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MSNBC is interviewing Brewers fans right now about who they're voting for tomorrow. Opening day is today, and the game begins in just over an hour. If you've not been or know nothing about Brewers games, the drinking started at about 10 this morning, most people will be hammered by this point, and most people will find their seat sometime around the 2nd or 3rd inning. Basically, MSNBC is interviewing a bunch of drunk people about politics. Boon fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Boon posted:MSNBC is interviewing Brewers fans right now about who they're voting for tomorrow. Opening day is today, and the game begins in just over an hour. If you've not been or know nothing about Brewers games, the drinking started at about 10 this morning, most people will be hammered by this point, and most people will find their seat sometime around the 2nd or 3rd inning.
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Apr 4, 2016 18:14
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Toph Bei Fong posted:The 2020 Election is going to be an odd one. All of them have kids just as awful as them or new far(ther) right politicians to run for office. You aren't going to just wait out poo poo that has been getting rebuild since the Gilded Age ended. poor life choice posted:I haven't done much reading on the guy, but I remember a politico article on Castro that barely qualifies as damning with faint praise. He's young and has a fantastic speaking voice, but I wonder at his credentials after someone pointed out to me that being mayor of San Antonio is basically just chief city council member, and a city engineer actually ran things. Does anyone have anything worth reading? That's still more leadership experience than Obama had when he got elected andand excluding HUD experience or the time he'd have as VP for 4 years in this scenario.
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Apr 4, 2016 18:14
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gradenko_2000 posted:Oh my God gently caress Lotus Notes so hard. That poo poo is secure by virtue of it being too slow to hack. genuinely the rationale my organization uses
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Apr 4, 2016 18:15
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Evil Fluffy posted:All of them have kids just as awful as them or new far(ther) right politicians to run for office. You aren't going to just wait out poo poo that has been getting rebuild since the Gilded Age ended. They won't be "just as awful" but they will still be bad. Younger conservatives are more liberal on social issues, especially gay rights, but outside of that yeah they won't be too different.
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Apr 4, 2016 18:24
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Boon posted:MSNBC is interviewing Brewers fans right now about who they're voting for tomorrow. Opening day is today, and the game begins in just over an hour. If you've not been or know nothing about Brewers games, the drinking started at about 10 this morning, most people will be hammered by this point, and most people will find their seat sometime around the 2nd or 3rd inning. Well, that is the most accurate state of mind to interview Wisconsin voters in.
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Apr 4, 2016 18:47
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MaxxBot posted:They won't be "just as awful" but they will still be bad. Younger conservatives are more liberal on social issues, especially gay rights, but outside of that yeah they won't be too different. That's probably worse, IMO. Imagine if Republicans were self-aware enough to try swinging the "socially liberal but fiscally conservative" idiots that are a natural Republican constituency - the younger folks are probably smart enough to pull that off.
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Apr 4, 2016 18:53
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/ScottBaio/status/716822976004358144 It makes me sad that people are still confident enough to broadcast opinions this loving stupid. Why is it cold in a cold place??? Can't explain that.
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Apr 4, 2016 18:56
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Internet Kraken posted:It makes me sad that people are still confident enough to broadcast opinions this loving stupid. Baio is a long standing tweeter of extremely hot GOP takes https://twitter.com/ScottBaio/status/251401769932963841
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Apr 4, 2016 18:58
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duz posted:Well that's what you want for a VP isn't it? Someone who speaks well and can stay on message. In my fantasy world, being VP gives him the experience to be President, in the real world? eh, we'll see. Evil Fluffy posted:All of them have kids just as awful as them or new far(ther) right politicians to run for office. You aren't going to just wait out poo poo that has been getting rebuild since the Gilded Age ended. Fair points. I guess I just have this (not researched) sense that the dem presidential candidate bench isn't very deep.
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Apr 4, 2016 19:00
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Opening day of baseball is the worst day for journalist twitter.
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Apr 4, 2016 19:05
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Anything baseball related on twitter is bad.
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Apr 4, 2016 19:11
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Rygar201 posted:baseball is bad. trim the fat
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Apr 4, 2016 19:13
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poor life choice posted:Fair points. I guess I just have this (not researched) sense that the dem presidential candidate bench isn't very deep. That's only because Hillary crushed the invisible primary. Absent a dominant figure like Hillary uniting the Democratic party behind her you would have seen a much more robust primary. Off the top of my head: Ron Wyden - probably running on a comprehensive privacy platform Deval Patrick - trying to keep together the Obama coalition Kristen Gillibrand - trying to be Hillary 2.0 Andrew Cuomo - trying to be the biggest tool on Earth Joe Biden - just being Joe, though maybe not because his son still dies in this alternate timeline. And there might be some generals who might have thrown their hat into the ring like Wesley Clark did in 2004.
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Apr 4, 2016 19:55
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Elizabeth Warren. My dream is that someday Russ Feingold, after his 2016 return to the Senate, makes a run at the presidency.
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Apr 4, 2016 19:58
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Someone just leaked a private survey conducted by LuntzGlobal, the polling and survey firm run by Republican strategist Frank Luntz, regarding the minimum wage. LuntzGlobal contacted over 1,000 high-ranking American executives and asked them if they supported raising the minimum wage. Over 80 per cent said yes and only 8 per cent said no. Washington Post has more. quote:The survey of 1,000 business executives across the country was conducted by LuntzGlobal, the firm run by Republican pollster Frank Luntz, and obtained by a liberal watchdog group called the Center for Media and Democracy. (The slide deck is here, and the full questionnaire is here.) Among the most interesting findings: 80 percent of respondents said they supported raising their state's minimum wage, while only eight percent opposed it. I don't anticipate this affecting the debate over minimum wage, but it is interesting to see that the corporations who fight so much against increases minimum wage aren't really that opposed to it.
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Apr 4, 2016 20:06
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Merritt's comments should be used aggresively in every ad ever about how the GOP doesn't have your, the working man/woman's interests at heart.
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Apr 4, 2016 20:09
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Rygar201 posted:Anything baseball related on twitter is bad. I just can't figure out why these political journalists like this thing that is an arduous, impenetrable process that relies wholly on knowing what's going on behind the....Oh I figured it out.
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Apr 4, 2016 20:09
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RINO hunting is becoming quite popular of late.
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Apr 4, 2016 20:10
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Bit of a random question, and probably completely off base. If the minimum wage is raised, that'll impact the expenses of a company, since a liability is going up and equity will go down. But can't you then turn around and write that off the taxes you're expected to pay and there-by, you know, lower your liabilities and raise your equity?
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Apr 4, 2016 20:35
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Apr 4, 2016 20:36
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citybeatnik posted:Bit of a random question, and probably completely off base. No, a raise in the minimum wage will cause seas to evaporate, the skies to burn and the sun to explode. You fool.
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Apr 4, 2016 20:41
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QuoProQuid posted:Someone just leaked a private survey conducted by LuntzGlobal, the polling and survey firm run by Republican strategist Frank Luntz, regarding the minimum wage. LuntzGlobal contacted over 1,000 high-ranking American executives and asked them if they supported raising the minimum wage. Over 80 per cent said yes and only 8 per cent said no. I love the loving panacea of the EITC. I just filed my taxes for last year, where I only made $9,000 (I was out of work most of the year). My EITC was roughly $400, granted, I don't have any kids. $400. If the minimum wage was increased by only $1/hour, that equals an extra $2080 a year for anyone working 40 hours a week, and it's accessible every paycheck, not once a year.
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Apr 4, 2016 20:42
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It's pretty bizarre to me how right wing political America is, and yet, it still loves the government-mandated minimum wage.
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Apr 4, 2016 20:44
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Radbot posted:It's pretty bizarre to me how right wing political America is, and yet, it still loves the government-mandated minimum wage. The extreme right wants it gone but it's a very popular program. You could say that for a lot of things.
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Apr 4, 2016 20:47
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There's no DINO hunting  Then again, the Blue Dogs are already dead, so maybe there's a good "already extinct" joke to be made here.
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Apr 4, 2016 20:49
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Daniel Bryan posted:The extreme right wants it gone but it's a very popular program. No, the extreme right doesn't want it gone. Ask anyone who identifies as "very conservative" and thinks Obama is a communifascistHitler and, more than likely, they will want a minimum wage and as much Social Security and Medicare as they can eat. More proof that Americans are mostly dumb as gently caress.
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Apr 4, 2016 20:49
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The way I often frame my political stances is: "People love and agree with everything I want to do, they just don't know it yet." This is specifically in reference to minimum wage, affordable healthcare etc. Also that idiot Merritt is going to fail horribly to cloud the min wage issue if that's the best he's got, the counter-argument is just as easily soundbitish: "I want Americans paid what their hard work is worth, not split between 3 different jobs so they can't see their kids."
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Apr 4, 2016 20:51
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Radbot posted:No, the extreme right doesn't want it gone. Ask anyone who identifies as "very conservative" and thinks Obama is a communifascistHitler and, more than likely, they will want a minimum wage and as much Social Security and Medicare as they can eat. More proof that Americans are mostly dumb as gently caress. The extreme right politicians that people end up voting for because they're on the right side of social issues, I mean.
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Apr 4, 2016 20:52
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Radbot posted:No, the extreme right doesn't want it gone. Ask anyone who identifies as "very conservative" and thinks Obama is a communifascistHitler and, more than likely, they will want a minimum wage and as much Social Security and Medicare as they can eat. More proof that Americans are mostly dumb as gently caress. Or it's proof that the noise machine works. There's a difference between willful ignorance and being inundated with so much bullshit you don't know which way is up.
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Edit: ^^^ true, but really it's a mixture of those two problems in healthy quantities. ^^^Radbot posted:No, the extreme right doesn't want it gone. Ask anyone who identifies as "very conservative" and thinks Obama is a communifascistHitler and, more than likely, they will want a minimum wage and as much Social Security and Medicare as they can eat. More proof that Americans are mostly dumb as gently caress. It's almost like the system intended to provide basic education to the public has been intentionally and systematically dismantled over a period of decades. But who could possibly benefit from such an effort?
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mdemone posted:Edit: ^^^ true, but really it's a mixture of those two problems in healthy quantities. ^^^ It's almost as if the people that are the most conservative were far more likely to have taken advantage of robust public educational institutions before they were dismantled, as they're more likely to be old. Sorry, old white folks don't get to play the "b-b-but I just didn't KNOW" card. And I'm sorry, you're just a loving idiot if you're a self-described "very conservative" person who is strongly against any gubbermint interference in anything, yet you're for a minimum loving wage, literal direct government interference in a private transaction.
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Junior G-man posted:Man I love circular firing squads Then have I got a subforum for you!
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Radbot posted:It's almost as if the people that are the most conservative were far more likely to have taken advantage of robust public educational institutions before they were dismantled, as they're more likely to be old. Sorry, old white folks don't get to play the "b-b-but I just didn't KNOW" card. Stop confusing me with your liberal bullshit!
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Radbot posted:No, the extreme right doesn't want it gone. Ask anyone who identifies as "very conservative" and thinks Obama is a communifascistHitler and, more than likely, they will want a minimum wage and as much Social Security and Medicare as they can eat. More proof that Americans are mostly dumb as gently caress. The whole point of the Tea Party is that they want those things, but only for the deserving. All Tea Party members know that they are hard workers, even the ones who are unemployed or retired, and hard workers have earned those benefits by being dedicated and motivated. Their objection is not to government benefits; the objection is to those benefits going to lazy undeserving people who haven't earned them. The way to tell if someone is lazy and undeserving is based mostly on skin color, but exceptions can be made for not loving Jeezus enough. Edit: now with science! quote:Commentators have sometimes noted the irony that these same Tea Partiers who oppose “government spending” are themselves recipients of Social Security, Medicare, or disability payments. Don’t they know these are “big government” programs? Rather than assume ignorance, we should recognize that what appear to be contradictory or uninformed views of federal government programs make better sense once we understand how Tea Party activists view themselves in relation to other groups in society. Tea Party activists in Massachusetts, as well as nationally, define themselves as workers, in opposition to categories of non-workers they perceive as undeserving of government assistance. Concerns about freeloading underlie Tea Party opposition to government spending. Tobermory fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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Apr 4, 2016 20:59
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Lotka Volterra posted:I'm also nearly certain that Vox piece is satire, seeing as that is the author's first and only article on the site. Seriously, guys? So I have a few friends on facebook who personally know this guy and say it's legit. Fuckin lmao
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Tobermory posted:The whole point of the Tea Party is that they want those things, but only for the deserving. All Tea Party members know that they are hard workers, even the ones who are unemployed or retired, and hard workers have earned those benefits by being dedicated and motivated. Their objection is not to government benefits; the objection is to those benefits going to lazy undeserving people who haven't earned them. The way to tell if someone is lazy and undeserving is based mostly on skin color, but exceptions can be made for not loving Jeezus enough. The data doesn't support this assertion: http://www.gallup.com/poll/165794/americans-raising-minimum-wage.aspx Why are so many conservatives ready to raise the federal minimum wage, which cannot be tailored to only go to The Right People?
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Radbot posted:The data doesn't support this assertion: http://www.gallup.com/poll/165794/americans-raising-minimum-wage.aspx That survey doesn't distinguish between Tea Party Republicans and moderate Republicans. Most Republicans support a minimum wage hike. Most Tea Partiers do not. I can't find a recent poll that crosstabs Tea Party support with views on a minimum wage hike, but here's one from 2013, another from 2013, and one from 2014.
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I can't help but feel like this article shows that once again both parties aren't the same but desperately hopes at the end that they will be.
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Daniel Bryan posted:It was incredible. I never imagined those words would be said on Then again, 'Deez Nuts' happened, sooo 
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