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WorldIndustries
Dec 21, 2004

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anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

Revelant
Jul 27, 2007

Ask me about my male escort services. 30% Discounts for Goons.
I made this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f45berG-RfI

To clarify: this is a situation that comes up lot in my games. So I decided to explore it and see what I could do to maximize my output.

Revelant fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Apr 5, 2016

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord

apple
May 18, 2003

Jose in the club wearing orange suspenders

Trykt
Jul 30, 2000

Still training..

I mustache you a question, but I'll shave it for later

Night Blade
Feb 25, 2013

http://shoryuken.com/2016/04/01/key-fighting-game-designer-leaves-capcom-for-snk-playmore/

Wellpp

rednecked_crake
Mar 17, 2012

srsly who wants to play this lamer?
When are they going to fix the lobbies? I just want to see flags at the very least. It literally takes me 15 minutes at peak times for someone in Europe to join who isn't below gold, I have to keep alt-tabbing in and kicking most who join.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

He's not the only designer who worked on SF5, or 3S for that matter, so it's not like him leaving after SF5 went gold is terrible for SF5.

Chev
Jul 19, 2010
Switchblade Switcharoo

Lemon-Lime posted:

He's not the only designer who worked on SF5, or 3S for that matter, so it's not like him leaving after SF5 went gold is terrible for SF5.

He actually left before SF5 was finished, but as far as we know he's been stuck writing manuals for quite a while at Capcom (which i probably one reason he left) and didn't work on SF5.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

Chev posted:

He actually left before SF5 was finished, but as far as we know he's been stuck writing manuals for quite a while at Capcom (which i probably one reason he left) and didn't work on SF5.

The game still isn't finished :downsrim:

But yeah, writing manuals in today's day and age is like getting fired or being demoted to the pachinko department so I can see why he left

Microwaves Mom
Nov 8, 2015

by zen death robot
https://www.facebook.com/adi.arubi/videos/1100804753296114/

Agoat
Dec 4, 2012

I AM BAD AT GAMES
Lipstick Apathy

ALEX!!

Weird Pumpkin
Oct 7, 2007

Lemon-Lime posted:

Awesome, thanks for posting this. Going to need a bit to digest it.

In the meantime, I'm going to upload a video of my terrible scrubby Karin playing against a newbie friend's Ryu, I'd appreciate any feedback from anyone once the video's done.

e; here's my bad Karin video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPbtRQlxgSw (I'm aware that I jump too much and am spamming Ressenhas a lot when I shouldn't, just FYI).

Feedback appreciated!

Quick breakdown since I didn't have time to get to this:


Stop the random Ressenhas: every follow up (and no followup) is unsafe. Even no follow up is -5, which you'll note for Karin is the same amount of frames as her sMP. This means that everytime you do it randomly you should be eating a full combo, if not a punish at least


Stop the random sweeps: When it's blocked (unless you're at the tip vs some characters) you should always be eating at least a sweep as a punish. If your friend was a little more familiar, the times you did it close you would've eaten a full combo off of cmp.


Watch the jump ins: If someone is not punishing your jump ins then it can be ok to keep doing it. For an example: see Marn's play at NCR :v:. Do not do it when you're practicing like this however! Force yourself to stay grounded and play footsies, Karin is extremely strong when she plays footsies well, and extremely weak when you rely on gimmicks as all of her specials are unsafe unblock


Learn some meaties: For Karin you should be using a couple buttons as meaties. These are: cmp, c/sLP. You can of course do it with other buttons, and there are setups for doing things like Ressenha meaty to combo off the overhead, but if you learn to rely on it you will be punished forever when you face someone better.


Work your combos. You already mentioned that and I wrote that big ole effort post so I won't go into this here (and you already know it)


Anti-air: This is absolutely critical. Karin's good anti-airs are: sLP, sHP, cHP. Her reversal/aa special is: ex ressenha

  • sLP is relatively general purpose. It doesn't really lead to anything and doesn't do much damage, but the key here is that it covers a very close in jump or a neutral jump which is your deadzone for sHP and cHP.
  • sHP and cHP are actually really solid anti airs regarding actually hitting people. The problem with these buttons is that Karin takes a step forward as she does them. This means that very deep jump ins and neutral jumps can be an issue as they may end up crossing you up instead.

    The trade off here is that you can cancel these buttons into her command dash: the lk version may cross under or may not, depending on distance. The medium kick version will ALWAYS cross under, the hk version will cross under and put you at just about sweep range on the other side of the player.

    After the command dash you can do an extremely easy meaty cmp, or you can go for a throw. Versus Ryu and Ken, many players will reflexively throw an SRK on any cross under attempt to try and stuff your meaty or throw. It's worth trying a cross under then blocking on the off chance you'll get a crushcounter out of it.
What you did well: you tried to keep pressure on Ryu, it was unsafe pressure and really only worked because he's new but it's the right thing to do. Karin needs to be played at about mid-range and focus on pressure once you get the knockdown. Note that this doesn't mean crazy aggro rushdown 24/7. You should be in range to play footsies and pressure your opponent.

The big key to Karin though is that she's a high damage character at the expense of having the lower life point total. Unfortunately she lives in a game where many other characters have pretty high damage a few times a round as well, so your fundamentals need to be good once the gimmicks stop working.



I didn't put this in the combo post, but your CC is sHK. Your CC combo is:

Close range: cc sHK, micro shimmy forward, sHP as your starter. You can then JFL and do any ender, or VTC and do a second sHP into JFL. If you do the VTC you can ALSO do rekkas into super here (if you're feeling risky just do standard rekka extension into super, the easier way is do the cross up ender into super)

Medium range: cc sHK, sHK, VTC, micro shimmy forward, sHP as your starter, JFL, then any ender or rekkas

Long range: cc sHK, v-trigger or cHK



One last thing I'll add is that you don't have to constantly be going in. I mentioned it a little above but pressure doesn't mean pushing all the buttons. One of the most effective ways of putting pressure on someone is forcing them to give up screen, and often you can do that by simply walking towards your opponent and letting them give you the screen.

Madcosby
Mar 4, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
How on earth do you do birdie's trial #3? The jumping medium kick, medium punch, hold down and release third attack? It can't be done

teh_Broseph
Oct 21, 2010

THE LAST METROID IS IN
CATTIVITY. THE GALAXY
IS AT PEACE...
Lipstick Apathy

Madcosby posted:

How on earth do you do birdie's trial #3? The jumping medium kick, medium punch, hold down and release third attack? It can't be done

Hold light punch or something before you start - jMK, MP, let go of LP

Madcosby
Mar 4, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

teh_Broseph posted:

Hold light punch or something before you start - jMK, MP, let go of LP

ah ive been trying that with medium punch and kick ill try it your way. so frustrating

the demonstration should just have birdie turn to the camera and point and laugh

Agoat
Dec 4, 2012

I AM BAD AT GAMES
Lipstick Apathy
If this game had a good messaging system I'd be able to message that good Alex I just fought and ask him to run some sets with me. :(

zooted heh
Oct 16, 2005

str8 mercin burgers my nigga
do you play on the ps4 because ppl have no problem telling me how scummy I am after a match.

Ventana
Mar 28, 2010

*Yosh intensifies*

Agoat posted:

If this game had a good messaging system I'd be able to message that good Alex I just fought and ask him to run some sets with me. :(

If you're on PC, can't you just add him to your friends list?

I dunno if PSN is any different from PS3 days, but you could kind of basically do that too though not as easy.

Agoat
Dec 4, 2012

I AM BAD AT GAMES
Lipstick Apathy

Ventana posted:

If you're on PC, can't you just add him to your friends list?

I dunno if PSN is any different from PS3 days, but you could kind of basically do that too though not as easy.

Steam doesn't show me recent SFV players for some reason. I've tried searching usernames too but Capcom ID doesn't always match a Steam display name.

rednecked_crake
Mar 17, 2012

srsly who wants to play this lamer?
you have to look at their steam id on their profile and then put that into a steam search id search website

Agoat
Dec 4, 2012

I AM BAD AT GAMES
Lipstick Apathy

HoboWithAShotgun posted:

you have to look at their steam id on their profile and then put that into a steam search id search website

Capcom :(

Also, I hate running a set in ranked then getting the final match to be a laggy mess. GARBAGE

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Elvis_Maximus posted:

Quick breakdown since I didn't have time to get to this:

Huge thanks for this, dude. I decided to just practice execution for a week or so before going back in properly so I can just-frame Tenko reliably, but this is super useful.

Klades
Sep 8, 2011

Here's my scrubby Karin versus a ragequitting Ryu if anyone's bored enough to watch that. This is the salty runback after I lost the first match, where he demonstrated a strong love of sweep, which he then proceeded to almost not use at all this time around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyTppsXghRQ

I don't think it came up there, but I really need to find more buttons to press for frametraps, whenever someone figures out "just keep blocking until st.mk" my entire game plan starts to slowly crumble apart.

boxcarhobo
Jun 23, 2005

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-04-05-why-r-mika-is-the-most-hated-character-in-street-fighter-5-right-now

Draynar
Apr 22, 2008

Madcosby posted:

How on earth do you do birdie's trial #3? The jumping medium kick, medium punch, hold down and release third attack? It can't be done

Hold down another key for the charge move.

CVE
Jan 27, 2012

Agoat posted:

Steam doesn't show me recent SFV players for some reason. I've tried searching usernames too but Capcom ID doesn't always match a Steam display name.

And for PS4 the players met feature is no longer mandatory and has to be enabled from the developer side and it isn't for SFV because Capcom I guess, which is annoying as well for the thing said before. On the flipside you don't really get any hatemail because by the time you went through all those hoops, the anger probably subsided. Still a net loss since hate-mail was really funny sometimes although most of it went down to calling me nazi scum because I'm german.

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009


Do video game journalists get paid

deadly_pudding
May 13, 2009

who the fuck is scraeming
"LOG OFF" at my house.
show yourself, coward.
i will never log off

Help Im Alive posted:

Do video game journalists get paid

Based on how many of them have Patreon-fueled podcasts and/or twitch streams as side gigs, I'm gonna go with "barely".

yo mamma a Horus
Apr 7, 2008

Nap Ghost

"vortex" style

cool dude

Constellation I
Apr 3, 2005
I'm a sucker, a little fucker.
He probably should've just put quotation marks on every word in that article.

Agoat
Dec 4, 2012

I AM BAD AT GAMES
Lipstick Apathy

CVE posted:

And for PS4 the players met feature is no longer mandatory and has to be enabled from the developer side and it isn't for SFV because Capcom I guess, which is annoying as well for the thing said before. On the flipside you don't really get any hatemail because by the time you went through all those hoops, the anger probably subsided. Still a net loss since hate-mail was really funny sometimes although most of it went down to calling me nazi scum because I'm german.

I like hatemail! Pubbie tears are the best. It's 90% of the reason why I played Rust as long as I did.

cams
Mar 28, 2003


Agoat posted:

I like hatemail! Pubbie tears are the best. It's 90% of the reason why I played Rust as long as I did.
i would 100% be playing fang online all of the time if people had a way to send me ragemail

boxcarhobo
Jun 23, 2005

Constellation I posted:

He probably should've just put quotation marks on every word in that article.

"cheap", "overpowered" and "god tier"
"trash"
"vortex"
"mixup"
"gimmicks"
"Passion Rope Throw"
"bounce"
"vortex"
"high skill"
"cheap" and a "troll"
"footsies" style and "neutral" game
"Internet SuperTroll"
"supertroll"
"meta"
"cons"

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord
"gaming" "journalist"

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

Whos gonna be the dlc character for april 30th

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

Whos gonna be the dlc character for april 30th

I think this image is all we have to go on but I guess there's no guarantee that's actually the order

Fereydun
May 9, 2008

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

Whos gonna be the dlc character for april 30th

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cams
Mar 28, 2003


Help Im Alive posted:

I think this image is all we have to go on but I guess there's no guarantee that's actually the order


i will be happy with any non-ibuki character from this

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