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Goodpart posted:I mean you've answered your own question. Never block what you can DP. Its not a true blockstring but pushing buttons will get you counterhit every time. st.mk cr.mp mk stomp cant be challenged with 3f jabs and he'll get a trade combo if you try to interrupt the stomp with it. The only ways ryu can challenge are with dp or parry, both very risky options.
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bhsman posted:There are a lot of fighting game terms that sound silly or dumb, not sure why this one is the back-breaker. As a new player, my personal favourite nonsensical word is tk. Label every just off the ground aerial special move a tiger knee? Even for moves that aren't QCF and require an input motion that doesn't resemble the tiger knee command? Even though tiger knee hasn't even had the associated input since SF2? Sure, why not.
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bhsman posted:Multiple big-name players have admitted it's a critical part of the game, tough poo poo? As is hitconfirming and whiff punishing but you don't see Reddit going wild about the HITCONFIRM META
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Arzachel posted:As is hitconfirming and whiff punishing but you don't see Reddit going wild about the HITCONFIRM META Hit confirms are a critical part of almost every fighting game, but the shimmy was devalued by FADC in SF4 and it's having a resurgence in SFV. Stop getting mad at video games, basically (not you in particular, of course)
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bhsman posted:Hit confirms are a critical part of almost every fighting game, but the shimmy was devalued by FADC in SF4 and it's having a resurgence in SFV. lmao
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You did the exact thing we're making fun of, you're that person.
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I know a guy that shorted the shimmy market right before it devalued and he made a killing.
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In Training posted:Smash players using the term Lag for frame data This is way worse than shimmy. "Startup lag", "Ending Lag".
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Ventana posted:This is way worse than shimmy. "Startup lag", "Ending Lag". Shimmy isn't bad though. It's canon
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I like Shimmy it reminds me how loving slow this game is. Maybe if they make Turbo mode we can upgrade to a shuffle, or even a mosey.
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Infiltration and Tokido both said the game is very fast. Also canon now
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The game is so fast that it appears slow, like when you look at hubcaps on the freeway and they look like they're going slowly backwards.
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fozzy fosbourne posted:Infiltration and Tokido both said the game is very fast. Also canon now It's fast when both players are constantly dashing which is pretty cool
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:You did the exact thing we're making fun of, Play Tokido in a FT5 to determine Shimmy use rights Otherwise quit being a baby about video games? 
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what the hell are you even talking about
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:what the hell are you even talking about We're talking about a good game here.
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Worst word in SF has to be Meaty right? It's bad.
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Jmcrofts posted:Worst word in SF has to be Meaty right? It's bad. It's kinda fun to say but isn't intuitive at all, yeah.
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attackmole posted:As a new player, my personal favourite nonsensical word is tk. Label every just off the ground aerial special move a tiger knee? Even for moves that aren't QCF and require an input motion that doesn't resemble the tiger knee command? Even though tiger knee hasn't even had the associated input since SF2? Sure, why not. If it makes you feel any better you can think of it as being an acronym for teikuu ("low altitude") which is the Japanese term for an air move done as low as possible 
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Dr. Video Games 0112 posted:I wouldn't worry about it. Trying to make things more accessible and in the end making them harder for everyone is the entire history of Capcom. Remember FADC? I had to force myself to slow down qcf motions after walking forward because otherwise a dp would cone out even when ending the motion on up forward, not sure who thought that was a good idea.
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Jmcrofts posted:Worst word in SF has to be Meaty right? It's bad. I don't know what it means
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It's when you distract the opponent with Zangief's muscles
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The main thing is I just like making fun of people who make jargon-laden posts and actually have no idea what they're talking about so it just comes across as Fighting Game Terminology Word Salad. "FADC devalued the shimmy" gave me a good laugh. The other thing is it's a new-ish term taken from an ironic thing (GOOTECKS SHIMMY) for a technique that's been around forever without needing a name. It's also not descriptive or intuitive at all, not that the majority of fighting game jargon is, so seeing that as a "defense" is funny.
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Meta is the really upsetting part of that image
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ugh https://a.pomf.cat/pnfxxa.webm
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dangerdoom volvo posted:Meta is the really upsetting part of that image Definitely. MOBA poison running deep
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:The main thing is I just like making fun of people who make jargon-laden posts and actually have no idea what they're talking about so it just comes across as Fighting Game Terminology Word Salad. "FADC devalued the shimmy" gave me a good laugh. Fetishing jargon/word salad is my gimmick, though.  I'm just re-phrasing what guys like PR Balrog or LI Joe have mentioned during their streams and that was my view as well; you sure you aren't on the outside looking in here?quote:The other thing is it's a new-ish term taken from an ironic thing (GOOTECKS SHIMMY) for a technique that's been around forever without needing a name. It's also not descriptive or intuitive at all, not that the majority of fighting game jargon is, so seeing that as a "defense" is funny. I know, because you and others have complained about it before, but that doesn't change the fact that people like using the term. It just comes across as 'Gamer is angry at bhsman fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Mar 23, 2016 |
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AnonSpore posted:If it makes you feel any better you can think of it as being an acronym for teikuu ("low altitude") which is the Japanese term for an air move done as low as possible My second least favourite word is "oki" because I hate seeing white people adopt pidgin Japanese for no reason  . But yeah, that at least makes a little more sense gameplay wise.
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attackmole posted:My second least favourite word is "oki" because I hate seeing white people adopt pidgin Japanese for no reason I think most people use it just cause it's quicker than saying "pressure on wakeup" everytime. Of course, the guys that say Okizeme kinda invalidates my point. But that's at least the reason I use it.
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bhsman posted:I know, because you and others have complained about it before, but that doesn't change the fact that people like using the term. It just comes across as 'Gamer is angry at It's funny because people cling and inflate the meaning of random words to make themselves feel better about being bad at videogames. No one is going to take shimmy away from you.
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bhsman posted:Hit confirms are a critical part of almost every fighting game, but the shimmy was devalued by FADC in SF4 and it's having a resurgence in SFV. Please explain how FADC devalued the shimmy
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English speaking FGC adopted Oki and Abare because they were useful terms for concepts that we didn't already have words for. Looks like maybe overseas FGCs might be doing that with Shimmy too!
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it all started when shim "four feet" butcher got in the scene. it's never been the same since, kid.
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last i heard they cemented his footsies and they dumped him in the spooky stream
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the capcops had it in for him though. and when i look at the data? yeah, i think he was framed.
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Arzachel posted:It's funny because people cling and inflate the meaning of random words to make themselves feel better about being bad at videogames. No one is going to take shimmy away from you. Not to bring up law school again, but this is ironically a big issue in legal practice because people spend years reading high-minded and technical language and forget to break it down into pieces that are easier to consume. My first year they even brought a professor in to give an hour long talk that could be boiled down to "Learn to talk like a human and not a robot." You can tell how well I took to it  Here, it's the opposite problem: People are (almost organically) using a term in place of explaining a strategy or gimmick, which happens so often in fighting games with stuff like meaty, fuzzy guard, vortex, etc., but shimmy seems to derange people. Even meta isn't that offensive and it's been around longer. interrodactyl posted:Please explain how FADC devalued the shimmy I'd have to dig for it but Alioune talked about it at length on Twitter once, though it was more a discussion about why FADC (and overreliance on it) made people bad at footsies.
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If there are three things I unironically love in this life it's fighting games, language theory, and gifs of 1980s anime. This thread fuckin' delivers. Thank you. Thank you all.
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