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ImpAtom posted:It got an official Tokyopop translation but like a lot of those it is kind of rear end. One of the ones that stood out to me most is when Prayer looks at Canard and sees him covered by black flames of hatred they translated it as "BLACK FRAME?!" The Tokyopop translation is also way way way out of print tho'. lol Oh Tokyopop.
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oohhboy posted:Did you see the ending to those shows? We are super robots now, everything Real about it gets rendered moot as they throw all the rules out the window. 'Real Robot' doesn't mean jack poo poo, really, the term was made up to distinguish between "Super Robot Wars Protagonist that pilots a Gundam" and "Super Robot Wars Protagonist that pilots a Mazinger". But you already think your definition of Newtype is better than the definition everyone else uses so I'm not going to continue this.
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Apr 6, 2016 17:22
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Lemon-Lime posted:The absence or presence of psychic powers have absolutely nothing to do with where a show falls on the real/super robot spectrum. And this is illustrated most clearly by the Gundam that most definitively rejects the idea of newtypes outright, which also happens to be the one with literal kungfu robots and a super move powered by love. I mean Domon and Rain's relationship was very deliberately written as a counterpoint to the lovely forced teen drama that newtype connections inflicted on the audience.
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Apr 6, 2016 17:23
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Motto posted:Real/Super is a silly categorization system anyway. Yeah, even in shows like Gundam that use the robots as military tools, robot anime almost always uses the robots as a vehicle for (super) heroic action or iconography.
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oohhboy posted:Did you see the ending to those shows? We are super robots now, everything Real about it gets rendered moot as they throw all the rules out the window. The "real" and "Super" divide tends to be military (or grounded for the setting) or not, not realistic. The original Gundam was a brightly-colored transforming robot that combined into different forms and wielded literal super robot weapons, just framed in a military show where the super robot aspects were given excuses in-setting instead of being one-of-a-kind superheroic machines. Some of the most iconic of the iconic real robot shows are filled to the brim with extraordinary powers.
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Apr 6, 2016 17:24
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Motto posted:Real/Super is a silly categorization system. Yah there are far too many shows that blend the two together anyways
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Apr 6, 2016 17:24
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Plus the era of sci-fi that Gundam was inspired by at the time was full to the brim of psychic powers, east or west, so it's kind of a sign of its influences. I can understand not being interested in those bits, but they've definitely always been a part of formula that made Gundam.
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Apr 6, 2016 17:26
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The most "real' robot show after Gundam is probably Macross, a show where the protagonists pilot giant transforming jet fighters to battle space aliens who are overcome by pop songs and culture and where the literal titular machine is a giant transforming battleship that turns into a humanoid mecha.muike posted:Plus the era of sci-fi that Gundam was inspired by at the time was full to the brim of psychic powers, east or west, so it's kind of a sign of its influences. I can understand not being interested in those bits, but they've definitely always been a part of formula that made Gundam. This too.
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muike posted:Yeah, even in shows like Gundam that use the robots as military tools, robot anime almost always uses the robots as a vehicle for (super) heroic action or iconography. Its the little touches that help ground them. Like most Gundams being major hangar queens between even minor skirmishes.
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One of the most realistic mecha anime I've seen also included demon robots summoned by psychics. This was not as important to the plot as salt.Neddy Seagoon posted:Its the little touches that help ground them. Like most Gundams being major hangar queens between even minor skirmishes. Those are some of my favorite things. Along with the cockpit pornography that Unicorn has.
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muike posted:One of the most realistic mecha anime I've seen also included demon robots summoned by psychics. This was not as important to the plot as salt. VOTOMS ends with a computer space god and the reveal that the protagonist is a literal overman who rejects the promise of godhood while also being 90% about lovely disposable crapmecha in Vietnam or whatnot.
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Votoms is what I think about for something that's on the real end of things and even that goes places with supernatural stuff that's never fully explained
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ImpAtom posted:The most "real' robot show after Gundam is probably Macross, a show where the protagonists pilot giant transforming jet fighters to battle space aliens who are overcome by pop songs and culture and where the literal titular machine is a giant transforming battleship that turns into a humanoid mecha. In VOTOMS there's people who can't die and an alien supercomputer with magic powers that is basically God. In Patlabor there's ghosts and a giant monster. You'd think people would have figured this poo poo out by 2016 yet here we are. e: lol
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ImpAtom posted:The "real" and "Super" divide tends to be military (or grounded for the setting) or not, not realistic. The original Gundam was a brightly-colored transforming robot that combined into different forms and wielded literal super robot weapons, just framed in a military show where the super robot aspects were given excuses in-setting instead of being one-of-a-kind superheroic machines. Some of the most iconic of the iconic real robot shows are filled to the brim with extraordinary powers. Do remember that one of the most famous 'real robot' show, VOTOMS, had as its main plot that the main character was a reality-warping superhuman being, and the literal god of the galaxy was grooming him as his successor. It can be a very fuzzy distinction that's more to do with how fans interpret a show's aesthetics than anything else.
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Votoms is pretty good for that, but I still think Gasaraki's supernatural stuff is way more out there, at least in presentation. I mean, Gasaraki, ostensibly, takes place in the real world, whereas VOTOMS might as well take place in the Galactic Republic.
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Man, VOTOMS hivemind.
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You know what's crazier than Wiseman? THey use goddamn floppy disks in the ATs
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muike posted:You know what's crazier than Wiseman? THey use goddamn floppy disks in the ATs Those kilobytes of data are the difference between victory and defeat. 
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ImpAtom posted:Man, VOTOMS hivemind. Wiseman'll do that to you.
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I've never actually seen VOTOMS, just Armor Hunter Mellowlink.
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ImpAtom posted:It got an official Tokyopop translation but like a lot of those it is kind of rear end. One of the ones that stood out to me most is when Prayer looks at Canard and sees him covered by black flames of hatred they translated it as "BLACK FRAME?!" The Tokyopop translation is also way way way out of print tho'. I think my favorite tokoypop translation was an editor's note saying that "coordinators have psychic abilities"
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T.G. Xarbala posted:I've never actually seen VOTOMS, just Armor Hunter Mellowlink.
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Motto posted:Real/Super is a silly categorization system. Srice posted:Yah there are far too many shows that blend the two together anyways It's easier to say "I like real robot" than "I like shows where mechs are treated as tools and use conventional weapons instead of shooting their own fists at things, powerful mechs are explained away as field-testing brand new technology, and mechs don't have animal heads on their chests or bright primary colour paint-jobs."  The important thing to remember is that it's a spectrum and not a binary. Every Gundam show has both "real" and "super" elements. IBO is probably the realest Gundam and it still has "these ancient machines passed down in noble families outperform everything we've developed in the last 300 years," while G Gundam has mechs that are mass-produced and used for entertainment purposes. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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Monaghan posted:I think my favorite tokoypop translation was an editor's note saying that "coordinators have psychic abilities" (picture of quinn mantha) Shoot the Cyber-Newtype until it dies.
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muike posted:Compared to the majority of VOTOMs stuff that isn't the original VOTOMs, it's pretty alright. To be fair you don't get much more real than a guy who doesn't even have his own robot to fight other robots with, just his wits, traps, and a bunch of outdated anti-(robot)tank gear. I'd probably have watched VOTOMs proper by now if I didn't see some of the military uniforms and immediately think "spaceballs"
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ImpAtom posted:Those kilobytes of data are the difference between victory and defeat. Make sure you flick the tab so you can't overwrite the mission disk or you're gonna be in real trouble.
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It's important to remember that Gundam is 70s sci-fi through and through. That's what makes it great.
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Lemon-Lime posted:It's easier to say "I like real robot" than "I like shows where mechs are treated as tools and use conventional weapons instead of shooting their own fists at things, powerful mechs are explained away as field-testing brand new technology, and mechs don't have animal heads on their chests or bright primary colour paint-jobs." To be fair the last Gundam show which waved its hand at realism featured this robot!  Monaghan posted:I think my favorite tokoypop translation was an editor's note saying that "coordinators have psychic abilities" Good ol' Tokyopop. They actually apologize for that one in one of the other volumes at least!
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Lemon-Lime posted:It's easier to say "I like real robot" than "I like shows where mechs are treated as tools and use conventional weapons instead of shooting their own fists at things, powerful mechs are explained away as field-testing brand new technology, and mechs don't have animal heads on their chests or bright primary colour paint-jobs." The best robot in G Gundam is the butler robot that is controlled entirely by way of a steering wheel and pedals.
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@ oohhboy Your hatred of Newtypes makes me think you need a little Gundam Wing in your life. Nary a Newtype in sight.
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NikkolasKing posted:@ oohhboy Ask Quatre about the Heart of Space sometime.
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NikkolasKing posted:@ oohhboy Yeah, all that Wing has is a computer system with predictions so accurate it allows you to literally see the future.
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EthanSteele posted:Unicorn is like an ultra distillation of all things Gundam, any Gundam you watch after it will have things in it where you'll go "oh that's like X" so you're not far off on the IBO comparison, just gotta remember the order of origins. Thanks! I have no idea what the hell ya'll have been talking about for the last two pages but I'll keep giving ya'll my impressions of Unicorn as a new Gundam fan.
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ImpAtom posted:Ask Quatre about the Heart of Space sometime. He's a big Space Heart Jerk imo.
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The artist behind the gag comic pages from IBO is moving onto RE-0096.
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Unicorn would be much improved by Marida having the ghosts of Purus hanging out on her shoulders the entire time.
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T.G. Xarbala posted:Because it's true. Most of the melodrama in SEED comes free range without needing the space psychic additives. I don't know that I can think of a Gundam show more melodramatic than it. All those shouts of ATHRUN! and KIRA!, all those flashbacks to Nicol (who now killed himself, the moron), Rau's motivation and basically everything he did in the last 10 or so episodes once he reveals his plan - the show is chock full of it. And I like some of it. I still look fondly on Fllay as one of the high points of that show, because she reacted badly during the start of the show, but she did so in a very human and understandable way. She comes around way too quick and way too hard after Rau kidnaps her, but she's a good character regardless. It's not a show I'm a fan of though and I doubt I could ever re-watch it. Also, while it may have gotten rid of newtypes, it replaced it with the SEED factor - which is no better really. People activate SEED based almost on angst and it allows for a lot of similar poo poo and even by the end of SEED itself it's become kind of silly. Lacus' activates it for seemingly no good in the finale for instance. And it's not like the show doesn't carry over some legacy of newtypism regardless. Even discounting Mwu, Kira and others being newtypes, Kira still has a naked space conversation with Fllay after she apparently dies. It's no less silly in SEED than in any UC show. Not to mention Kira surviving not one but two apparent death blasts from exploding mobile suits. It was silly in Wing and it's silly in SEED too.
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AradoBalanga posted:The artist behind the gag comic pages from IBO is moving onto RE-0096. Here is the webpage in case you didn't make it your homepage or something http://seiga.nicovideo.jp/comic/20099
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