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Jeb Bush 2012
Apr 4, 2007

A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

Tekopo posted:

I think the sweet spot for rolling to see if there is a bias or not is around 400 tries or so



There's no "sweet spot", how many rolls you need is a direct function of a) how big a bias you want to detect and b) what error chance you're willing to tolerate. If you fix b), the number of rolls you need is directly proportional* to one over the square root of the first. 400 rolls will let you find biases half the size of what 100 will.

* Almost directly proportional - when we're talking about hundreds of rolls, the results are close enough to a normal distribution so as to make no difference.

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Brunas
Nov 5, 2012

zVxTeflon posted:

lol wtf was probateable about this

It was something like posting bullshit in the xwing thread.

You're all guilty, Otisburg and I died for your sins and have been reborn. You're welcome.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Brunas posted:

It was something like posting bullshit in the xwing thread.

You're all guilty, Otisburg and I died for your sins and have been reborn. You're welcome.

*shrug* seemed relavant to me.

guts and bolts
May 16, 2015

Have you heard the Good News?

Brunas posted:

It was something like posting bullshit in the xwing thread.

You're all guilty, Otisburg and I died for your sins and have been reborn. You're welcome.

My conscience is clear, as someone who has literally never posted anything in the X-Wing thread except for insightful, on-topic analysis and extremely hilarious jokes, and who is also very, very handsome.

Wave 9 announcement(s) at Adepticon?

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

guts and bolts posted:

Wave 9 announcement(s) at Adepticon?

How likely is that? Wave 8 is the first wave I've been through. Does FFG normally announce new waves on the tail end of a wave release?

Brunas
Nov 5, 2012

Finster Dexter posted:

How likely is that? Wave 8 is the first wave I've been through. Does FFG normally announce new waves on the tail end of a wave release?

All the announce/release dates are at http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/X-Wing_Miniatures_Wiki

So to answer your question, sometimes.

Ojetor
Aug 4, 2010

Return of the Sensei

Waves are usually announced 6ish months in advance of release. W8 was extremely late, so a quick announcement of W9 wouldn't be unusual at all. The designers stated on an interview that W9 is pretty much completely finished design-wise, anyway.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Kai Tave posted:

General Battuta has been experimenting with XXY lists that actually use the Y-Wing as a torpedo platform and I'm curious how that's been panning out for him. I think torps plus a turret is a bit much to be packing onto a Y-Wing but I mean, I'm the guy who brings Seismic Charges so who am I to judge?

So far so good but I've only played against Ghost + escorts lists so far, where the protons are gold for landing crits. I suspect you'll end up being right about flying dorsal turret AND torps.

Tonight I'm going to try a Gold Squadron in place of Dutch. My motive for running torps on a Y-wing is the synergy between guidance chips and Extra Munitions, since I don't think chips are worth losing astromech on X-Wings.

E: gold shoots after a u-boat, that is not good

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



I'm thirsty as poo poo for some TIE/sfs and Kylo's shuttle. If Wave 9 doesn't Awaken some Forces I'm gonna be mad at the world.

If anyone wants to help a goon out and got more than one Ghost, I seem to have lost my Attack Shuttle Ezra card. I could hook you up with some sort of trade.

Brunas
Nov 5, 2012

Otisburg posted:

I'm thirsty as poo poo for some TIE/sfs and Kylo's shuttle. If Wave 9 doesn't Awaken some Forces I'm gonna be mad at the world.

If anyone wants to help a goon out and got more than one Ghost, I seem to have lost my Attack Shuttle Ezra card. I could hook you up with some sort of trade.

I believe I have an extra I don't mind mailing up. Let me double check when I get home.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
wth are you people doing with more than one ghost?? Trying to run broghosts lists or something?

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

General Battuta posted:

So far so good but I've only played against Ghost + escorts lists so far, where the protons are gold for landing crits. I suspect you'll end up being right about flying dorsal turret AND torps.

Tonight I'm going to try a Gold Squadron in place of Dutch. My motive for running torps on a Y-wing is the synergy between guidance chips and Extra Munitions, since I don't think chips are worth losing astromech on X-Wings.

E: gold shoots after a u-boat, that is not good
Gray.

guts and bolts
May 16, 2015

Have you heard the Good News?

Finster Dexter posted:

wth are you people doing with more than one ghost?? Trying to run broghosts lists or something?

Two Accuracy Corrector/Autoblaster Ghosts with a missile Z, get ready to get wrecked*

*unless you can stay out of range 1 of some large ships in which case ggwp

Brunas
Nov 5, 2012

Finster Dexter posted:

wth are you people doing with more than one ghost?? Trying to run broghosts lists or something?

A guy I work with loves watching rebels with his kids, so I picked up one and gave him the model, so I have an extra set of cards without matching ships.

Really oddly fortunate for this situation, haha.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Brunas posted:

A guy I work with loves watching rebels with his kids, so I picked up one and gave him the model, so I have an extra set of cards without matching ships.

Really oddly fortunate for this situation, haha.

Honestly, if the Star Trek AW stuff wasn't such poor quality, I'd probably buy a bunch of those just to have the models.

Devlan Mud
Apr 10, 2006




I'll hear your stories when we come back, alright?

Finster Dexter posted:

wth are you people doing with more than one ghost?? Trying to run broghosts lists or something?

You can fit two Lothal Rebels + a lot of different cheap escorts in a list, and it at least looks scary on paper. Friend of mine is trying to get four attack shuttles as a list, but I think he's just ebaying Attack Shuttles to get them and not buying a second Ghost.

I kinda want a 2nd Thermal Detonator but the Ghost and Phantom appeal to me in exactly zero ways, so I don't really think I'll end up getting a second. Hell, I've been trying to get my BFF to take it from me as a loaner so he can run double Ghost lists, but he don't wanna. Pity, cuz it's never gonna come out of my curio cabinet ever.

Poopy Palpy
Jun 10, 2000

Im da fwiggin Poopy Palpy XD

Finster Dexter posted:

wth are you people doing with more than one ghost?? Trying to run broghosts lists or something?

Gotta be able to field 4 attack shuttles.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

General Battuta posted:

So far so good but I've only played against Ghost + escorts lists so far, where the protons are gold for landing crits. I suspect you'll end up being right about flying dorsal turret AND torps.

Tonight I'm going to try a Gold Squadron in place of Dutch. My motive for running torps on a Y-wing is the synergy between guidance chips and Extra Munitions, since I don't think chips are worth losing astromech on X-Wings.

E: gold shoots after a u-boat, that is not good

Yeah, with Scouts being the new hotness having PS4 or better seems almost mandatory if you want to try and rush one down before it can launch its torpedoes.

Thinking about it I'd still probably want a turret on a torpedo-boat Y-Wing simply because wishbones aren't the most maneuverable ships around for constantly having to try and nail in-arc shots, the advantage of the Scout in that regard is it has a bigger primary firing arc along with a pretty decent dial + inherent access to Deadeye. The TLT is admittedly a strong inclusion, and with a Grey Squadron pilot with Protorps + TLT then Wedge and Wes how you have them kitted out, that actually puts you at 98 points.

If you give up BB-8 for an R2 or R5 Astromech you can push the Grey Squad pilot to Dutch Vander at 100 points on the nose. Dutch is a good pilot, but no initiative bid makes me leery. Against something like triple Scouts it doesn't really matter either way but if you run into Imp aces lists you could find yourself in trouble. I guess you can always go with the Dorsal Turret, though admittedly it's kind of eh, I mean it's there and it's not terrible but it's not super exciting either. If I were shaving points I'd probably go with an Ion Turret instead for additional control...it even synergizes well against those Scouts that like to pack Feedback Arrays since it means they actually go drifting the first time they try to use them instead of having a freebie.

Also you asked me earlier if I felt that the 2-point initiative bid was worth it with Wes at PS10 and I was so tired I kind of overlooked one of the crucial reasons why I think having both things is important. The second game I played against my friend Josh's SVP list handily highlighted it, in fact. I said I like being able to give PS9 arc-dodgers initiative to make them lock their movement in ahead of time, otherwise if they can barrel roll/boost after the X-Wings move then chances are they're going to be able to dodge unless you've lined them up perfectly between some rocks...but if you give Wes something like Adaptability and make him PS9 instead of PS10 then all the enemy aces get to shoot first before he does as well, whereas at PS10 he's almost guaranteed to go first (unless you're up against PS10 Corrans or Poes, or the rare PS11 Vader) and knock critical tokens off the enemy aces before they fire. I did this to Josh several times over the course of both games where Wes was able to break Vader's target lock, stopping him from using his ATC and probably saving myself a point of damage or three in the process.

tl;dr, I might be willing to go up to 99 points, but I probably wouldn't switch VI for Adaptability on Wes.

guts and bolts
May 16, 2015

Have you heard the Good News?
Bringing Crazy Eights post-Vets to GA tonight, probably going to go lose me some friends. I'm not sure it's better than DVD, but it seems obscene, considering that the TAP beats Autothrusters now and everyone can just park at maximum range. Chewing up 6EHP with 4 green dice, 4EHP with 4 green dice and disallowing dice mods, and 4EHP with Autothrusters and 3 green dice feels like a goddamn chore. Whee ha.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Star city posted their regionals door prizes and it's extremely lame. B, bomber, lambda, and star viper. Nothing wave 8, nothing to really get excited about. It's actually pretty insulting considering how obvious it is that these are extras they need to get rid of. They're asking $20 entry and expecting 100 people. I recall from last year that the kit costs $50.

With regionals kits being so cheap compared to the prices being asked for entry, you'd think either FFG or someone would at least have guidelines for this. I'm looking forward to the your hobby place and games and stuff events since they at least give out tons of stuff and will provide food. I shouldn't really be surprised since SCG is a cheap rear end when it comes to all their premier magic events too, but it's disappointing. It's the closest to me but I'm going to see if I can back out of my preregistration.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




Yeah a lot of places are really night and day in terms of prizes. Wisconsins regional charged $20 and the only non kit prize was 1 or 2 bags of third party shield tokens compared to Chicagos that gave away alt art cards, a painting, store credit and a custom map for each of the top 25

Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012

The place I play doesn't have any prizes other than what's in the kit, but then again the entry is only $10.

I'm fine with no non-kit prize support as long as the entry fee isn't too harsh.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Oh, I didn't even realize that they were generous enough to give away "Door prizes & FREE StarCityGames.com Premium!" as part of the deal. :lol:

They give away that poo poo for almost every magic event. And I don't even know what x-wing players will even do with it. Amazing. :allears:

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



zVxTeflon posted:

Yeah a lot of places are really night and day in terms of prizes. Wisconsins regional charged $20 and the only non kit prize was 1 or 2 bags of third party shield tokens compared to Chicagos that gave away alt art cards, a painting, store credit and a custom map for each of the top 25

Was this Boardgame Barrister? Are they hosting again this year?

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
Guardian Games down in Portland is hosting this area's regionals this year, I haven't actually been down to the new location but I've heard it's pretty nice. Anyone else been there for X-Wing? How are they as a venue host?

Brunas
Nov 5, 2012

Chill la Chill posted:

Oh, I didn't even realize that they were generous enough to give away "Door prizes & FREE StarCityGames.com Premium!" as part of the deal. :lol:

They give away that poo poo for almost every magic event. And I don't even know what x-wing players will even do with it. Amazing. :allears:

Is this the VA regionals? Was pretty disappointing, but it should be a good time. I'm sure they'll sell out anyways so what do they care.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


If I can get my money refunded, I'll drive back home and attend the campaign against cancer event instead. At least there the money is going towards a better cause and I can see my friends back home.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Is that the one with the sweet Jaaku mats?

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Correct. SCG has replied saying I can contact someone so maybe I can just do that instead. gently caress SCG. It's been years since I did one of their big magic events so I forgot how much they screw players over.

Chill la Chill fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Mar 28, 2016

Devlan Mud
Apr 10, 2006




I'll hear your stories when we come back, alright?

Chill la Chill posted:

Correct. SCG has replied saying I can contact someone so maybe I can just do that instead. gently caress SCG. It's been years since I did one of their big magic events so I forgot how much they screw players over.

Send FFG/Asmodee/Organized Play whomever an email and complain about their pricing structure. Won't change things this year, but might make them less likely to be given it next year.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Finster Dexter posted:

wth are you people doing with more than one ghost?? Trying to run broghosts lists or something?

Being able to build a ship with brobot levels of firepower for 9-11 points less is a thing. It means you can stick a B-wing in there and still have autoblaster turrets to dissuade aces from arc dodging you.

I can tell you from experience that it's actually really hard to arc dodge a ship AND get a shot in while staying outside R1.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Devlan Mud posted:

Send FFG/Asmodee/Organized Play whomever an email and complain about their pricing structure. Won't change things this year, but might make them less likely to be given it next year.

Sure thing. Do you happen to have any specifics? I hate trying to navigate the mess of a site that FFG has. Seriously, I don't even know how anyone finds out about the regionals locations aside from a lucky google search or following the OP account on facebook. The FAQ is buried under a specific main link too.

Devlan Mud
Apr 10, 2006




I'll hear your stories when we come back, alright?

Chill la Chill posted:

Sure thing. Do you happen to have any specifics? I hate trying to navigate the mess of a site that FFG has. Seriously, I don't even know how anyone finds out about the regionals locations aside from a lucky google search or following the OP account on facebook. The FAQ is buried under a specific main link too.

I know some people last year complained and kept a venue from repeating, but I think that was a much messier situation. Can't really hurt anyways, I really wish FFG had a much stricter organized play guidelines including things like prices and whatnot, especially since Regionals you're basically at the mercy of the 18 or whatever venues nationwide. Some faffing about in the contact us section found me OrganizedPlay@fantasyflightgames.com, I'd try them.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Otisburg posted:

Is that the one with the sweet Jaaku mats?

Correction: it is not. That is for the Stele Open at the end of April. If this is the thing you mean: http://stelestore.storenvy.com/products/16068369-stele-open-2016-3x3-neoprene-game-mat

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




Otisburg posted:

Was this Boardgame Barrister? Are they hosting again this year?

Yup that was the place. The store itself was really nice and clean and everything ran smoothly but they just had poo poo for prizes, and yeah they got it again this year.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





I've really fallen in love with the base YV-666 with Gunner, Bossk, and Zuckuss. It hits like a truck and threatens a gigantic area.

I'm not sure what I want to pair with it. I've had decent luck so far with a Contracted Scout (usual torpedo setup) plus either Torkil Mux or 2 Feedback Zs.

Here's an example:

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f...n=BountyHunters

What do you think?

alg
Mar 14, 2007

A wolf was no less a wolf because a whim of chance caused him to run with the watch-dogs.

I like TLT y-wing with that setup a lot. :shobon:

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





alg posted:

I like TLT y-wing with that setup a lot. :shobon:

In place of Torkil with TLT?

Is the extra health worth it over a round or two of reducing aces to 0 pilot skill?

alg
Mar 14, 2007

A wolf was no less a wolf because a whim of chance caused him to run with the watch-dogs.

ConfusedUs posted:

In place of Torkil with TLT?

Is the extra health worth it over a round or two of reducing aces to 0 pilot skill?

Haven't flown it. If I were going to fly a HWK it would be Palob in the current meta.

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Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


I'm not sure I get using Boba with Plasma Torps over Protons. You're less likely to get that crit when you want it with the Plasmas.

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