember this level and it took me over an hour, I just brute forced it by trying everything over and over. Definitely confusing as gently caress.
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Mar 21, 2016 17:23
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Xenomrph posted:The game is literally titled "Doom II: Hell on Earth", and the plot screens tell you that you're on earth and stuff. Don't be silly, Jim McDemon lives in the Monster Condo.
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FanaticalMilk posted:Yeah, it was definitely one of those "How have I lived this long without realizing this" moments, but I guess I just never paid any attention to the plot when I was playing Doom II back in the day. Don't worry, you're doing the right thing. Paying any mind to plot in video games is where bad goon opinions start to happen.
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Zigmidge posted:Don't worry, you're doing the right thing. Paying any mind to plot in video games is where bad goon opinions start to happen. Nah, I pay attention to the plots in games, I just think my shareware copy may have had those sequences cut out. Videogame plots are awesome and ridiculous, the problem is when you start analyze them like you're writing your senior thesis on "War and Peace". People should just chill out and enjoy the zaniness that is video game plot justification.
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DOOM 64 IS THE REAL DOOM 3! JOIN MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN PRAYER TO THE ALMIGHTY NINTENDO GODS!
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Kazvall posted:DOOM 64 IS THE REAL DOOM 3! JOIN MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN PRAYER TO THE ALMIGHTY NINTENDO GODS! Unironically this. I'm really glad there are Doom 64 wads and ports readily available, because it's a pretty great game and deserves the Doom name.
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Mar 21, 2016 18:51
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Doom 64 was darker than Doom 3. Not in the metaphorical sense either. You just can't see poo poo. God help you if you plan to play in a
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Broose posted:Doom 64 was darker than Doom 3. Not in the metaphorical sense either. You just can't see poo poo. God help you if you plan to play in a All the n64 fps suffered from really bad gamma, but Doom 64 had the option to turn the gamma up at least, and to become the least offensive. Anyways, now there's a few options for Doom 64 ports/wads that you can play on PC.
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Mar 21, 2016 19:04
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Whoever at nintendo said it was okay to release Hexen 64, was probably blind. You can't see a loving thing.
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Mar 21, 2016 19:05
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A friend and I beat Hexen 64, once, when we were young. Through rentals 
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Mar 21, 2016 19:24
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Kazvall posted:Whoever at nintendo said it was okay to release Hexen 64, was probably blind. You can't see a loving thing. Nintendo seal of quality 
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Ahundredbux posted:I love Project Brutality and I find the ultra-violence to be hilarious in both that and the new Doom Do you know of any good map packs for Doom 2 that work with Project Brutality?
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Mar 21, 2016 20:16
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Jia posted:That's Industrial Zone and lmao if you don't just take the secret exit instead Hell, you don't even need the red key for the regular exit. Just skip it entirely.
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Ball Cupper posted:Hell, you don't even need the red key for the regular exit. Just skip it entirely.
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http://www.polygon.com/2016/3/21/11277348/doom-multiplayer-modes-types-video Doom will feature six multiplayer modes when it launches May 13, and a trailer published today details all of them. The modes are called Soul Harvest, Freeze Tag, Warpath, Clan Arena, Domination and Team Deathmatch. Direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr_df-GlX0E
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Mar 21, 2016 22:51
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Mar 21, 2016 22:59
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Awesome Welles posted:...No...no CTF? Yeah that's a ridiculously glaring omission. CTF was THE game mode for Quake and Quake 3 for me. Although lots of games have skipped on CTF lately, for whatever dumb reason. I guess its too old-fashioned? (what about DM?) but this is DOOM!
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Zaphod42 posted:http://www.polygon.com/2016/3/21/11277348/doom-multiplayer-modes-types-video AND the beta starts in 10 days!  Thanks Zaphod42 for cluing me in on the thread. Also there's nothing that says they can't add on CTF later on. I mean if they listened to people about the generic as gently caress cover then they really can't ignore the cacophony there probably already is about no CTF.
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Awesome Welles posted:...No...no CTF? I'm sure Bethesda will release expansive mod support enabling this.
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Xenomrph posted:Are you sure we're all thinking of the same map? I'm phone posting at work so I can't really check YouTube, so I'll check when I get home. I am thinking of Map 15 Industrial Zone, in Doom 2.
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is it confirmed that there's not going to be any sort of movement than running around?
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Pomp posted:is it confirmed that there's not going to be any sort of movement than running around? As in?
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Cacodemon mounts.
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fishmech posted:As in? ways to go fast, or quickly change trajectory. doom didn't have them, but doom also has you running at the speed of sound. Jumping looks like the hella slow floaty halo jumps, and the run still looks too slow to create a high skill cap in multiplayer. Single player looks like it might be fun, but the slow movement makes it look like demon halo rather than doom, let alone quake.
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fishmech posted:As in? Wavedashing
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Pomp posted:ways to go fast, or quickly change trajectory. doom didn't have them, but doom also has you running at the speed of sound. Jumping looks like the hella slow floaty halo jumps, and the run still looks too slow to create a high skill cap in multiplayer. Single player looks like it might be fun, but the slow movement makes it look like demon halo rather than doom, let alone quake. You can probably do rocket-jumps and boosts, unless they specifically special-cased physics-stuff to prevent it
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Pomp posted:ways to go fast, or quickly change trajectory. doom didn't have them, but doom also has you running at the speed of sound. Jumping looks like the hella slow floaty halo jumps, and the run still looks too slow to create a high skill cap in multiplayer. Single player looks like it might be fun, but the slow movement makes it look like demon halo rather than doom, let alone quake. The alpha multi was pretty twitchy and felt fast, just not old first doom fast. That'd be too much. Jumping was pretty precise, the mantling helped with the ledges. Rocket Jumping was drat hard to do and really damaging.
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No deathmatch? What the gently caress are they doing over there?
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Jiro posted:The alpha multi was pretty twitchy and felt fast, just not old first doom fast. That'd be too much. Jumping was pretty precise, the mantling helped with the ledges. Rocket Jumping was drat hard to do and really damaging. There will possibly be a strafe jumping ut-style mutator according to leaked/hacked alpha footage but it looks incredibly janky and hacked together for now. The acceleration & air strafing looked very bizarre, like the pitiable attempt in that 'strafe' game. I wouldn't expect much. koren fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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I've been calling this game Retard 4
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koren posted:Despite your best efforts, this post does not inspire confidence. Man I have no idea what you're expecting then other than Quake Live.
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I've been calling Black Baby Goku Retard 4
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