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PhazonLink posted:A few states already did this. And now they're paying for something that should be free and in a few cases sold off free/easy revenue makers Case in point, Chicago selling their parking meter rights/proceeds to Dubai to make up for a 1 year short fall. For the next 75 years.
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Precambrian posted:Getting reelected in 2010. Can't they just eminent domain that poo poo?
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McCloud posted:Can't they just eminent domain that poo poo? Also, big banks can afford good lawyers. Eminent domain works so much easier when you use it to grab property from people who can't afford to fight back.
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Precambrian posted:Getting reelected in 2010. But I'm sure since then everyone in Arizona has come to their senses and realized this was a terrible approach to government, right? 
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Precambrian posted:Getting reelected in 2010. that's pretty disgusting, and it sucks that it worked and is still working and will probably work for a little while longer
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Thaddius the Large posted:But I'm sure since then everyone in Arizona has come to their senses and realized this was a terrible approach to government, right? You tell me: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/politicalinsider/2016/04/02/legislative-gun-ban-doesnt-apply-to-arizona-lawmakers/82519308/ Going with common sense not being prevalent there yet, no. http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2016/03/31/arizona-gov-doug-ducey-signs-darkmoney-bill/82492558/ RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Trump really really has no idea how a government functions. His plan puts 'normal' calls for austerity to shame. Isn't this exactly what was promised on Mitt Romney's website if he got elected?
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Del Capitan posted:Isn't this exactly what was promised on Mitt Romney's website if he got elected? More battleships too.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Case in point, Chicago selling their parking meter rights/proceeds to Dubai to make up for a 1 year short fall. For this alone ex-Mayor Daley deserves to be summarily executed and have his lifeless carcass dragged through the streets. Not only did the city get utterly screwed on the deal (third-party estimates are that Chicago got less than half of what the deal was actually worth), not only did they trade a long-term cash flow stream for a one-use liability payoff, not only did the management company immediately institute a massive rate hike, there were also plenty of downstream bits of fun. For example: city wards used to have block/street festivals. During this time, the streets were (obviously) blocked off. Now, if you want to do that? The parking management company has to be compensated for lost revenue. Want to put in a bus lane somewhere, that requires removing meters? You have to compensate the parking management company OR install more meters elsewhere!
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NewMars posted:Don't you worry, he'll privatize them too! What do you think the American prison system is for?
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Booourns posted:What do you think the American prison system is for? http://www.ryot.org/california-inmates-fighting-fires/774541 Can confirm, why pay for employees when you can rent prisoners instead?
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Gobbeldygook posted:They continued to meet in the Capitol building. Harper's has a good longread on it and the rest of the fiscal madness of Arizona under Tea Party management. What they did was raise some immediate money by selling the building (and a lot of other government property) to a private real estate company and then started paying them rent on a building they used to own. They eventually realized this was stupid as gently caress and are trying to buy it back.  The whole article would be an uproarious  if it wasn't such a horror for the people there.
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There really should be more protections against idiots selling off public property like that. Seems like it would be pretty easy to gently caress up large swathes of government by getting elected on some kind of idiotic message that appeals to people that don't understand how society works (for example the Tea Party), then selling everything off and then just getting hired by the companies you worked with.
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Radish posted:There really should be more protections against idiots selling off public property like that. Seems like it would be pretty easy to gently caress up large swathes of government by getting elected then selling everything off and then just getting hired by the companies you worked with. That's sort of the idea yeah you got it. Spouses can be involved too.
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CarterUSM posted:For this alone ex-Mayor Daley deserves to be summarily executed and have his lifeless carcass dragged through the streets. Is there no hypothetical way for the city to get out of this situation, or is the only way to really just wait 75 years?
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Party Plane Jones posted:Case in point, Chicago selling their parking meter rights/proceeds to Dubai to make up for a 1 year short fall. Indiana sold the I-80/90 tollway to foreign investors for a lump sum that was spent in 10 years. They get the toll road back in 75 years. The foreign investors already raided the coffers, stopped maintenance, and went bankrupt to sell the road off to another set of totally unrelated investors. That said, 465 around Indianapolis is beautiful. And the detour because I-65 between Indy and Gary fell apart just means drivers can commune with nature. Nature in this case means corn.
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Horking Delight posted:http://www.ryot.org/california-inmates-fighting-fires/774541 I've interacted with some of them clearing brush ahead of a fire before actually and it's not really a bad program. First of all, they're not really fire fighters but brush clearers (clearing brush miles ahead of a fire to assist with fire breaks) and hot spot suppressors (sit on a spot spraying water / dirt on embers in areas that have been partially burned to make sure it does flare up) and are typically not anywhere close to a fire. It's all voluntary and is seriously the most coveted job available to prisoners since they make the most out of any other inmate in addition to getting quite a bit of time off of their sentence. Also, death or serious injury for them is super low (way lower than traditional fire fighter) since they don't actually fight fires, but just help a bit with cleanup and prep work so actual fire fighters can be more effective. I mean that poo poo's way better than the stuff Angola has inmates doing i.e. literally making them pick cotton on plantations. A Winner is Jew fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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Bizarro Watt posted:Is there no hypothetical way for the city to get out of this situation, or is the only way to really just wait 75 years? That presumes that the leadership of Chicago isn't perpetually in bed with those who are cornholing the city
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CannonFodder posted:Indiana sold the I-80/90 tollway to foreign investors for a lump sum that was spent in 10 years. They get the toll road back in 75 years. The foreign investors already raided the coffers, stopped maintenance, and went bankrupt to sell the road off to another set of totally unrelated investors. If I remember right the only thing stopping the Ohio and Pennslyvania Turnpikes from being sold off by their respective states, was that the private companies weren't willing to do anything but a lump sum.
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A Winner is Jew posted:I mean that poo poo's way better than the stuff Angola has inmates doing i.e. literally making them pick cotton on plantations. don't forget the rodeo Convict Poker It's the ultimate poker game, and even winning has a price. Four inmate cowboys sit at a table in the middle of the arena playing a friendly game of poker. Suddenly, a wild bull is released with the sole purpose of unseating the poker players. The last man remaining seated is the winner. Chariot Race A new event that debuted in 2014, Chariot Racing comically employs the principle of centrifugal force that challenges the contestant's sense of balance with a twist. It can be likened to being pulled by a boat while riding a wakeboard. Contestants, holding a pitcher of water, mount a sled that is pulled at top speed the length of the arena by a horse and rider. Gravity takes over in the turn, as the contestant tries to stay on the sling-shotted sled while not spilling the water. The man who holds on and spills the least amount of water is the winner.
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El Scotch posted:
I was curious to see if the political dysfunction described in that article had any demonstrable long term consequences. Quality of life indicators might be more relevant, but the Arizona historical GDP per capita numbers are interesting: http://arizonaindicators.org/content/gross-domestic-product-capita  This chart shows Arizona's economy falling further behind the rest of the US over the period coinciding with the rise of the tea party in the state govt. While part of this may be due to the 2008 housing crash hitting Arizona especially hard, relative productivity also shows a similar (smaller) decline. Maybe gutting education and social services leads to a less productive economy, who new?
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Nocturtle posted:I was curious to see if the political dysfunction described in that article had any demonstrable long term consequences. Quality of life indicators might be more relevant, but the Arizona historical GDP per capita numbers are interesting: This would be a fun econometric analysis to do. What other states have done similar Tea Party gutting besides Arizona and Nebraska?
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Combed Thunderclap posted:This would be a fun econometric analysis to do. What other states have done similar Tea Party gutting besides Arizona and Nebraska? Kansas and Oklahoma are being eaten by the Earth. Wisconsin perhaps?
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:don't forget the rodeo I feel like they are kinda half assing it. make all competitors the worst of the worst(child rapists, murderers, rapists) then put serrated knives all over the bull, and idk maybe put a revolver in the middle of the card table with single bullet in it. joking sorta, but yeah convict rodeo sounds pretty hosed up.
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fishmech posted:If I remember right the only thing stopping the Ohio and Pennslyvania Turnpikes from being sold off by their respective states, was that the private companies weren't willing to do anything but a lump sum. The company that held the Indiana Turnpike hiked up rates and were lax on repairs, then mysteriously went bankrupt. It's vulture capitalism with the states footing the bill when all is said and done.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:don't forget the rodeo Holy poo poo, Deadman Wonderland is real.
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McCloud posted:Can't they just eminent domain that poo poo? If you take something via eminent domain, you have to pay the fair market value of the taken property. Gonna be hard to argue the FMV is less than what you just sold it for.
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Posted this in the right-wing media thread: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/kasich-avoids-saying-whether-he-would-punish-doctors-who-perform-abortions/ Trump's comments about abortion has put Kasich in a very uncomfortable position. Dude says he wants to reverse Roe v. Wade, but straight up refuses to say whether he wants to punish women or doctors even. Just some vague poo poo about "states rights" (because, you know, while murdering a baby is a terrible, vile thing, if it's done on a sub-federal level, well that's totally cool).
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Mr Interweb posted:Posted this in the right-wing media thread: Kasich isn't any worse than the other two. He just hides behind his grandpa white bread veneer really well.
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Mr Interweb posted:Posted this in the right-wing media thread: I am absolutely in love with how Trump is not only destroying himself but doing it in such a way as to take down the entire GOP with him. It's beautiful.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Kasich isn't any worse than the other two. He just hides behind his grandpa white bread veneer really well.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Trump's rise is annoying in one aspect: it allows the media to act like Cruz and Kasich are 'reasonable', when they are just as bad if not worse They'd act that way anyway, or did you forget Mitt in 2012?
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FlamingLiberal posted:Trump's rise is annoying in one aspect: it allows the media to act like Cruz and Kasich are 'reasonable', when they are just as bad if not worse Thankfully each candidate left has a track record with woman's rights that puts binders full o women to shame. it's OK to make fun of the GOP candidates here, still, right?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I am absolutely in love with how Trump is not only destroying himself but doing it in such a way as to take down the entire GOP with him. It's beautiful. This was bound to happen. Ted Cruz would probably have the loony vote if it wasn't Trump. The 2016 GOP primary was pretty much already in huge danger of swinging way too far right. Looking back at the 2012 election cycle, Romney never really got decisive totals over his 'Not-Romney's', and guess what? A lot of those people (the voices of reason in the GOP) skewed super old, and quite frankly a lot of them are dead. The Republicans were worried about losing to the Democrats from sheer numbers, they hadn't imagined an ideological shitstorm like the one that's about to happen. The people who are still in their party and not in the graveyard are basically white extremists, and they vote. The real alarming thing is that a lot of republicans see this as a Trump/Cruz race, and that's horrifying on so many levels. It's like the only choices they're willing to even consider were 'bad' and 'worse'.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Case in point, Chicago selling their parking meter rights/proceeds to Dubai to make up for a 1 year short fall. This sound even more loving stupid than the AZ Capitol Building thing. Though to be fair, I'm pretty sure climate change in going gently caress Dubai so hard that Spec Ops The Line is like picnic in comparison. DemeaninDemon posted:Kasich isn't any worse than the other two. He just hides behind his grandpa white bread veneer really well. I read in the previous threads that Kasich is the silent underling type that competently and efficiently enacts his master's plan to great effect. Not sure how true that is.
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PhazonLink posted:
Wasn't that Walker, a fully-owned subsidiary of Koch Enterprises?
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ecureuilmatrix posted:Wasn't that Walker, a fully-owned subsidiary of Koch Enterprises? They said "competently".
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CannonFodder posted:Ugh, commerce dodged a bullet with that one. I vaguely recall Ohio and Penn trying to sell off their state owned liquor stores, stores which give a steady yearly profit. The GOP was talking about doing this in VA during the McDonnell administration, but it got shot down.
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DemeaninDemon posted:It tickles my funny bone that the election reduced Walker to a stereotypical dad. I was really hoping that when Walker dropped out we'd get this year's version of this picture:  edit: wtf cat??
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