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Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

the only metal gear solid I've played is phantom pain and I've barely made a dent in it. but it's fun so far.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 20:50

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# ? May 31, 2024 22:51

codenameFANGIO: May 4, 2012; What are you even booing here?

cram me sideways posted:

You'll play MGS1 and 2 and be happy with the arcade stealth but then you'll put in loving MGS3 and great now the radar's loving useless and now you've got to worry about this camoflage bullshit and it's so goddamn slow and who are all these boring characters and ugh no so you move on to MGS4 and it's sixteen billion hours of Kojima's autism, just a loving slog of him smelling his own farts and yessir more weird boss battles i hope you like looking at a wet woman's rear end as she writhes on the floor and begs you to kill her heehee kojima-san you are a character!!! okay so how about MGS5 well by god it's more loving plodding godawful not fun stealth action where you have to sit still for a billion hours trying to loving plot out a route or whatever except OOPSIE you didn't notice one guard so now the whole mission's hosed; BETTER START AGAIN. oh yeah and vagina-bomb. BUT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE YOU GET A DOGGY AND REVOLVER OCELOT DOES A FUNNY

You may be right because I haven't played all of these yet but drat is this an embarrassing way to express your point.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 20:50

Nasgate: Jun 7, 2011

cram me sideways posted:

You'll play MGS1 and 2 and be happy with the arcade stealth but then you'll put in loving MGS3 and great now the radar's loving useless and now you've got to worry about this camoflage bullshit and it's so goddamn slow and who are all these boring characters and ugh no so you move on to MGS4 and it's sixteen billion hours of Kojima's autism, just a loving slog of him smelling his own farts and yessir more weird boss battles i hope you like looking at a wet woman's rear end as she writhes on the floor and begs you to kill her heehee kojima-san you are a character!!! okay so how about MGS5 well by god it's more loving plodding godawful not fun stealth action where you have to sit still for a billion hours trying to loving plot out a route or whatever except OOPSIE you didn't notice one guard so now the whole mission's hosed; BETTER START AGAIN. oh yeah and vagina-bomb. BUT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE YOU GET A DOGGY AND REVOLVER OCELOT DOES A FUNNY

Mgs3
1. You can go through the whole game in the starting olive drab (or naked, like a real Big Boss.
2. If you didn't like talking to Sigint about how you threw away his knife or being in a box or the sweet lever action of a Mosin, then that's cool. But Aspergers snake is way more interesting and unique than most characters.

Mgs 4
1. The cutscenes are all skipable if you don't enjoy that.
2. The beauties take up maybe 5 minutes all together. And The beasts are all typical MGS bosses.
3. If you didn't tear up at the metal gear fight or fist fight, smh.

5.
1. It gives you so many options and tools that you'd have to be extremely dumb to have problems.
2. Womb bomb, way more symbolic.
3. I'm sorry you somehow suck at the easiest MGS stealth and decide to blame the core mechanics.

I will give you that Kojima writing isn't for everyone. And that the gratuitous sexualization of male and female characters is dissonant with the rest of the tone.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 21:15

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

NOT FOR HONOR

BUT FOR YOU

# ? Apr 3, 2016 21:18

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

(snake eater)

# ? Apr 3, 2016 21:18

VideoGames: Aug 18, 2003

It is decided. I am going to do my best to get through MGS1 and play them in order!

Also I am european so my HD remastered disc might have peacewalker on it! If not I'll play it when I get to it. It comes before 5 and after 4, yes?

# ? Apr 3, 2016 21:21

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

VideoGames posted:

It is decided. I am going to do my best to get through MGS1 and play them in order!

Also I am european so my HD remastered disc might have peacewalker on it! If not I'll play it when I get to it. It comes before 5 and after 4, yes?

It was released after 4, yeah. I wasn't a fan, but a lot of people really enjoy it.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 21:22

8-Bit Scholar: Jan 23, 2016; by FactsAreUseless

FactsAreUseless posted:

Oh nooooo you guys sometimes games in a series change, instead of all being the same game forever, aaaaaaaaaa, let's freak the gently caress out aaaaaaaaaaa

hosed up if true

# ? Apr 3, 2016 21:23

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

VideoGames posted:

It is decided. I am going to do my best to get through MGS1 and play them in order!

Also I am european so my HD remastered disc might have peacewalker on it! If not I'll play it when I get to it. It comes before 5 and after 4, yes?

yeah, though it's a sequel to mgs3, so you could just play it then if you want. or not at all, if you don't like it.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 21:24

VideoGames: Aug 18, 2003

FactsAreUseless posted:

It was released after 4, yeah. I wasn't a fan, but a lot of people really enjoy it.

I know the chronological order of the games is a little whack, but I figure I'll get the best out of the games if I play them in release order because that's how those who love them experienced it.

Might make a start on MGS1 in a few. I am terrible at video games.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 21:27

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

mgs1 isn't that hard. just be sure you've got your box handy

# ? Apr 3, 2016 21:29

8-Bit Scholar: Jan 23, 2016; by FactsAreUseless

Whose footprints are these!?

# ? Apr 3, 2016 21:31

MPLS to NOLA: Aug 14, 2010; i gotta little trigger
twitchin in my brain
and when that doesn't start
there's murder in my heart

I've been in a really good mood all afternoon and it's thanks to Metal Gear Solid [series] and in particular Peace Walker

# ? Apr 3, 2016 21:38

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

VideoGames posted:

I know the chronological order of the games is a little whack, but I figure I'll get the best out of the games if I play them in release order because that's how those who love them experienced it.

Might make a start on MGS1 in a few. I am terrible at video games.

Go to GameFAQs and look up the controls. There are a lot of options you don't realize you have. That's why MGS1 is so hard at the beginning.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 21:44

CrashCat: Jan 10, 2003; another shit post

Nasgate posted:

5.
1. It gives you so many options and tools that you'd have to be extremely dumb to have problems.

On the other hand you don't start with hardly any of them, and even when you get them the game goes like "no lol here's a straight damage battle, hope you did enough grinding to have the necessary DPS or you're gonna replay this forever"

And then when you "beat" the game you still have a shitton more grinding to do, so most people just won't even get the really cool poo poo

buuuuut people wanted more Peace Walker so that's what you get

# ? Apr 3, 2016 22:16

Ciaphas: Nov 20, 2005; > BEWARE, COWARD

Wasn't MGS1 like the only game that used the buttons in an analogue fashion, like for melee or something, or am I thinking of something else

# ? Apr 3, 2016 22:16

tap my mountain: Jan 1, 2009; I'm the quick and the deadly

Ciaphas posted:

Wasn't MGS1 like the only game that used the buttons in an analogue fashion, like for melee or something, or am I thinking of something else

Nah, it's 2 and 3 (4 maybe?). It's cool cause to lower your pistol without firing a shot off requires you to relax your finger on the button carefully.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 22:20

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

Ciaphas posted:

Wasn't MGS1 like the only game that used the buttons in an analogue fashion, like for melee or something, or am I thinking of something else

that's mgs2 and 3. you'd hold the button lightly to raise your gun and press down to fire.

they remapped it in the hd releases.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 22:21

Ciaphas: Nov 20, 2005; > BEWARE, COWARD

Oh yeah

I remember thinking at the time "those buttons are analog?!"

# ? Apr 3, 2016 22:24

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

corn in the bible posted:

that's mgs2 and 3. you'd hold the button lightly to raise your gun and press down to fire.

they remapped it in the hd releases.

Very cool. I only played the HD version so I missed it.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 22:25

FirstAidKite: Nov 8, 2009

hello I hope everybody is having a good day today

# ? Apr 3, 2016 22:56

Jay Rust: Sep 27, 2011

yep!

# ? Apr 3, 2016 22:59

Mak0rz: Aug 2, 2008; 😎🐗🚬

I've decided to finally play through Hexen and its expansion, Deathkings of the Dark Citadel.

Jesus loving Christ Hexen is awful. It is just straight-up bad. It is a stupidly lovely game and its expansion did not improve on anything besides letting you know if a switch affected something in another dungeon (the base game did not and instead left it to you to go back and poke around).

# ? Apr 3, 2016 22:59

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

Mak0rz posted:

I've decided to finally play through Hexen and its expansion, Deathkings of the Dark Citadel.

Jesus loving Christ Hexen is awful. It is just straight-up bad. It is a stupidly bad game and its expansion did not improve on anything besides letting you know if a switch affected something in another dungeon (the base game did not and instead left it to you to go back and poke around).

hexen is a bad doom mod. skip

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:00

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

FirstAidKite posted:

hello I hope everybody is having a good day today

finished a term paper today

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:00

tap my mountain: Jan 1, 2009; I'm the quick and the deadly

I can't stop making miifotos of my friends. Somebody delete this app from my phone

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:01

FirstAidKite: Nov 8, 2009

corn in the bible posted:

finished a term paper today

aboutdamned time!!

I am glad, and hope that you get a good grade on it

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:03

Mak0rz: Aug 2, 2008; 😎🐗🚬

corn in the bible posted:

hexen is a bad doom mod. skip

I thought FirstPersonShitter's old review rant was exaggerating for comedy, but no he in fact did not stress enough how loving awful the game is. It is actually worse than he leads you to believe with these posts.

FirstPersonShitter posted:

I do not like Hexen.

Heretic was my first ever FPS. It was awesome. My parents let me play it and not doom because doom had real guns and you shot people in it. The closest heretic got to people was yellow michelin men full of ghosts. But Heretic was and is pretty great, nostalgia aside.

Naturally I was just super jazzed when my dad got Hexen. It was like Heretic, but it had all this crazy new poo poo. Open world! New monsters! Three roided up todd mcfarlane badasses to choose from! Powerups out the rear end!

I thought it was awesome at the time, mostly cause I just cheated and warped around the levels, but playing it again now, all that stuff is the reason it sucks.

Hexen is not gritty, it is just ugly. Quake gets poo poo for being brown. Brown is a feature Quake lifted shamelessly from Hexen and ruined with the occassioanl brightly lit section. Hexen is muddy, foggy, dim, not even as interesting as dark. When I was a kid I found the game a little unsettling, I thought this was because of the scarier monsters and hanging corpses, but no. The game was just giving me seasonal depression. The art style is like something a van-airbrusher or metal album cover artist did in their off time using the colours they had left after they had used up all the colours that make people feel excitement.

The class system sucks too. More choice! More playstyles! No. 4 weapons per playthrough. gently caress you. And if the repetition of using 1 or 2 weapons all the time wasn't bad enough, those weapons suck.

The fighter's weapons suck. He doesn't get a ranged weapon till episode 2, so his extra health is offset by all the getting hit in the face he does. That ranged weapon being the hammer bros hammer from mario. Which I guess is cool. His ultimate weapon is a sword. A sword that you aren't even allowed to hit people with. It shoots green poo poo in a big wave, I guess because it's magic.

The mage's default grandma brooch is his best weapon, which means you'll spend ages plinking away with the most boring effect in history. His ultimate incorporates the exciting design elements of redness and skulls but its main power is using all your mana to shoot stupid fire grappling hooks into the wall either side of your enemy.

The cleric gets the best weapons, but they make no sense. A snake staff? I've not been to church many times but I've seen at least half of Witchfinder General and there was no snake staff in that. And Witchfinder General was awesome. His second weapon is I guess a spell the mage didn't really want. It doesn't even shoot holy beams out. Just basic fire. His ultimate is extremely rad however because it is a heavy metal crucifix that shoots ghosts. Angry ghosts with a lust for wrecking dudes. Sometimes they even turn around and wreck you. But you will never get to use it because it uses too much mana.

The hub system is terrible. Maybe it's just me. Maybe at the time there were a hell of a lot of dudes writing in to Raven saying "Heretic was AWESOME but what would really kick it OFF THE CHAIN (it was the 90s) is if you had to revisit each level three times to unlock one extra room with 3 imps in and a switch you will not see.". But that's what most of the game is. They don't even tell you what the switches have unlocked. You just have to blunder about. The levels are poo poo too. Nobody wants to go to a cave once, never mind three times. It's not even a cool cave with like, lava and skeletons and a hidden demon temple. It's just a regular cave. The monsters all wear northface clothes and want to talk to you about stalactites and quartz.

I guess to themeatically mirror the weapons, the enemies are poo poo too. There are like 5 of them and at least three of them are lifted from Heretic and made less fun. I guess they still had some lovely mechanics left over after they were done converting the Heretic monsters so the main other new monster is a fleshy centaur looking thing that blocks for like 2 seconds straight every time you hit them. It takes two hits to kill them of almost any weapon, so killing them is like being a cashier waiting for a senior citizen to find something in their purse then put it away again. There are 100 of them in every level and they all queue up behind the one that is currently wasting your time. Again like old people at a checkout.

That is the whole game. Killing inconvenient, boring enemies with inconvenient, boring weapons to find a switch nobody gives a gently caress about.

This post came out way spergier than intended so I guess i'll be chased out of here being whipped with model trains, but seriously gently caress Hexen.

FirstPersonShitter posted:

Wait hold up I knew there was something I forgot to talk about :

Hexen's powerups. They are bad.

A lot of them are from Heretic. Heretic was a good game. Being able to hold on to powerups to use later was cool. Most of them were just the powerups from doom reskinned, but the real deal was the Tome of Power. The Tome of Power was cool as hell. It made whatever weapon massively powerful and changed what it did, it was like a berserk pack for every weapon. The kickass skull plasma rifle started firing red rain clouds that killed whatever was under it. The gold rocket launcher bird stick became a flamethrower. It made every weapon into two weapons and that was really awesome.

What could Hexen, with its 4 weapons per character, really use? Something that could effectively double that weapon count?

Nope. More Quartz Flasks. Quartz Flasks are purple flasks that give you health. Pretty useful yeah. They weren't that common in Heretic but in Hexen you can get like 40 of them no problem. I guess they had to cause the hub design meant they couldn't do regular health pickups cause you'd get them all when you first went through the lovely level, then be hosed when you went back to and a room full of bullet hell wizards or green versions of that devil guy from spawn opened up. But with quartz flasks you could just hammer enter and your dude would chug five and you could just heal through the barrage while backing down an extremely narrow corridor that makes it impossible to dodge projectiles. Making gently caress you traps more survivable means you can use more of them instead of appealing, fair level design elements.

The other main thing was flechettes. Now in the real world a flechette is kind of a dart thing, but in Hexen they are bottles of green poo poo. They work differently for each class. The fighter uses them as extremely bouncy grenades that bounce off scenery and explode on his own face, the mage uses them as the timebomb from Heretic, and the cleric has them explode into a gas cloud. This gas cloud is great because it traps enemies in pain animations and lasts forever, so you can trap the annoying centaurs and spend 20 seconds watching them die while machinegun grunting. If you trap a couple of them in a cloud anyone passing will think your computer has locked up while you were watching gay porn.

Then there was some kind of gold coaster that moved every monster back 3 feet, another thing that teleported you back to the start of the level because I guess even the designers realised that backtracking is boring as gently caress. Also boots of speed that made you move so fast you fell off a ledge, a pig version of the chicken-polymorph egg from heretic, and a small statue of a minotaur that you throw out and it stays as a small statue of a minotaur. Sometimes it will turn into an extremely unhelpful minotaur that kills enemies much slower than you would and also hits you with friendly fire.

gently caress Hexen's powerups.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:04

bloodychill: May 8, 2004; And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life; Exciting Lemon

Dark Forces and Marathon 2 were the fun Doom clones. Heretic was ok and Hexen I could not even bother with.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:08

oddium: Feb 21, 2006; end of the 4.5 tatami age

Broseph Brostar posted:

I can't stop making miifotos of my friends. Somebody delete this app from my phone

same

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:10

axelblaze: Oct 18, 2006; Congratulations The One Concern!!!

You're addicted to Ivory!!

_{and...oh my...could you please...

oh my...}; Grimey Drawer

FirstAidKite posted:

hello I hope everybody is having a good day today

Not really to be honest

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:10

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

FirstAidKite posted:

aboutdamned time!!

I am glad, and hope that you get a good grade on it

yeah seriously. still got one left to write but ive got a couple weeks for it.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:14

axelblaze: Oct 18, 2006; Congratulations The One Concern!!!

You're addicted to Ivory!!

_{and...oh my...could you please...

oh my...}; Grimey Drawer

Also I never played Hexen but I remember Hexen 2 being pretty awesome.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:15

VideoGames: Aug 18, 2003

I just met revolver ocelot and goodness me he is a lot of fun. Though I accidentally blew up president baker because I put down c4 instead of using my socom thingie.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:16

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

VideoGames posted:

I just met revolver ocelot and goodness me he is a lot of fun. Though I accidentally blew up president baker because I put down c4 instead of using my socom thingie.

The cutscenes around this part of the game are so good.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:22

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

Stock footage of nuclear tests with narration about the Cold War is extremely my thing.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:22

Accordion Man: Nov 7, 2012; Buglord

Natasha is here to tell you that nukes are bad. Okay now you don't have to call her ever again.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:24

tap my mountain: Jan 1, 2009; I'm the quick and the deadly

oddium posted:

same

Miitomo is the premier app for photoshopping yourself into pictures of your cat

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:24

Nasgate: Jun 7, 2011

CrashCat posted:

On the other hand you don't start with hardly any of them, and even when you get them the game goes like "no lol here's a straight damage battle, hope you did enough grinding to have the necessary DPS or you're gonna replay this forever"

And then when you "beat" the game you still have a shitton more grinding to do, so most people just won't even get the really cool poo poo

buuuuut people wanted more Peace Walker so that's what you get

The first dps battle is after you get D-Walker, who trivializes it. The next is the metal gear fight. So uhh?

To VideoGames:
If you have peacewalker, go ahead and try it. But all the story is recapped in GZ/5. And honestly the gameplay is a big downgrade because it was for PSP. Unless you really fall for the series, I wouldn't recommend buying it. Not that it's really bad, it's just grindy and really tailored to multiple short sessions on the train.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:31

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# ? May 31, 2024 22:51

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

Accordion Man posted:

Natasha is here to tell you that nukes are bad. Okay now you don't have to call her ever again.

I only ever made like three codec calls in MGS3.

# ? Apr 3, 2016 23:32

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