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LeftistMuslimObama posted:i type the code and then the thing happen and then i am given money. its a very nice pattern. it's ok but the better pattern is the one where the thing doesn't even need to happen this is why functional programming jobs are the best
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if you think about the builder pattern being a comonad you feel a lot smarter for using it
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:this is why functional programming jobs are the best it compiles, what more do you need it to do
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Flat Daddy posted:javascript is fine now w/ es6 react and redux. if you've gone this far you may as well use elm and get a good compiler too
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Plorkyeran posted:objc has meaningfully different oop from Java and there's a million ios jobs delegation that doesn't suck is cool and good and all that, but your program is still filled with filthy state
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fleshweasel posted:don't use asp.net core yet. it's really really not ready yet its real good
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hey speaking of terrible uis, can you recommend any mockup/wireframe tool? i looked at moqups, since it was the first hit on google, and it seems pretty good. well, better than our current process of "draw colored rectangles on a powerpoint slide" at least.
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moqups ain't so bad, it's good because it forces low fidelity, so you can focus on the ideas rather than the exact execution (which you'd do in sketch or something)
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Brain Candy posted:where is this oop that i can be employeed to use that's not comparible with java 8? c#
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Apr 2, 2016 13:39
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i haven't used it in a while but balsamiq was pretty good when i used it last time
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I use balsamiq for wireframes
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HoboMan posted:pretend i have design skills and was making a webpage, "what program do i loving boot up to start crafting some html/css?" is essentially my question. all you've said in response is "be a designer". this is not helpful you don't boot up a program to start crafting some css, that's the point. you're putting the cart before the horse. the correct process is to come up with a design, and then only once you know exactly how you want it to look (right down to the fuckin' redlines) do you start messing about with css to actually implement it. and at that point your text editor of choice + the devtools in your browser of choice is basically exactly what you want.
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Apr 2, 2016 15:08
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Maluco Marinero posted:moqups ain't so bad, it's good because it forces low fidelity, so you can focus on the ideas rather than the exact execution (which you'd do in sketch or something) yes, that's one reason why i like it. like you can see that the element is a date field, but people don't think that it's basically done.
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uncurable mlady posted:I use balsamiq for wireframes off to a great start 
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Jabor posted:you don't boot up a program to start crafting some css, that's the point. you're putting the cart before the horse. css/html is garbage hth
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Shaggar posted:its real good its got a bunch of weird javascript poo poo baked in? for some reason? i dont really get it.
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Jabor posted:and at that point your text editor of choice + the devtools in your browser of choice is basically exactly what you want. no because this sucks and is what i was already doing before i posted i guess i just hate html/css, good thing i'm not a designer  e: i really don't get everyone being on my case about this, i thought this was the terrible programmer's thread? just let me dig my own grave, i only asked if there was a better kind of shovel to use than this large wooden spoon i'm currently using. HoboMan fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Apr 2, 2016 |
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Awia posted:it adds styles onto a list and then returns it
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Apr 2, 2016 17:14
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HoboMan posted:no because this sucks and is what i was already doing before i posted "the programs I write are terrible, what text editor can i use to make them better? like what do professional programmers do? no stop trying to tell me how to program, pretend I know how to program. what software do I use to do it?"
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Apr 2, 2016 17:31
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HoboMan posted:no because this sucks and is what i was already doing before i posted this is the correct thing to feel. html and css are both awful (for purposes such as pixel-perfect layout of fancy designs) and if you ever find yourself not hating them you should probably seek professional help
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Lone_Strider posted:I keep seeing this, but what makes it not ready? esp when scott hanselman says "you can go into production with ASP.NET 5 on Windows or Linux and Microsoft will support you.", it seems like it should be in a pretty good state http://weblog.west-wind.com/posts/2016/Jan/21/Microsoft-renames-ASPNET-5-to-ASPNET-Core-10 quote:When the Release Candidate rolled around you would expect some stability, but as soon as RC1 was released Microsoft announced that RC2 would break all the tooling and there would be some grand renaming that we are seeing now. This sort of thing does not go with an RC moniker – it's an alpha when you make that level of breaking changes. .net core is confused on lots of basic poo poo and I would definitely not start a new project with it. Moq and things like that are not available due to some dependency that's missing in core and xunit has taken the position of "gently caress it, let's stop trying to fix compatibility with core and wait for it to stabilize." that's also the position you should take.
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GrumpyDoctor posted:"the programs I write are terrible, what text editor can i use to make them better? like what do professional programmers do? no stop trying to tell me how to program, pretend I know how to program. what software do I use to do it?" the answer is visual studio
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Awia posted:the answer is visual studio same except vim and make
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Wheany posted:hey speaking of terrible uis, can you recommend any mockup/wireframe tool? i looked at moqups, since it was the first hit on google, and it seems pretty good. i use visio 
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Bloody posted:its got a bunch of weird javascript poo poo baked in? for some reason? i dont really get it. the split the building of the client from the building of the server and it works infinitely better. previously you had the server compiling javascript in weird ways (bundles) and it was a pain to make it work right. Now instead you use gulp or w/e to compile js during the normal VS build process (as in its tied together automatically). Its way more sane. also things like using bower instead of nuget for js packages.
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Shaggar posted:bower bower is garbage. you know this right?
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yeah but its the standard for js.
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i also dont like require js either, its loving bad
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Shaggar posted:yeah but its the standard for js. i'd rather copy dependencies in myself than use bower. most js authors don't register their libs with bower so other people do it. it's nasty.
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Valeyard posted:i also dont like require js either, its loving bad ya, it's another one of those things where u have to transpile the pain away 
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akadajet posted:i'd rather copy dependencies in myself than use bower. most js authors don't register their libs with bower so other people do it. it's nasty. that's how it was for nuget too.
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my projects have zero js but still wind up with some json bullshit and I don't know why or what it's for
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Wheany posted:hey speaking of terrible uis, can you recommend any mockup/wireframe tool? i looked at moqups, since it was the first hit on google, and it seems pretty good. 'dia' is ok for making boxy diagrams for design docs  poo poo rolls downhill.jpg
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Bloody posted:my projects have zero js but still wind up with some json bullshit and I don't know why or what it's for i'm ok with json as a way to store or pass data around, as long as it's for relatively simple stuff that doesn't try to re-implement its own bespoke xml-like format over json or something equally nauseating
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YeOldeButchere posted:i'm ok with json as a way to store or pass data around, as long as it's for relatively simple stuff that doesn't try to re-implement its own bespoke xml-like format over json or something equally nauseating just use xml imo, it's like json but with better libraries and actual semantic structure and standard schemas that aren't poo poo
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Shaggar posted:that's how it was for nuget too. nuget is also pretty garbage. java is the only ecosystem with something resembling a decent package management system but now google and facebook have gone back to vendored dependencies checked into scm in the name of reproducibility and build speed, so who the gently caress knows
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Shaggar posted:yeah but its the standard for js. it's really not. people primarily use npm for package distribution, whether it's client or server js. npm isn't that great but bower is dumpster garbage most people have moved on from.
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HoboMan posted:no because this sucks and is what i was already doing before i posted ultimately css is really really easy if you know exactly what you're trying to do before you start, and really really garbage for any sort of exploratory design or w/e. which is why everyone is telling you to figure out what you want to do before you even think about writing css
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Maluco Marinero posted:it's really not. people primarily use npm for package distribution, whether it's client or server js. npm isn't that great but bower is dumpster garbage most people have moved on from. it does npm too but lol @ the suggestion npm isn't just as much of a garbage fire
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