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Kazak_Hstan posted:Why the articles of confederation? There are multiple references to the several states in the constitution, including the commerce and priviliges and immunities clauses (also the one where it says the president is the commander of the militias, but im sure that part doesn't count.) Yeah, it does in both, but it's more prevalent from the AoC. Sovereigns tend to look at the relationship between the states/feds as the one established by the articles.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Yeah, it does in both, but it's more prevalent from the AoC. Sovereigns tend to look at the relationship between the states/feds as the one established by the articles. I've seen some fun conspiracies out there that claim that we should still be operating under the AoC since the Constitution was never actually proper ratified. For reasons.
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Until these idiots start leaving random roadside IEDs, nobody's going to care about their retarded pseudo-political cause. And the instant that they do/threaten the FBI is going to destroy all their terrorist cells.
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citybeatnik posted:I've seen some fun conspiracies out there that claim that we should still be operating under the AoC since the Constitution was never actually proper ratified. For reasons. 13-15 weren't either because the southern delegates weren't seated at congress. Basically if they believe the constitution is valid they rarely believe that the amendments past the bill of rights are valid.
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I have heard that about the sixteenth amendment from the Ron Paul crowd when arguing the income tax is unconsitutional despite having its very own amendment.
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cumshitter posted:ok thank you
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Kazak_Hstan posted:I have heard that about the sixteenth amendment from the Ron Paul crowd when arguing the income tax is unconsitutional despite having its very own amendment. If I remember right the argument there is that Ohio or Kentucky or something like that didn't ratify it so it's no go. The other argument is that your labor is your property and any wages you receive are just fair trade for your property. Taxing that, then, is an unconstitutional taking under the fifth.
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Bombadilillo posted:More then 200 people at there event... What gets me is that it wouldn't even be them who strip mine and deforest the place, it would be some huge multinational which would then bugger off, leaving the state a void of poverty and environmental wastelands. It's like libertarians who genuinely and deeply feel that if only governments would cease to exist they would somehow magically become CEOs and billionaires, masters of the foetid rapetopia they've always wanted and not the greasy nothings they are now.
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Mr. Nice! posted:If I remember right the argument there is that Ohio or Kentucky or something like that didn't ratify it so it's no go. The other argument is that your labor is your property and any wages you receive are just fair trade for your property. Taxing that, then, is an unconstitutional taking under the fifth. Labor as your property? Almost Marxist.
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Gorilla Salad posted:What gets me is that it wouldn't even be them who strip mine and deforest the place, it would be some huge multinational which would then bugger off, leaving the state a void of poverty and environmental wastelands. Conservatives in general have been trained to identify with the wealthy and corporations out of a misguided idea that they earned their money through pure merit. Libertarians take this to the next level and seem to equate the free market to some strange sort of religion where they will be counted among the worthy if they do away with the oppressive government and let their corporate masters rule them with an iron fist. They can't seem to imagine that they won't also be part of that ruling elite. Letting that irrationality cross with SovCIt gibbberish produces what we see here.
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Geostomp posted:Conservatives in general have been trained to identify with the wealthy and corporations out of a misguided idea that they earned their money through pure merit. Libertarians take this to the next level and seem to equate the free market to some strange sort of religion where they will be counted among the worthy if they do away with the oppressive government and let their corporate masters rule them with an iron fist. They can't seem to imagine that they won't also be part of that ruling elite. Letting that irrationality cross with SovCIt gibbberish produces what we see here. I think a good dose of wacky religion helps get the SovCit train going, too. Look at the number of Mormons that appear to be members, for instance. Around here, years and years ago, the SovCits were some kind of apostolic Christian weirdos, if memory serves. Fringe Mormon groups are at least as crazy.
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Most modern sovcit ideology traces its roots to posse comitatus and they believed in the Christian identity movement. These were people that believed white Europeans are the true children of Israel. The entire system started with white Christian supremacy.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Most modern sovcit ideology traces its roots to posse comitatus and they believed in the Christian identity movement. These were people that believed white Europeans are the true children of Israel. The entire system started with white Christian supremacy. Very true. It just makes sense that classically racist fundamentalist Mormons would bandwagon the kind of thing, too. I don't remember the group here being particularly racist, but this is one of the whitest places on Earth, and was especially so back then, so it may just not have come up.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Very true. It just makes sense that classically racist fundamentalist Mormons would bandwagon the kind of thing, too. I don't remember the group here being particularly racist, but this is one of the whitest places on Earth, and was especially so back then, so it may just not have come up. If you investigate thoroughly enough you always find the racism. Its not always hard to find, but its always there. Just like when Cliven Bundy did his stand against the feds and became a hero for the republican party, then started talking about how black people were better off under slavery and then Fox News had some egg on its face.
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Phi230 posted:If you investigate thoroughly enough you always find the racism. Its not always hard to find, but its always there. I'm not sure fox news is ever aware of the egg on its face because that exact scenario has happened several times. The duck dynasty guy literally said the exact same thing about slavery and everyone just ignored it to focus on ~the gays~
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Very true. It just makes sense that classically racist fundamentalist Mormons would bandwagon the kind of thing, too. I don't remember the group here being particularly racist, but this is one of the whitest places on Earth, and was especially so back then, so it may just not have come up. Mormons until the late 70s had a firm belief that anyone black carried the mark of Cain and were extremely discriminated against until the living prophet decided that God had enough hating on black people.
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https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/716651936208977920 One of the major financial backers of the movement and distributor of the pocket Constitution is dead.
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So there's this little gas station like 30 or so miles from the Finicum homestead. I stopped there for a bag of fried wasabi peas before a hike and noticed they had copies of his book on the counter by the cash register for sale. "Only by Blood and Suffering." I'm assuming its a bunch of scary tales about menstruation. Edit: VVV I was too busy stuffing wasabi peas into my fat goon face and thinking about the best way to find the petroglyphs I was after. The real reason is these people are scary and I live here. (I am a huge pussy) old beast lunatic has issued a correction as of 17:12 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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how did you not instantly buy it and tear it up silently as you walked out
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VikingSkull posted:how did you not instantly buy it and tear it up silently as you walked out I too silently protest things by supporting them financially Stomping on French fries to show those frogs
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Since I already outed myself as a local I'll confess that I've never met Finicum, but I have friends who knew him. Granola hippy type people that got along with him just fine and considered him a good neighbor. Yeah, that surprised me too. Southern Utah/northern Arizona is an insane combination of tree hugging leftists and conservative mormons.... and apparently patriots like Finicum. Everything I've heard about the man, even from people who were on the other (sane) side of the political spectrum seems to indicate he was a nice guy personally, even though his writings and rantings are unbelievably insane. These same people immediately shot down the notion that he was using his foster kids as slave labor. He might have been using the foster system as a source of income which is definitely kind of lovely but from what I've heard the kids were not mistreated. This is all second hand hearsay bullshit so make of it what you will. Its too bad he had a bunch of really awful ideas that he was willing to go all-in with I guess. old beast lunatic has issued a correction as of 21:18 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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well yeah, they are the type of white white folk who will invite you for supper as long as you fit their model of an trun American to some extent. Otherwise you are the boogeyman to them and they will ascribe ever increasing nazi attributes to you the more different you are
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InterFaced posted:Since I already outed myself as a local I'll confess that I've never met Finicum, but I have friends who knew him. Granola hippy type people that got along with him just fine and considered him a good neighbor. Yeah, that surprised me too. Southern Utah/northern Arizona is an insane combination of tree hugging leftists and conservative mormons.... and apparently patriots like Finicum. It's sad but a lot of people are like that. They like other people just fine, they have this giant paranoid fear of big, abstract organizations. It seems really close to actual paranoia a lot of the time. Also, based on his writing, he might not have been such a sweet guy to black people.
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Obdicut posted:It's sad but a lot of people are like that. They like other people just fine, they have this giant paranoid fear of big, abstract organizations. It seems really close to actual paranoia a lot of the time. Also, based on his writing, he might not have been such a sweet guy to black people. I have to say you have the longest yet most mild red text I've ever seen
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InterFaced posted:Since I already outed myself as a local I'll confess that I've never met Finicum, but I have friends who knew him. Granola hippy type people that got along with him just fine and considered him a good neighbor. Yeah, that surprised me too. Southern Utah/northern Arizona is an insane combination of tree hugging leftists and conservative mormons.... and apparently patriots like Finicum. As someone who lives in The South I'm very used to people with unbelievably insane and lovely beliefs being super-friendly and hospitable, it's kinda our whole thing. Southern Hospitality is all about being really nice to someone [as you explain to them your hotel doesn't have any rooms left when in reality you just want the scary black man to leave]
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Alan Smithee posted:I have to say you have the longest yet most mild red text I've ever seen It is also completely inaccurate except for 'sociologist' and it leaves out what I actually do, and creates the awesome title of 'video gamer designer', because god knows I wish I could design a better gamer.
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http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...-they-are-cops/quote:“Kill cops because they are cops, if for no other reason,” not quite the FTP NWA hit they were hoping for Obdicut posted:It is also completely inaccurate except for 'sociologist' and it leaves out what I actually do, and creates the awesome title of 'video gamer designer', because god knows I wish I could design a better gamer. *cranks up boob slider*
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Alan Smithee posted:
More like "removes desire for boob slider in character creation" and most importantly "Sets desire for 'realism' to .0001"
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Obdicut posted:More like "removes desire for boob slider in character creation" and most importantly "Sets desire for 'realism' to .0001" not to derail but those sound mutually exclusive
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lol he looks like an old white me tryin to fit in a suit except with freedom tie
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-ties tie shorter than belly button-
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Dude, this was a positive outcome. Your son very nearly ended up in a pine box in the middle of loving Nowhere, Oregon like Tarp Man did. Seriously, be grateful your son is still alive, we were worried as gently caress he'd kill himself.
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Alan Smithee posted:lol he looks like an old white me tryin to fit in a suit I want to get a nice American flag necktie but with a gold fringe all the way around it.
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Professor of Cats posted:-ties tie shorter than belly button- That tie goes well below his belly button. It's appropriate length for a fat guy like him.
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The Oregonian posted:Jones said he was concerned about Fry's mental instability and threats of suicide hours before his surrender Feb. 11 to FBI agents. Summary of the hearing Fry Sr. attended
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