Warhammer 40k: It's the end of the game as we know it (and I feel fine)

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PierreTheMime: Dec 9, 2004; Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!; Buglord

TheChirurgeon posted:

Yeah I knew all that, but Krak grenades aren't going to get the job done since you can only toss one per phase per unit. The character sometimes has melta bombs, which can help, but sometimes you run into situations where the dreadnought is also a character, like Murderfang, in which case if the champion doesn't stick his one meltabomb, he gets pulped first and everyone else is hosed.

It's not going to make a huge difference but grenades are only thrown in the Shooting and Assault (Overwatch) phase. Grenades in Close Combat are treated as a melee weapon with a single attack per model.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 13:42

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Technowolf: Nov 4, 2009

Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah, just not sure how good a glued gun would look, and again not confident in my greenstuff skills. I guess I could maybe hack a gun in half and glue it on either side of his fist or something and it'd probably do okay...

I meant replace the ENTIRE arm with a standard CSM one. They're both plastic models so it shouldn't take too much trimming.

Also, when you say 'glue' do you mean superglue or plastic cement, because you should definitely be using the latter. It gives a better seal and makes much less mess.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 14:28

Naramyth: Jan 22, 2009; Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

Played my bees/screemers/knight/fatey demons again last night against Deldar with that 5 talos formation. My knight was stuck in combat with those jerks for 9 rounds of combat before D'ing and stomping out. The rest of his army was broke open from his rides/turboboosted over with fatey and the screemers then charged/charged me for eternal combats while fatey , some heralds and nurglings stood on all the objectives. Two fun moments of the game: I summoned a herald to toss out the portalglyph, threw it on to an objective, scatted 15 inches into a ruin, failed it's immobilize check and 5++ and died. The second was fateweaver shot killed a squad of wracks leaving a homunculus by himself. Fatey cast bolt of change, S10, wounded, and I said "well he's dead" my roommate immediately comes back "nope, I break the doll, he's fine." drat janky deldar relics.

PierreTheMime posted:

I used to think this was an expensive hobby, then my coworkers started talking about their guns they buy for fun and it quickly became a "moderate income" hobby. I think I've probably spent somewhere in the area of $5,000, but over the course of 16 years. ~$315 bucks a year isn't all the bad compared to other things. Hell its cheaper than my old movie habits in my bachelor days.

Yeah I did the gun thing pretty hard before 40k. I still own a few but I really cut my collection down because it was a ton of money tied up in things I never really used (and selling them paid for my LASIK). My gun collection is now just my guns I (used to) compete with, or are heirlooms.

Uroboros posted:

3 hour drive to Adepticon, running on 1 hour sleep and coffee. Tremble mortals.

Go get 'em hambro

# ? Mar 31, 2016 15:01

Zaphod42: Sep 13, 2012; If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

gunchat: I mostly just use range guns if I wanna shoot, but I own a Mosin which was pretty cheap so I didn't break the bank and still get to have a nice looking gun in my closet.

TheChirurgeon posted:

The Dark Vengeance + Expansion group has an overlooked formation that isn't too bad--the Chosen tax sucks, but you can make the Terminators work OK. The formation is called Kranon's Helguard and I've used it before to some effect--its primary function is giving enemy units -1 BS if they are within 12" of 2+ units from the formation, so taking rhinos for your mans and using those + The Raptors to harass enemies and lower BS can be pretty effective.

Most of the stuff I'd tell you about CSMs has already been said, but I'll add a few things:

- Havocs are generally outclassed by Obliterators, but they do have one advantage, which is that the 4-autocannon Havoc group has longer range and is your best source of AA fire outside of a Heldrake, Fire Raptor, or allied Soul Grinder.

- Outside of the Heldrake, the Forgeworld stuff in IA13 is the best group of units (not just vehicles) that Chaos has access to. If you want to use a dreadnought, the IA13 version is the flavor to use.

- Thousand Sons are expensive, but strong against marines, where having AP3 bolters is a massive advantage. They're OK against Necrons, Eldar, AdMech, and Tau and the bolters are meaningless against Guard/Orks/Tyranids. Your biggest challenge will be that you have no heavy weapons and short (24") range with your fire, so you won't be able to deal with vehicles and shooty armies will outclass the gently caress out of you. Also, bcause 1k sons can't charge, Relentless is mostly wasted on them. Also, the Tzeentch powers mostly suck. What I'd recommend/plan to do with my Thousand Sons is ally them with daemons, so you can use them as mid-range fire support and additional warp charge generators for a heavy-Tzeentch daemon army that has the ability to summon fairly easily.

- Most of the close combat units you've mentioned are really bad. It's 75% because close combat is bad in this edition compared to shooting, and 25% because those units haven't caught up to other good assault units in 7th (or even 6th) edition. Warp Talons don't have assault grenades, and so will typically go last when assaulting a unit (since most units will stay behind cover). Blind is worthless against most armies, and their ability to deep strike is both risky and nearly impossible to use well because they can't assault afterward and don't have any guns, so they will have to sit around for at least a turn after entering. Berserkers have a lot of S5 attacks on the charge but no access to AP3 weapons or anything that can let them take on heavy targets. My nightmare is having my Daemonkin berserkers get assaulted by a Dreadnought. They can't really hurt it because it's AV12 and they can't run because they're fearless, so they just sit there getting pulped by powerfist attacks until they die. Possessed are just overpriced and Mutilators are garbage. Berserkers are *slightly* better in Daemonkin (and probably decent if you want to put them in that Kharybdis formation), but not by much.

The reason Raptors are good is because they're fairly cheap and you can outfit them with a pair of meltaguns or plasmaguns, making them top-knotch tank hunters in a pinch.

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Cheers, I really appreciate all the tips to help me catch up with the state of things.

I love Raptors and was already thinking about giving them meltas for tank-hunting so that sounds good. Yeah, I like the sons AP3 for murdering MEQs, and from the look of things a good majority of the people at my FLGS are fielding marines right now. That's exactly what I'd use them for, mid range plunking with some termies, raptors and daemons to charge the enemy and take out high-priority targets and keep them away from the sons.

Sad to hear that glorious hand to hand combat is kinda unfavored compared to ranged, although I'm sure its still very useful.

I didn't like the look of possessed at first but they're growing on me and seem kinda strong, but yeah expensive. Termies in a Rhino sounds pretty cool, I haven't had the best luck with deep striking them anyways.

Technowolf posted:

I meant replace the ENTIRE arm with a standard CSM one. They're both plastic models so it shouldn't take too much trimming.

Also, when you say 'glue' do you mean superglue or plastic cement, because you should definitely be using the latter. It gives a better seal and makes much less mess.

Ah okay. The pictures all had the dude with CSM chest and backpack but still had melee weapons so I wasn't sure how much I could mix and match, but if I can use CSM arms should be great.

Yeah I meant plastic cement, I have both that and superglue for metal figures. I'm out of date but I know the basics at least

Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Mar 31, 2016

# ? Mar 31, 2016 15:05

bij: Feb 24, 2007

30th Anniversary Beakie's got a hell of a bolter.

BirdieBedtime posted:

Could look better, could look worse. There really isn't much space on the models for a backpack with their big ol' shoulders.

Not bad, I've always liked those FW heads.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 15:20

Zark the Damned: Mar 9, 2013

Oh my that marine is hella oldskool, shame he doesn't have the giant Axe bayonet from the originals

# ? Mar 31, 2016 15:29

jadebullet: Mar 25, 2011; MY LIFE FOR YOU!

I'm just hoping that the Philly GW store will have enough of those in Stock since I am definitely going and definitely want one to paint up into Rainbow Warriors. I have always liked the full visor beakeys.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 15:39

SRM: Jul 10, 2009; ~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~

It's awesome that they basically resculpted the first Marine ever (left and right, can't find a better picture right now)

I'll hopefully be able to pick up at least one.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 16:12

Naramyth: Jan 22, 2009; Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

SRM posted:

It's awesome that they basically resculpted the first Marine ever (left and right, can't find a better picture right now)

I'll hopefully be able to pick up at least one.

That's pretty rad. I'm going to make my shop order me one.

I should also paint up the 25th anniversary guy too someday. :v:

# ? Mar 31, 2016 16:43

Saalkin: Jun 29, 2008

Hey warhammer nerds. anyone know if any of this poo poo is worth anything? Its a lot from a local kijiji ad so thats the best picture i can get.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 17:21

SRM: Jul 10, 2009; ~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~

Epic metal Eldar poo poo? You bet. Go over to the Specialist Games thread, you can probably get a better answer:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3487752

# ? Mar 31, 2016 17:37

TheArmorOfContempt: Nov 29, 2012; Did I ever tell you my favorite color was blue?

Game 1: Baneblade with ignore cover gun, totally butt hosed me.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 17:44

Safety Factor: Oct 31, 2009; Grimey Drawer

That 30th anniversary model looks pretty cool. I'll probably pick it up and find a use for it in my 30k army. I still have the 25th anniversary model somewhere and even though it was finecast, it is just about perfect. I probably just got lucky.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 17:54

SRM: Jul 10, 2009; ~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~

Safety Factor posted:

That 30th anniversary model looks pretty cool. I'll probably pick it up and find a use for it in my 30k army. I still have the 25th anniversary model somewhere and even though it was finecast, it is just about perfect. I probably just got lucky.

Nah, mine's got a bubble under his boot but is pretty much pristine otherwise. Word on the street is the new dude's plastic.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 17:59

Naramyth: Jan 22, 2009; Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

Uroboros posted:

Game 1: Baneblade with ignore cover gun, totally butt hosed me.

How was the baneblade getting ignore cover?

But yeah that would own a battle company. 7" S9Ap2 is no joke.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 18:17

jadebullet: Mar 25, 2011; MY LIFE FOR YOU!

Naramyth posted:

How was the baneblade getting ignore cover?

But yeah that would own a battle company. 7" S9Ap2 is no joke.

It is the variant with the Nova cannon, like the ignores cover Russ, only bigger.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 18:43

Safety Factor: Oct 31, 2009; Grimey Drawer

SRM posted:

Nah, mine's got a bubble under his boot but is pretty much pristine otherwise. Word on the street is the new dude's plastic.

Yeah, I assumed the new model is plastic. GW has (thankfully) moved away from Finecast entirely. Well, except for old metal models that they are slowly retiring.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 18:45

Zaphod42: Sep 13, 2012; If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Safety Factor posted:

Yeah, I assumed the new model is plastic. GW has (thankfully) moved away from Finecast entirely. Well, except for old metal models that they are slowly retiring.

I'm very thankful I seem to have completely skipped out on the finecast era.

Metal figures are cool and plastic figures are cool.

Even when they're pro painted I feel like I can tell which are resin just looking at them, although not always true.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 18:47

PierreTheMime: Dec 9, 2004; Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!; Buglord

The only credit I can really give to Finecast is it made modelling modifications much, much easier. Resin is far easier to cut than plastic and obviously metal. I made a bitchin' Swarmlord conversion before the "official" model was released based on the artwork from a Finecast Hive Tyrant kit which they sold for like six months before replacing it.

Pity Swarmmie kinda sucks now. :smith:

# ? Mar 31, 2016 18:51

MrSlam: Apr 25, 2014; And there you sat, eating hamburgers while the world cried.

SRM posted:

It's awesome that they basically resculpted the first Marine ever (left and right, can't find a better picture right now)

So this is a Techno-Barbarian?

# ? Mar 31, 2016 18:54

Zaphod42: Sep 13, 2012; If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

MrSlam posted:

So this is a Techno-Barbarian?

I think the techno-barbarians were more like cultists and those would be more like the thunder warriors who conquered them, but I'm not an expert on early ~~40k~~ ~~30k~~ pre-30k.

Heck maybe even the generation after the thunder warriors, the beak nose was later on like close to Heresy times I wanna say.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 19:00

Safety Factor: Oct 31, 2009; Grimey Drawer

PierreTheMime posted:

The only credit I can really give to Finecast is it made modelling modifications much, much easier. Resin is far easier to cut than plastic and obviously metal. I made a bitchin' Swarmlord conversion before the "official" model was released based on the artwork from a Finecast Hive Tyrant kit which they sold for like six months before replacing it.

Pity Swarmmie kinda sucks now.

I'll agree on that one point. I have a metal terminator chaplain and a finecast one. The metal one is completely pristine and unconverted. The resin one was missing rivets and had bubbles, the usual finecast garbage. I bought it planning to convert the gently caress out of it which I did. I should really, really paint that guy up. He's built to represent an interrogator-chaplain with the mace of redemption relic and a crozius and is super fancy.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 19:07

jadebullet: Mar 25, 2011; MY LIFE FOR YOU!

Metal is a pain in the rear end to modify unless you have a Dremel. Of course, I hosed up right off the bat by using a grinding drum on pewter so now I have a useless metal coated grinding wheel.

Cutting bits, on the other hand, are amazing. I've basically gone from "what was I thinking? There is no way I can remove 85% of this model." To being almost done after several days of sporatically removing poo poo.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 19:24

PantsOptional: Dec 27, 2012; All I wanna do is make you bounce

MrSlam posted:

You know, during the zenith of Zombie hype (2008?-2014?) I'm surprised there was never a full-blown Zombie Plague army. Like, more than just a Typhus troop choice.

edit: If I'm wrong, please be gentle

Ah, I found it, it's in the 2015 revamp of the Siege of Vraks book. You take an Arch-Demagogue with the Mark of Nurgle and get access to Plague Zombies. It looks like they took out the restriction where you could have only 1 unit from previous versions.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 19:25

bij: Feb 24, 2007

MrSlam posted:

So this is a Techno-Barbarian?

Those marines are the first marine miniatures produced during (maybe before?) the Rogue Trader days way back before a significant portion of the 40k fluff existed. The beakie armor has been retconned / fluffed into Mk. VI Corvus.

Techno-Barbarians developed and wore Mk. I Thunder which looks like this:

The Emperor's Thunder Warriors wore it as well.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 19:26

Star Man: Jun 1, 2008; There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

I would kill for some MkI resin models on Forge World.

But I bet I need to get in line first.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 19:52

PierreTheMime: Dec 9, 2004; Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!; Buglord

Slowly grinding through my first set of Overkill Genestealer Cult models. The Genestealers included are kind of neat because they're a hybrid of the old 3rd Ed. Space Hulk models with the back ridges and the "newer" more streamlined 4th Ed. versions.

Only 30 models to go for the first set down!

...and then another 68 from the other two sets. :negative:

# ? Mar 31, 2016 19:54

Kilo147: Apr 14, 2007; You remind me of the boss
What boss?
The boss with the power
What power?
The power of voodoo
Who-doo?
You do.
Do what?
Remind me of the Boss.

Potential BFF posted:

Those marines are the first marine miniatures produced during (maybe before?) the Rogue Trader days way back before a significant portion of the 40k fluff existed. The beakie armor has been retconned / fluffed into Mk. VI Corvus.

Techno-Barbarians developed and wore Mk. I Thunder which looks like this:

The Emperor's Thunder Warriors wore it as well.

Huh, that lightning bolt pattern seems familiar somehow...

# ? Mar 31, 2016 19:59

Renfield: Feb 29, 2008

MrSlam posted:

So this is a Techno-Barbarian?

It's a pre-40k model for the Traveller RPG - Imperial Marine with Laser Rifle, I think (Might be a FGMP-14).

All the early models without flaired-trouser armour are pre-40k

# ? Mar 31, 2016 20:42

Zaphod42: Sep 13, 2012; If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

PierreTheMime posted:

Slowly grinding through my first set of Overkill Genestealer Cult models. The Genestealers included are kind of neat because they're a hybrid of the old 3rd Ed. Space Hulk models with the back ridges and the "newer" more streamlined 4th Ed. versions.

Only 30 models to go for the first set down!

...and then another 68 from the other two sets.

Loooove these. You did a really great job catching the details. The jacket on the.... dominus is it? looks a little flat, but the jacket on the ... magus I wanna say, looks really slick, and his accouterments look good, and then that bone-white genestealer is like literally perfect.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 21:04

Boon: Jun 21, 2005; by R. Guyovich

I got one more model to go and then I need to edge-dress the Warp Spiders, but I figured I'd post the army shot (at least my piece) for Adepticon before I leave tomorrow to meet the rest of the team.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 21:45

Zaphod42: Sep 13, 2012; If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Did you freehand those roses? drat dude talk about fancy.

Really love the gradient on the ... tank things. (I forget Eldar units! Those aren't prisms are they?) I think the warp spider color scheme is kinda funky but its a strong contrast to your other eldar.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 21:48

Boon: Jun 21, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Thanks (they're Forge World Hornets)!

Yeah, I've posted the rehashed WS test colors a few weeks back and it was pretty roundly rejected (and I agree - though I do think they look alright in the army as a whole). Didn't have the time/ambition to strip them and redo them though, especially since this will probably be the last hams I slam for a couple years.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 22:00

Ghost Hand: Aug 10, 2004; Rampant 40k Fanboy

TKIY posted:

I played Apocalypse once (8 players, 2kpts each) and all my TMCs moved maybe three times in eight hours. Then there was sandwiches.

The sandwiches were the best part.

I've played in some horrible Apocalypse games that don't get beyond Turn 2, and some really well run Apocalypse games that go 8 hours and a full 6 turns. Preparation for an Apocalypse game and clear communication are the keys to making it successful. People who really know how to orchestrate these events can make them incredible enjoyable.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 22:48

DJ Dizzy: Feb 11, 2009; Real men don't use bolters.

Apocalypse is the poo poo.

# ? Mar 31, 2016 23:55

Cooked Auto: Aug 4, 2007

So I hear GW has released a new kind of special brush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hx9TO4Tao8

Also, GW doing an April Fools video? What is going on here?

# ? Mar 31, 2016 23:55