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kalstrams posted:He sends you many thanks! We're going over this in Skype at the moment (I'm translating since he doesn't speak English), and he has a question about the improvement you suggest - you mention, that he could use My recommendation would just be to ace Cat Burglar. You actually don't need Cat Burglar Ace, it gives you the overwhelming majority of its value in the Basic version, but there aren't enough one point wonders left to really make things worth it. Under normal circumstances, I would point to SMG Specialist Basic, which is superb for one point, but since he has already invested so many points into pistols he'll never use an SMG. Cat Burglar is kind of required if you're doing a light ballistic vest run around a lot build because fall damage in this game is weird and without Cat Burglar your chief enemy will be stairs. There's other stuff you can do (as the thread has pointed out), but my recommendation would be to just play a little bit again before messing with it more. Again, I feel like this is a game where you really do not need to spend a ton of time stressing over your build, so going back and forth about every little thing seems counterproductive. Just don't be afraid to respec and experiment from time to time. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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RE: Steadiness - Tough Guy multiplies the base steadiness value of the armor in question by 2 and thick skin acts as a flat +10 on top of that. Suits and LBVs have the same base steadiness (11), so tough guy is giving just as much stability as thick skin. As a point of reference, ICTV has a base steadiness of 22. Steadiness is a very gunfeely thing, and I'm not fond of making hard-and-fast declarations on the effectiveness of something that is after all pretty subjective. How much is your aim jarred by incoming fire? It would depend on the guns you're using, what you're trying to do at the time, and your personal preferences, no? This is not a game you need to minmax in. Try a few things, see how you like them. Get on the steam group chat and the mumble and play with goons. There are a lot of guns in this game and the overwhelming majority of them are a lot of fun. Dr Cheeto fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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Coolguye posted:My recommendation would just be to ace Cat Burglar. You actually don't need Cat Burglar Ace, it gives you the overwhelming majority of its value in the Basic version, but there aren't enough one point wonders left to really make things worth it. Under normal circumstances, I would point to SMG Specialist Basic, which is superb for one point, but since he has already invested so many points into pistols he'll never use an SMG. Cat Burglar is kind of required if you're doing a light ballistic vest run around a lot build because fall damage in this game is weird and without Cat Burglar your chief enemy will be stairs.
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UnknownMercenary posted:RPG clipping/having no effect is only something I see with extreme lag so either their host is far away or they got really lovely internet. It's my personal experience that it's gradually gotten worse over time, which may tip the scales from "works often enough you don't notice" to "whiffs just often enough for you to notice" independent of internet changes (e.g. same host/client, same ISPs for both) but I obviously don't know for sure if it's just me or if it's everyone.
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Zigmidge posted:
Welcome to the Steam Achievement Manager support group. Be sure to pick up your complimentary DLC mods at the door.
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Zigmidge posted:
I actually like running people through their achievement lists. I gotta do that again one of these nights.
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Plan Z posted:I actually like running people through their achievement lists. I gotta do that again one of these nights. A bunch of my friends who have largely stopped playing only come back when there are new achievements or when someone wants to run through achievements that they missed while they were away, and then they play a few hours doing just those achievements.
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I remember this being  the last time I saw something about it, but what's developer's policy on GoonMod's GageCoins?
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kalstrams posted:I remember this being I don't believe there is any official word either way. However, they also haven't bothered with stopping far more broken things (like outright cheating) or things that impact their cash flow (like the skin unlocker), so you're prooooobably just fine.
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Tempest_56 posted:I don't believe there is any official word either way. However, they also haven't bothered with stopping far more broken things (like outright cheating) or things that impact their cash flow (like the skin unlocker), so you're prooooobably just fine.
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kalstrams posted:I remember this being They're fine with it. They couldn't care less. Their official policy is that gameplay-changing mods are only problems if used to abuse other players, and piracy mods are always inappropriate.
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kalstrams posted:Alright, will hope they won't get me for 'buying' a scope or two before I stop playing the game again. PocoHUD still the best one, or is there new hotness around? No one will do anything. I'm pretty sure drat near everyone in this thread has spent hundred of gagecoins by now.
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Discendo Vox posted:They're fine with it. They couldn't care less. Their official policy is that gameplay-changing mods are only problems if used to abuse other players, and piracy mods are always inappropriate.
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Skin and DLC unlockers. Steam Achievement Manager is generally frowned upon too but they only ban for that based on reports, and it's just a community ban. There's no sort of VAC or any other anti-cheat.
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kalstrams posted:Alright, will hope they won't get me for 'buying' a scope or two before I stop playing the game again. PocoHUD still the best one, or is there new hotness around? MSPaint hud!
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Coolguye posted:My recommendation would just be to ace Cat Burglar. You actually don't need Cat Burglar Ace, it gives you the overwhelming majority of its value in the Basic version, but there aren't enough one point wonders left to really make things worth it. Under normal circumstances, I would point to SMG Specialist Basic, which is superb for one point, but since he has already invested so many points into pistols he'll never use an SMG. Cat Burglar is kind of required if you're doing a light ballistic vest run around a lot build because fall damage in this game is weird and without Cat Burglar your chief enemy will be stairs. I wanna make a build for Akimbo Heathers. I guess they don't benefit from the Pistol skills?
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jerichojx posted:I wanna make a build for Akimbo Heathers. I guess they don't benefit from the Pistol skills? SMG skills
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Coolguye posted:My recommendation would just be to ace Cat Burglar. You actually don't need Cat Burglar Ace, it gives you the overwhelming majority of its value in the Basic version, but there aren't enough one point wonders left to really make things worth it. Under normal circumstances, I would point to SMG Specialist Basic, which is superb for one point, but since he has already invested so many points into pistols he'll never use an SMG. Cat Burglar is kind of required if you're doing a light ballistic vest run around a lot build because fall damage in this game is weird and without Cat Burglar your chief enemy will be stairs. I wanna make a build for Akimbo Heathers. I guess they don't benefit from the Pistol skills?
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Literal Nazi Furry posted:SMG skills But there's only one SMG skill right?
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Forever unclean! Forever unclean!
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Drewjitsu posted:Forever unclean! Forever unclean! Who needs to be clean when you can root around in the meme mud with me 
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jerichojx posted:But there's only one SMG skill right? Correct. Don't ace it or they become straight-up uncontrollable. Build the guns for as much stability as you can.
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Dr Cheeto posted:Correct. Don't ace it or they become straight-up uncontrollable. Build the guns for as much stability as you can. I can vouch for that. I tried it last night and while they murdered everything super fast? Crazy rear end recoil and they went through ammo at an unsustainably shocking rate.
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smg specialist was worth it to me for this reason coolguy: hey guys look at me plan z: what do you want THIS TIME coolguy: *fires a kross from full to empty in a quarter second* coolguy: that was 40 bullets plan z: okay that was pretty funny actually one in a row for you
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Cop physics usually doesn't always work out in my favour (e.g being dropkicked through a wall) but I cherish the moments when it isn't hellbent on murdering me! e:There is nothing wrong with my choice in huds. 
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Locke is my favourite raiding husbando! 
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kalstrams posted:Locke is my favourite raiding husbando! Yeah, for sure.
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Going to pop in and say again that forced stealth heists make absolutely zero sense within the Payday 2 universe. The gang has carried out multiple, multi-day heists in which they have slaughtered thousands of elite policemen and heavily armed mercenaries. Somehow they have to steal an item undetected or they'll be 'hosed'. Why can't they just shoot their way out given they've done it so many times against incredibly heavy odds on so many other occasions? Did get all the achievements with a good group of pubbies though, so never playing that one again because forced stealth is stupid and unfun.
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It makes sense for murky station, since you're doing this under the other guy's nose and the idea is boiling point takes place the morning after the raid before anyone finds out. I agree with you on shadow raid though.
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When are we going to be able to shoot and blow up drones? I've been caught once by them and I want my revenge.
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Wastrel_ posted:Going to pop in and say again that forced stealth heists make absolutely zero sense within the Payday 2 universe. The gang has carried out multiple, multi-day heists in which they have slaughtered thousands of elite policemen and heavily armed mercenaries. Somehow they have to steal an item undetected or they'll be 'hosed'. Why can't they just shoot their way out given they've done it so many times against incredibly heavy odds on so many other occasions? Because it's fun.
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Clearly, Murkywater is scrambling one of their nukes and that's why you need to get out.
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Zigmidge posted:Because it's fun. Nah. While Murky Station is well made, it is still a stealth heist. There isn't much to come back to once you're done. Stealth is the most boring way to play this game.
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oohhboy posted:Stealth is the most boring way to play this game. Nah
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oohhboy posted:Nah. While Murky Station is well made, it is still a stealth heist. There isn't much to come back to once you're done. Stealth is the most boring way to play this game. I mean, you're not wrong but on the other hand you really are.
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I'll agree in that I burned out once doing nothing but stealth H&T banks to get my first infamy level. Sucked soo loving hard. Anymore I generally enjoy stealth. Art Heist, Shadow Raid, and Murky Station are all good poo poo. Framing Frame can still get hosed with a trident. Need to figure out how to do Alesso. Not really tried ti much, but it seems fun. Especially the No Kill run.
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Stealth can be fun if you have a bunch of guys who know how stealth works and preferably you all have mics and there is no or very little desync.
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Laputanmachine posted:Stealth can be fun if you have a bunch of guys who know how stealth works and preferably you all have mics and there is no or very little desync. Stealth is fun without these things as well.
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I have a list of conditions for fun, perhaps you guys would like to read it 1.
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