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Spangly A posted:this worked really well for the liberals, SDP-Lib alliance, greens, Lib Dems, and UKIP I don't actually want the Tory left or the Blairites in power though, but additional voices against FPTP is always good, so it works for me. e: 9 is the only positive perfect power that is one more than another positive perfect power. It is also the number of tenths of the law that possession is, apparently. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Apr 3, 2016 |
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jabby posted:You'd think it would be the easiest thing in the world to exploit. Do you want another foreign multinational, or do you want to bring back BRITISH Steel. Slap a union jack on it and a commercial of girders with 'Made In Britain' stamped on them and you would think the public would eat it up. Don't need to go full on National Front, but just saying "lets protect our industries and prevent outsourcing, while also stopping Tesco from gouging your local cornershop out of business" isn't too controversial.
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baka kaba posted:If you press 9 three times on a phone you can summon a malevolent force Is it one of those Fire Engines I've heard so much about? They sound scary as poo poo
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Spangly A posted:this is literally UKIP Lib Dems, shurely?
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Guavanaut posted:Which actually might be a good thing in the long run because they might raise hell to get a different voting system when they inevitably get a ton of votes and 3 seats. Here, I made a handy flowchart of how this will pan out: 
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So apparently Corbyn will be rocking Glastonbury this year. Looks like he is speaking mainly as a representative of CND, which is sure to piss off the PLP all over again. Still, engaging with that big a crowd and the 'cool factor' of appearing at Glastonbury can't hurt. Hopefully.
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jabby posted:So apparently Corbyn will be rocking Glastonbury this year. He will be blamed for everything from the portaloos to the weather. Also, is Glastonbury still cool?
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Seems to be mainly filled with marketing and PR account managers from Clapham
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Thanks Ants posted:Seems to be mainly filled with marketing and PR account managers from Clapham aka "Middle England"
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Angepain posted:Here, I made a handy flowchart of how this will pan out:
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Trickjaw posted:He will be blamed for everything from the portaloos to the weather. Also, is Glastonbury still cool? Glastonbury still has something for it, last year had Patti Smith and the Dalai Lama on stage together. Then Pussy Riot showed up in a tank. A couple of good sets too. It's just nowhere near worth the money and, because of that, full of the middle class. Volunteering is a great way to go to see your favourite gigs and get ruined for free.
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I thought Glastonbury was all rich future Tories but not Tory until I realise I'm useless and need the privilege and inheritance like Zac Goldsmith these days?
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jabby posted:So apparently Corbyn will be rocking Glastonbury this year. I can't see Corbyn doing well at a Tory festival.
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Guavanaut posted:And as parties that are hosed over by the current electoral system don't tend to get in power, the only way anything will change is by freak occurrence? Or are we banking on popular revolution? there is no hope, there is no god, for this is the United Kingdom and nothing good shall ever come to us. keep calm and face to bloodshed.
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Guavanaut posted:And as parties that are hosed over by the current electoral system don't tend to get in power, the only way anything will change is by freak occurrence? Or are we banking on popular revolution? To change the vetoing system you need to persuade the majority of voters it is a good idea. The problem is those parties that get hosed over by FPTP the most are the Greens and UKIP and no one wants the other loony lot any where close to power like you often get in pure PR European countries. When small far to the end of the political spectrum end up becoming power brokers like Sinn Fein has in in the past in Eire or the National Front has in France then the conservative British mentality thinks FPTP is the less lovely option. If you want a better system you need to come up with a good reason why we should currently have a Conservative/UKIP coalition running things at the moment.
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So Corbyn just won the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal at WrestleMania. Baron Corbin TinTower fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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TinTower posted:So Corbyn just won the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal at WrestleMania. 
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And for those who hate the rich a megalomaniac billionaire's son committed suicide on TV at the same event.
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jabby posted:So apparently Corbyn will be rocking Glastonbury this year. Would have thought he'd be too busy that weekend. With the aftermath of the EU referendum to deal with.
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StoneOfShame posted:And for those who hate the rich a megalomaniac billionaire's son committed suicide on TV at the same event. Hmmm?
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Cerv posted:Would have thought he'd be too busy that weekend. With the aftermath of the EU referendum to deal with.
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Guavanaut posted:I don't think he really cares about the result either way. Which is the correct response. Yeah just leaving the EU. No biggy.
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Guavanaut posted:I don't think he really cares about the result either way. Which is the correct response. Spend the weekend in a field while the Tories rip themselves to shreds over it. If we're leaving I'd rather not have the unopposed Tory right setting the terms of the exit negotiations etc Either way it's going to be an interesting few days. He could drop into Glastonbury for a few hours to do the speech but I'm just surprised he wouldn't rather keep the calendar clear because who knows what'll turn up needing a response.
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Cerv posted:If we're leaving I'd rather not have the unopposed Tory right setting the terms of the exit negotiations etc Pissflaps posted:Yeah just leaving the EU. No biggy.
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Cerv posted:Would have thought he'd be too busy that weekend. With the aftermath of the EU referendum to deal with. If "Stay" wins, which it will, there's not really any aftermath to deal with. We continue as usual.
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Fans posted:If "Stay" wins, which it will, there's not really any aftermath to deal with. We continue as usual. That seems naively optimistic.
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Zephro posted:I think it's a little idiosyncratic to argue that leaving the EU would be no big deal, whether you're for it or against it Either way, Corbyn maintaining distance rather than poking his dick into the running poo poo-covered lawn strimmer of the Tory EU debate seems like a wise idea. Like Fans said, stay will probably win and he can carry on in a stronger position from the fallout.
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There's a billboard on my way to work that just appeared the other day with the words 'THE TRUTH' and 'It's illegal to use a legal name'. A quick Google shows that this is the catchphrase of some idiot libertarian/sovereign citizen types that reckon we all have names on our birth certificates that are the property of the crown, and because we register to vote with our 'legal names' means all voting is fraudulent so there is no legitimate government anywhere in the world. Is this a new thing that lolbertarians are bleeding into the real world and aren't just confined to the internet? Never encountered this sort of insanity in the wild before.
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Cerv posted:That seems naively optimistic. If the independence referendum was anything to go by it's going to be fairly unpleasant even if the status quo wins. Even more so with a lot of the media being on the leave side. Hopefully the EU isn't as emotive as Independence is for a large number of Scottish people - the reaction the day after the referendum was kind of like a large scale personal tragedy.
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Guavanaut posted:If it really was that important I'm not sure they'd leave it up to a public referendum fed by a media circus rather than appoint a proper review. Who knows though, they've done more illogical things. It seems more a bone throwing exercise than addressing structural issues that are the real causes for people's dissatisfaction. It's more that Cameron has always relied on the press to carry him through. Heck, if the press hadn't been so rabidly pro-Tory he probably would have done even worse in 2010 than just 'no outright majority' - hence why he rewarded said press by not clamping down on media misbehaviour after the phone-hacking scandal. He's assumed the press will always back him because, like many Tories, he has no idea how the world really works. That and he needs to placate his dipshit back-benchers lest they defect to UKIP or the like.
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Also here is a Very Serious Person worrying that the pro-Remain side may suffer from the same problem the GE had with Miliband being close in the polls - that younger voters say they're definitely going to vote but then end up doing whatever it is yoofs these days do, smoking weed or buttchugging vodka or something, instead of voting. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/03/younger-voters-eu-referendum-turnout-poll-brexit
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Cerv posted:That seems naively optimistic. Not really? Expecting "Out" to win would be naively optimistic as it has seemingly everything going against it. No major party supports it, it has trouble breaking past "Stay" even in the more favorable Online polls and the betting sites have lousy odds on it. It's not a close race, despite the press wanting to pretend it is.
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Fans posted:Not really? Expecting "Out" to win would be naively optimistic as it has seemingly everything going against it. No major party supports it, it has trouble breaking past "Stay" even in the more favorable Online polls and the betting sites have lousy odds on it. I'm pretty certain he's referring to the fallout from the media and tory backbenchers over Baconmate campaigning to stay in.
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