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darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?
skullgirls being bad has nothing to do with it having sexy anime ladies (& the characters still make anime porn orgasm faces whenever you hit them so redrawing a couple sprites to not show panties or w/e doesn't really change this) and everything to do with all the mechanics being horrible & stupid

marvel 2 style reset heavy focus in a game without marvel 2 mobility/assists/screen size is a horrible idea, there's nothing fun about having to guess when exactly filla is going to end this combo and throw you into a high/low/throw/crossup mixup again that all lead back into the same combo into the same reset

the custom assist system is a huge joke because in order to "balance" the game they made most of the good moves incompatible with the system (IE you don't get a proper beam assist from peacock because you have to mash to shoot more than once) which means that every character has one, maybe two moves worth using as assists so the entire system might as well not exist anyway. I dont give a gently caress if mike Z pretends you can totally use jab assists to help set up tick throws, nobody ever uses that over stuff like flying rear end

the well advertised IPS system is a mess, it lead into 30 second combos before they changed it but now the big feature of this game not limiting your combos with arbitrary rules is no longer true and you still get thrown into a blender of many 15 second combos so it didn't really change anything

this last one is more opinion based but all of the characters suffer a similar problem with blazblue where they're overdesigned. Everything about their moves is so fine tuned to make them do one thing and do that one thing over and over that there isn't really any variety or tech to discover. This is probably because the devs are Actual Fighting Game Players and so they give them moves that whatever archetype is expected or "should" have but it makes everyone feel super linear and not unique compared to other fighting games.

It also doesn't help that the developers are stupid as hell and do stuff like massively overhaul how a character plays/combos and tells the fanbase to deal with it and get ripped off by publishers so they can't make any money to finish their games

darealkooky fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Mar 22, 2016

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darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?

Fenn the Fool! posted:

For what it's worth, Skullgirls tries to be both fanservice and a deconstruction of fanservice. Take Valentine, the sexy nurse; pretty blatant character design, but she purposely fights with everything that is unsettling, unnerving, and unsexy about medicine. Bone saws, body-bags, needles, and anesthesia, her level 3 super is literally just performing a surgery, but with spooky framing and sound effects. Body horror is also a central theme, as shown by Fillia, Eliza, Painwheel, Ms Fortune, and Double; even Big Band is actually a dude in an iron lung and Peacock is terrifying when you realize her eyes are actually empty sockets. At the end of the day the game still has way more fanservice in it than I'd like, but it has some really interesting character designs that have a whole lot more going on than Anime Tittays.

no alex ahad just jerks off to stuff like this, sorry

darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?
street fighter V: talk about every game but street fighter V

Flinger
Oct 16, 2012

Fenn the Fool! posted:

For what it's worth, Skullgirls tries to be both fanservice and a deconstruction of fanservice. Take Valentine, the sexy nurse; pretty blatant character design, but she purposely fights with everything that is unsettling, unnerving, and unsexy about medicine. Bone saws, body-bags, needles, and anesthesia, her level 3 super is literally just performing a surgery, but with spooky framing and sound effects. Body horror is also a central theme, as shown by Fillia, Eliza, Painwheel, Ms Fortune, and Double; even Big Band is actually a dude in an iron lung and Peacock is terrifying when you realize her eyes are actually empty sockets. At the end of the day the game still has way more fanservice in it than I'd like, but it has some really interesting character designs that have a whole lot more going on than Anime Tittays.

you sound like a tvtropes article

Ventana
Mar 28, 2010

*Yosh intensifies*

bhsman posted:

EDIT: ^^^I'd argue Eliza is played up a bit as a sex symbol up until the second you start using her moves :v:


Well, even beyond the whole "uses blood all the time to transform own body" and literally turning into a skeleton schticks, Eliza actually isn't that bad. Her outfit shows a bunch of skin with her not really having basically a short skirt and she shows cleavage, but most of the angles on her animations don't put her at typical fanservice-y angles. It really shows when you start comparing her to Bella and Valentine, and you see that Eliza barely tries to do much if anything like that.

Well, aside from her taunt I guess if you could somehow ignore the spooky scary skeleton.


darealkooky posted:

(& the characters still make anime porn orgasm faces whenever you hit them so redrawing a couple sprites to not show panties or w/e doesn't really change this)

Besides being dumb and wrong in your entire post, lol

Fereydun
May 9, 2008

Hobojim
Oct 31, 2011


God this loving thread...

Does anybody play FANG? In SFV, not one of the other games everybody wants to talk about in the SFV thread. I need some matchup experience and only one person on my friend's list plays him, but not as his main. You don't have to be a good FANG, but knowing what to do is a plus.

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord
I think if I knew anyone that played F-A-N-G I would stop being their friend so consider that as an option.

Brosnan
Nov 13, 2004

Pwning the incels with my waifu fg character. Get trolled :twisted:
Lipstick Apathy
I like this thread right now.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

Hobojim posted:

Does anybody play FANG?

No

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

Brosnan posted:

I like this thread right now.

:same:

Ventana
Mar 28, 2010

*Yosh intensifies*

Brosnan posted:

I like this thread right now.

It's a lot better when we don't have to talk about SF5, yeah

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

Hobojim posted:

God this loving thread...

Does anybody play FANG? In SFV, not one of the other games everybody wants to talk about in the SFV thread. I need some matchup experience and only one person on my friend's list plays him, but not as his main. You don't have to be a good FANG, but knowing what to do is a plus.

Do you understand japanese? Here's the topanga episode where mago, tokido, and momochi figured out how they were going to murk sonicfox:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hP5pQeYwMY

if only i could understand japanese :negative:

It's funny how art's setting up a private discord chat to share tech with the big names in the west while japan has 3 of the gods just going over it on stream and youtube for 2 hours for everyone who can understand japanese. momochi talked about the fuzzy jump in one of his introduction videos lol

e: also, is it possible that sonicfox is the best american playing one of the worst characters in the game right now? snake eyez 2.0?

fozzy fosbourne fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Mar 22, 2016

darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?

Ventana posted:

Besides being dumb and wrong in your entire post, lol



Cat Machine
Jun 18, 2008

fozzy fosbourne posted:

if only i could understand japanese :negative:

It's funny how art's setting up a private discord chat to share tech with the big names in the west while japan has 3 of the gods just going over it on stream and youtube for 2 hours for everyone who can understand english. momochi talked about the fuzzy jump in one of his introduction videos lol

e: also, is it possible that sonicfox is the best american playing one of the worst characters in the game right now? snake eyez 2.0?
please dont go off-topic in the street fighter v thread by talking about street fighter v, thanks

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

fozzy fosbourne posted:

Do you understand japanese? Here's the topanga episode where mago, tokido, and momochi figured out how they were going to murk sonicfox:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hP5pQeYwMY

if only i could understand japanese :negative:

It's funny how art's setting up a private discord chat to share tech with the big names in the west while japan has 3 of the gods just going over it on stream and youtube for 2 hours for everyone who can understand english. momochi talked about the fuzzy jump in one of his introduction videos lol

e: also, is it possible that sonicfox is the best american playing one of the worst characters in the game right now? snake eyez 2.0?

Ah, you found the Japanese scene's well-hidden tech! Must be one of Art's spies

Hobojim
Oct 31, 2011


Saint Freak posted:

I think if I knew anyone that played F-A-N-G I would stop being their friend so consider that as an option.

You have to out them as FANG players before you can defriend them, and now nobody's going to come out of the woodwork to admit it for fear of being defriended by Saint Freak. Perfectly good sting operation ruined, thanks a lot rear end in a top hat.


fozzy fosbourne posted:

Do you understand japanese? Here's the topanga episode where mago, tokido, and momochi figured out how they were going to murk sonicfox:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hP5pQeYwMY

if only i could understand japanese :negative:

It's funny how art's setting up a private discord chat to share tech with the big names in the west while japan has 3 of the gods just going over it on stream and youtube for 2 hours for everyone who can understand english. momochi talked about the fuzzy jump in one of his introduction videos lol

e: also, is it possible that sonicfox is the best american playing one of the worst characters in the game right now? snake eyez 2.0?

I don't, but thanks for the vid anyway. Maybe I'll just try him out myself, see what works and what doesn't.

Dracula Factory
Sep 7, 2007


I really wish Mika had a less ridiculous costume, because I love her moves and her style. Her alt is better but still not great. I just want her to wear something that a wrestler or fighter might actually wear. I wish every character had some street clothes options like Rashid.

Ventana
Mar 28, 2010

*Yosh intensifies*

Before the thread starts filling with more SG animations let me clarify the point since you didn't seem to get it: no, most hitstuns/grabstuns in the game are not porn faces, only a select few out of the like...hundreds? are like that. Most of them that you see all the time are just people reeling backwards like in vsav or w/e. If you want to try and cherry pick a bunch more, at least put them in SG thread where it (and this discussion) is relevant.

darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?

Dracula Factory posted:

I really wish Mika had a less ridiculous costume, because I love her moves and her style. Her alt is better but still not great. I just want her to wear something that a wrestler or fighter might actually wear.

that IS something a female wrestler would wear? literally google "female wrestler" and especially "japanese female wrestler" and you'll see stuff that exposes the same or more skin as mika does

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI
Just when you think this thread can't get any worse, goons start having a debate about the gender politics of skullgirls

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Dracula Factory posted:

I really wish Mika had a less ridiculous costume, because I love her moves and her style. Her alt is better but still not great. I just want her to wear something that a wrestler or fighter might actually wear. I wish every character had some street clothes options like Rashid.

She wears more clothes than the average WWE wrestler male or female

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

Dracula Factory posted:

I really wish Mika had a less ridiculous costume, because I love her moves and her style. Her alt is better but still not great. I just want her to wear something that a wrestler or fighter might actually wear. I wish every character had some street clothes options like Rashid.

I mean by the end of SF4 each character had like 6 alts so just wait a while and you'll get like a mika frankenstein outfit or something

Help Im Alive fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Mar 22, 2016

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Well to be fair you can't even play SFV today if you wanted to, because the servers are being taken offline for 7+ hours . So what else is there to talk about

croutonZA
Jan 5, 2011
Mika, including her costumes, is the best thing about this game by some distance.

Also, why is everyone on the internet losing their loving mind about Haunt's troll the other night? It was kinda awkward but people are acting like Capcom took a poo poo in their mouths or something.

rednecked_crake
Mar 17, 2012

srsly who wants to play this lamer?
I'm so used to Mash players doing v-trigger as soon as they get it that I'm just pre-emptively jumping for a punish instead of cr.hp.

https://a.pomf.cat/jxtbkm.webm

dangerdoom volvo
Nov 5, 2009

croutonZA posted:

Mika, including her costumes, is the best thing about this game by some distance.

Also, why is everyone on the internet losing their loving mind about Haunt's troll the other night? It was kinda awkward but people are acting like Capcom took a poo poo in their mouths or something.

Capcom maybe arent in the best position to not deliver on expectations right now

Dracula Factory
Sep 7, 2007


darealkooky posted:

that IS something a female wrestler would wear? literally google "female wrestler" and especially "japanese female wrestler" and you'll see stuff that exposes the same or more skin as mika does

I did just this and almost all of them were wearing some sort of sports bra/short shorts combo(which is the sort of reasonable thing that you would expect). It took a long time till I found anyone who shared Mika's dumb frills and there was certainly nobody with 3 ft long pigtails. I guess what I really want is to be able to play as Nadeshiko with Mika's moves. Her appearance just makes so much more sense. /sperg over

bhsman
Feb 10, 2008

by exmarx

In Training posted:

She wears more clothes than the average WWE wrestler male or female

Yeah man, Mika's tits are staying in her brassiere with Muscle Spirit alone.

EDIT: Mika's Alpha costume was not only closer to actual women's wrestler outfits, but modern women's wrestling outfits probably shouldn't be left as the standard, especially in terms of sexual exploitation.

That said, I agree: Mika seems really fun to play but her outfit is a bit too ridiculous. Same with Laura: put her in an actual jiu-jitsu gi (or at least give her a sports bra, Jesus) and I'm 100% more interested in that character.

bhsman fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Mar 22, 2016

Nodoze
Aug 17, 2006

If it's only for a night I can live without you

fozzy fosbourne posted:


e: also, is it possible that sonicfox is the best american playing one of the worst characters in the game right now? snake eyez 2.0?

No

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord
Is there a mod that turns Mika into Miku yet and if not why?


edit: Keep her weird smoker's voice though

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010


Alright who's the best chief

It seems like PR Rog, Snake Eyez, Sonicfox and Jwong are the contenders right now

Dracula Factory
Sep 7, 2007


Mika's outfit is a bunch of inch-wide vinyl straps that vacuum seal to her body before every match. Forget double-sided tape, theres gorilla glue keeping that thing on her.

rednecked_crake
Mar 17, 2012

srsly who wants to play this lamer?
Make a Kana costume for Mika.

Hobojim
Oct 31, 2011


bhsman posted:

Yeah man, Mika's tits are staying in her brassiere with Muscle Spirit alone.

EDIT: Mika's Alpha costume was not only closer to actual women's wrestler outfits, but modern women's wrestling outfits probably shouldn't be left as the standard, especially in terms of sexual exploitation.

That said, I agree: Mika seems really fun to play but her outfit is a bit too ridiculous. Same with Laura: put her in an actual jiu-jitsu gi (or at least give her a sports bra, Jesus) and I'm 100% more interested in that character.

I was really hoping Laura's second costume would be a gi but instead we got that retarded half-shirt and thong. Ah well, I'm sure a gi costume will come along eventually.

I've seen a few streams with costume mods, so I'm sure there'll be some awesome (as well as some ridiculous and horrible) costumes readily available, even if only you can see them.

bhsman
Feb 10, 2008

by exmarx

HoboWithAShotgun posted:

Make a Kana costume for Mika.



I'm down.

And for what it's worth, it's not a prudishness thing, it's just that excessive fanservice just takes me out of the game (granted, this is a game with fireballs and piledrivers that plant people in two feet of ground, but yeah).

darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?

bhsman posted:

Mika's Alpha costume was not only closer to actual women's wrestler outfits, but modern women's wrestling outfits probably shouldn't be left as the standard, especially in terms of sexual exploitation

the two outfits are identical except alpha mika has hearts on her chest and the string between her giant rear end cheeks is marginally bigger, probably because 1999 sprites can't properly show that thin of a line

bhsman
Feb 10, 2008

by exmarx
Oh hey Hobojim and any other Necalli players: in case you missed me sharing this awhile back, here is a very useful punish guide with Necalli that has a recommended punish for most moves against every character.

darealkooky posted:

the two outfits are identical except alpha mika has hearts on her chest and the string between her giant rear end cheeks is marginally bigger, probably because 1999 sprites can't properly show that thin of a line

Nah, I mean even in the art her breasts and butt are covered up more (even if only marginally).

Fereydun
May 9, 2008

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croutonZA
Jan 5, 2011
Funky looking lava lamp.

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