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Xealot posted:I'm kind of anticipating that'll happen. Not that the Hand will have anything to do with it, but that the blood-magic goth ritual poo poo will eventually connect to some wider vampire mythos. Bring back Sticky Fingaz
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Bring back Sticky Fingaz The Blade series was legit, just needed a little better balance on the vampire clan drama vs. Sticky Fingaz carving up fools.
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The season was really good starting out and reached a high point at the prison, but the final episodes were really weak. The black sky stuff was not well thought out and not really interesting. The blacksmith was way more interesting and should have been the main plot of the season. The whole tension between to kill or not to kill should have come to a head with the blacksmith. The hand stuff should have tied in to the blacksmith in some way. Also I was really annoyed with how much time we spent with Karen Page. She had some strong moments but I really didn't care enough about her character to see her instead of the heroes.
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Stumpus posted:Also I was really annoyed with how much time we spent with Karen Page. She had some strong moments but I really didn't care enough about her character to see her instead of the heroes. But she is herself a hero. We are all heroes. Everyone is heroes, and something something, because New York City.
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Mar 25, 2016 23:47
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Xealot posted:But she is herself a hero. We are all heroes. Everyone is heroes, and something something, because New York City. Yeah that was really, awful, for a lot of reasons.
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Xealot posted:But she is herself a hero. We are all heroes. Everyone is heroes, and something something, because New York City. We are all heroes because we own mirrors.
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Mar 26, 2016 00:26
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HIJK posted:We are all heroes because we own mirrors. It's not even fair whenever a TV show holds someone up as a great writer or speechwriter or whatever. You're just guaranteed that the end product won't hit as well as they intended it to.
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If they were good writers they wouldn't be producing screenplays.
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A.o.D. posted:If they were good writers they wouldn't be producing screenplays.
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Orange Crush Rush posted:Yeah that was really, awful, for a lot of reasons. My favorite way that this was awful is how Daredevil's reflection is one of the only things he cannot perceive in any way.
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Lurdiak posted:TMNT wasn't a parody. It was just an "homage", which is a nice way of saying ripoff. Lurdiak posted:Well if you can find any satirical elements in the first finished issue, let me know. Okay, I'm confused - which thing are you taking issue with? That it's a parody, a satire, or both? Also, it seems you're implying that something is satirical if it's both a parody and homage, and I'm curious about that.
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Light Gun Man posted:She's not as bad as Iris on the Flash at least. Karen isn't nearly as bad as Iris, and Iris isn't nearly as bad as Felicity
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bbf2 posted:Karen isn't nearly as bad as Iris, and Iris isn't nearly as bad as Felicity Felicity has skills and stuff though. Iris acts like she knows what's best for everyone, when she's a coffee shop worker turned blogger turned printed newspaper worker oh wow!
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Light Gun Man posted:Felicity has skills and stuff though. Iris acts like she knows what's best for everyone, when she's a coffee shop worker turned blogger turned printed newspaper worker oh wow! Felicity and Karen are the best parts of their respective shows. Karen owned a lot in season two, and did a lot to move the plot forward. I'm back and forth as to wether they should have mentioned her kill of Wesley directly. The worst thing about her was the out-of-nowhere attraction to Matt.
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All women in tv shows should be like Lagertha in Vikings.
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mclast posted:Karen owned a lot in season two, and did a lot to move the plot forward. I'm back and forth as to wether they should have mentioned her kill of Wesley directly. The worst thing about her was the out-of-nowhere attraction to Matt. In her defense, it's pretty hard to not be attracted to Charlie Cox.
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mclast posted:Felicity and Karen are the best parts of their respective shows. out of nowhere? she was into him last year too. also, he is charlie cox, it would be weird if she wasn't into him
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Call me crazy but the Mrs. Cardenas arc seemed like a much stronger relationship foundation than anything Karen and Matt had been through. Natural hotness ain't everything.
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nooneofconsequence posted:All women in tv shows should be like Lagertha in Vikings. She would wear the pants in any relationship.
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Xealot posted:But she is herself a hero. We are all heroes. Everyone is heroes, and something something, because New York City. I bet a bunch of them New Yorkers don't know who won the Daytona 500 or the last season of American Idol. I mean, do they even have a Myspace page? If not, then they can't be a true hero. 
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*slowly raises hand* I , too, find Karen miserably dull to watch. But I don't think that's a reflection on her actor or even, necessarily, her character - it's more about with Daredevil's failure to use its 'everyday' cast sensibly. Last night I ended up rewatching Episode 4 with a few friends who were seeing it for the first time. There were palpable groans every time we cut away from Frank's interrogation & daring escape / Matt's investigation and heroic rescue of an adversary, to return to...Karen, slowly walking around a house, gasping a lot. It wasn't just that one plotline was stuffed with action, thrills & character beats while moving quickly, and the other was slow and partially redundant. Despite moving at a snail's pace, Karen's story seemed remarkably uninvested in her, to the point that it just *ends* at the crucial moment when she's trying to escape from a suburban house as a vanful of hoodlums pulls up on the kerb. 'Oh, no! How is this character going to get out without being spotted?' 'Who cares, she's accomplished her goal of letting the camera focus meaningfully on household objects to fill in Frank's backstory.' Using a single secondary character as a crutch to plod through your storytelling busywork is always going to strain the audience's patience, especially when you're also setting them up as an 'ordinary' love interest who needs to whizz through 3 episodes of sweetness and light before suddenly becoming suspicious and angry. It's massively overstuffed, and everything ends up feeling unearned (unlicenced lone wolf private investigator and (multiple?) murderer Karen Page just can't take any more of Matt Murdock's secrets and lies!). I was sorry not to see more of Rosario Dawson this season, but I did appreciate how they used her - essentially, as a much-needed window into the everyday state of Hell's Kitchen for ordinary people. We get a chance to focus on the impact of the warring gangs, the criminality, the grit and grime, the cops and hospital workers struggling to do their best...that's a vital part of the entire story, and the vast majority of the time, DD just hasn't bothered to show us it. I'd have liked to have seen Foggy and Karen spend their screentime on more of the same, because they're in a perfect position to do so. Show us the lawyers struggling to deal with Devil Worshippers, muggings and robberies, the collateral damage, the urban decay. Fill out your show's landscape and depth - that's vital. Don't instead choose to give us 20+ scenes plodding through a hilariously simple conspiracy that Karen doesn't even end up solving, because Reyes reveals it all for us anyway. Missing corpse from the crime scene: it was a sting operation. Great, that was worthwhile.
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Just watched S2. Marathoned it  It was very good. I agree the faceless ninjas got a bit tiresome at the end but I really liked the shots of them just loving crawling out of the shadows and zerging everything. The fact that some of them (all of them?) are reanimated corpses is something I liked as well. Overall I didn't feel like The Hand was very interesting though, it really lacked a proper head honcho to be the face of it all and we headed into cartoon villain territory a little too fast with the kids in cages being drained of blood through huge tubes or whatever. Nobu was a fun fight but was hardly featured in this season so I just didn't care much. His execution was cool though I hate Foggy, he's garbage, I hope a ninja kills him. He whines way too much and looks like a dwarf Electra was great. I don't actually know anything about the comic character so I have no idea where this ressurection plot of hers is going to go, which I like, and I liked her romance with Matt more than Karens Frank loving Castle. The punisher was awesome and his jailfight scene was brutal and amazing. The only thing I missed was him mowing down some ninjas with his minigun there at the end  The cartoon xray of his skull was a little sillyKaren was great and I liked the relationship between her and the Punisher. I hope the punisherman gets his own TV show soon but I also want to see him featured more on Daredevil as well. I liked the interactions between him and Matt Zzulu fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Mar 26, 2016 |
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Maluco Marinero posted:It's not even fair whenever a TV show holds someone up as a great writer or speechwriter or whatever. You're just guaranteed that the end product won't hit as well as they intended it to. Similarly everyone freaking out about Foggy's opening statement and offering him a partnership because of it was really stupid. grobbo posted:*slowly raises hand* I liked Karen in the first season but I agree with all of this. She really didn't have a focus other than unraveling the lamest conspiracy ever, that there was a sting operation and some civilians got killed and way too much time got spent on it. Also the focus on her Frank Castle story that ended up being the stupid Time Man of the Year Mirror cover wasn't worth the investment. Her walking around the house and finding out that he had a family was not the reveal with the weight I think they thought it had especially when the Punisher explained it with a lot more emotion a scene later anyway. Her role just seemed kind of pointless and she could have been used better. Zzulu posted:I hate Foggy, he's garbage, I hope a ninja kills him. He whines way too much and looks like a dwarf I liked him last season but this one he was a pain and also he and Matt's relationship was a real bummer. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Mar 26, 2016 |
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Radish posted:Similarly everyone freaking out about Foggy's opening statement and offering him a partnership because of it was really stupid. My take on that was that she was basically telling him that he'd be on the fast track to partner, not day one they're changing the signs while hes still unpacking his poo poo. The Punisher trial would have been a high profile case, and making an opening statement (and running a defence) that actually had a chance of acquitting a high profile client who is plainly and obviously as guilty as gently caress is the kind of thing that would impress other lawyers. Sure he ended up being found guilty*, but the perception would be that they lost because Frank Castle is a fuckup who literally had an unhinged tantrum in court and refused to cooperate with his own defence. Almost winning a patently unwinnable case, just think what he could do if the client wasnt a volatile psychopath. *Did they technically lose? I got to that episode at stupid o'clock in the morning, so I'm not 100% sure, but was Frank ever actually found guilty, or did he escape before he was convicted? The point stands either way.
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SiKboy posted:*Did they technically lose? I got to that episode at stupid o'clock in the morning, so I'm not 100% sure, but was Frank ever actually found guilty, or did he escape before he was convicted? The point stands either way. I don't think the jury ever voted, or if they did we didn't see it. Castle escaped while in jail while on trial. Regardless of the specifics of Foggy's job offer, other lawyers could see he was the backbone of Nelson and Murdock and they think he is valuable and his talent is being wasted. Which is true.
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SiKboy posted:My take on that was that she was basically telling him that he'd be on the fast track to partner, not day one they're changing the signs while hes still unpacking his poo poo. The Punisher trial would have been a high profile case, and making an opening statement (and running a defence) that actually had a chance of acquitting a high profile client who is plainly and obviously as guilty as gently caress is the kind of thing that would impress other lawyers. Sure he ended up being found guilty*, but the perception would be that they lost because Frank Castle is a fuckup who literally had an unhinged tantrum in court and refused to cooperate with his own defence. Almost winning a patently unwinnable case, just think what he could do if the client wasnt a volatile psychopath. You know that Frank deliberately sank his own defense case, right? Not only that, but it was a deliberate, calculated action on his part, and not a tantrum. Did you miss the line that the Blacksmith's corrupt cop told Frank as he took the stand?
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A.o.D. posted:You know that Frank deliberately sank his own defense case, right? Not only that, but it was a deliberate, calculated action on his part, and not a tantrum. Did you miss the line that the Blacksmith's corrupt cop told Frank as he took the stand? That wasn't the Blacksmith, that was Fisk. Hence the scene in prison where Fisk offers to help him find the man responsible for his family's deaths.
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If season 3 starts with Karen having been let go from the Bulletin after they realized her writing was bad this may make my favorite TV show of all time shortlistA.o.D. posted:You know that Frank deliberately sank his own defense case, right? Not only that, but it was a deliberate, calculated action on his part, and not a tantrum. Did you miss the line that the Blacksmith's corrupt cop told Frank as he took the stand? nice reading comprehension and story comprehension fail
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SiKboy posted:Did they technically lose? I got to that episode at stupid o'clock in the morning, so I'm not 100% sure, but was Frank ever actually found guilty, or did he escape before he was convicted? The point stands either way. I don't think they technically lost since it didn't appear to go to a jury decision. What he did was waiving your 5th and copping a guilty plea on the stand in TV drama land, pretty sure it was straight to sentencing from there.
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A.o.D. posted:You know that Frank deliberately sank his own defense case, right? Not only that, but it was a deliberate, calculated action on his part, and not a tantrum. Did you miss the line that the Blacksmith's corrupt cop told Frank as he took the stand? Yes, I know it was deliberate, but the general legal fraternity doesnt. What I'm saying is, from their point of view Foggy had a great defense sunk by a psychotic client. SiKboy fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Mar 26, 2016 |
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As far as TV lawyering goes, Foggy did a fantastic TV lawyer job this season and Matt did a mediocre TV lawyer job. I mean, if we're using real lawyering standards the Judge is super hosed because, no, I'm tired of Jury Selection is not a valid reason to end it. Not even if you have a headache. Hell, the Prosecution wouldn't even have gone along with that and any motions or appeals afterwards probably would have been fast track granted. Not a single change of venue request, really Nelson & Murdock? TV lawyer standards though? Nelson did a Matlock case by way of A Time To Kill and was winning until his client went apeshit in court(if Matt had just been on his game he could have Matthew McConaugheyd their way out of it). He got the prosecution to sleepwalk into making his lone character witness look great. Seriously, how do you not guess that the one armed Colonel sitting in front of you talking about how awesome Frank Castle is just might be the one armed CO from the story he's telling?
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Matt is actually the far superior lawyer, because he somehow got the judge to declare his own client a hostile witness then somehow parlayed that into delivering a closing argument mid-trial
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But to everyone else, it looks like that amazing legal judo is what set the Punisher off. So by TV lawyer standards he hosed up. He needed a chance to turn it all around by asking the jury to imagine the death of the Castle family, how horrible it was, and then to imagine they were white.
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Soothing Vapors posted:Matt is actually the far superior lawyer, because he somehow got the judge to declare his own client a hostile witness then somehow parlayed that into delivering a closing argument mid-trial Yeah I'm surprised they didn't frame that as a closing argument and then have Frank go off.
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grobbo posted:*slowly raises hand* This is an excellent summary of Karen. She just didn't work for me this season. Bordered on unbearable.
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