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pookel posted:If by "amazing" you mean "a horrifying example of a writer throwing ethics to the wind in pursuit of an interesting story, then cashing in on violating people's privacy after the statute of limitations had passed so he couldn't be arrested," then sure, yeah. So, honest question: did you just not read Centripetal Horse's blurb before you clicked on the link? The post pretty much covers what's terrible about the article, and the article is by Gay Talese, so I'm not really sure what you were expecting. Regarding your edit: are you saying it would be better if he hadn't named the motel, so that anyone who had stayed at any motel would have to wonder that? e: I mean, look: failure to report a crime isn't a crime; failure to stop a crime from being committed isn't a crime; and it would be entirely possible for a reasonable jury to conclude that what Goos actually did wasn't a crime and that you don't have an expectation of privacy in a motel room. (As far as I know, Colorado has no standing laws on the subject.) If the subject matter squicks you out, that's fine, you've got every right to be squicked out. But you may want to reconsider making GBS threads on people for enjoying an unnerving article in the unnerving article thread. SneezeOfTheDecade has a new favorite as of 20:26 on Apr 6, 2016 |
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Apr 6, 2016 20:20
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The forbidden experiment -- sex version.
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Besesoth posted:So, honest question: did you just not read Centripetal Horse's blurb before you clicked on the link? The post pretty much covers what's terrible about the article, and the article is by Gay Talese, so I'm not really sure what you were expecting. All I know about Gay Talese is he's old and he's a writer. I didn't expect the article would involve him actually participating in crimes. And, re: the edit, I'm saying that he uses "they'll never know" as justification and then renders that justification obsolete, which clearly indicates he didn't give a gently caress about it. I'm not surprised to see creepy stuff in a creepy thread, but yeah, kind of surprising to see goons fanboy over reading about people getting violated. It's like praising the videography of that guy who taped Erin Andrews. I don't care how skilled he is, that poo poo is terrible.
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Let's all continue to say "hmm that's very unnerving" and move on.
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pookel posted:I'm not surprised to see creepy stuff in a creepy thread, but yeah, kind of surprising to see goons fanboy over reading about people getting violated. It's like praising the videography of that guy who taped Erin Andrews. I don't care how skilled he is, that poo poo is terrible. No, it's not. It's like praising the writing of a journalist who covered the story of the guy who taped Erin Andrews.
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The current Inuit aren't very ancient. They're actually part of a conquering culture called the Thule that completely wiped out the previously existing people over the course of only a few hundred years. They pushed the previous inhabitants, the Dorset, so far East that they frequently bumped heads with curious Nordic explorers looking for the new world. Why bother a rapid and warlike expansion of one of the the harshest climates on Earth? Good question. Nobody quite knows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_people
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Phanatic posted:No, it's not. It's like praising the writing of a journalist who covered the story of the guy who taped Erin Andrews.
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sometimes journalists do lovely things to get a story, news at 11
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Having a harsh environment that places significant restrictions on population density tends to make people expand. The Inuit also tended to leave in search of better hunting grounds, not to mention try to avoid other cultures like Native Americans. Their society was well adapted to survive off of Arctic maritime resources, and they followed that to its logical extent. They were so well adapted that they even expanded during times like the Little Ice Age, when European Nordic states had a bitch of a time.
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pookel posted:All I know about Gay Talese is he's old and he's a writer. I didn't expect the article would involve him actually participating in crimes. And, re: the edit, I'm saying that he uses "they'll never know" as justification and then renders that justification obsolete, which clearly indicates he didn't give a gently caress about it. You're conflating Talese with his subject... pretty much throughout. Nobody is fanboying about people getting violated, and it's a little weird that you think we are. It's an excellent article about someone who did something deplorable - and someone who, it should be noted, asked Talese to sign a non-disclosure agreement before he'd even talk, so if Talese had disclosed what he'd seen/heard/read, it would have both been unethical and exposed Talese to a lawsuit. Perhaps you feel that Talese had a moral obligation to report it anyway; fine. I don't necessarily agree, but then, I've been reading New Journalists like Talese, Tom Wolfe, and Hunter Thompson for years, for whom the law is less a maxim and more an inconvenience, so perhaps I'm inured. Regardless. Nobody is celebrating the fact that Foos managed to spend decades spying on motel patrons. It's the writing that's being praised, not the subject matter. e: Foos, not Goos.  is not a serial voyeur. ...that we know of.
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Literally The Worst posted:I want to know more about th guy who sat backwards on the toilet
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Centripetal Horse posted:Apparently, Gay Talese has been in regular contact for several decades with a hotel owner who turned his hotel into a private voyeur preserve. Fifty years after the hotelier installed special vents in the ceilings of his rooms so he could watch - and record in detail - the sexual escapades of his patrons, he is ready to have his story told. Huh. Didn't know "Gay Talese" was one of Stephen Glass's pen names.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:Huh. Didn't know "Gay Talese" was one of Stephen Glass's pen names. Even Glass's official birthdate is fabricated! 
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Its like a modern sitcom. After jerking off from a vent in the ceiling, the hotel manager takes a moral stand by flushing his customers' drug stash. Back at the peephole, he observes the karmic justice of their frantic searching and paranoia as the male guest beats his girlfriend to death CUT TO: manager mugging for the camera, while inching away from the vent to theme from CURB Your Enthusiasm
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I lived in Aurora for several years - well after the time that dude had sold his motel apparently, and never knew about this. It's funny to me that this place was there because there's a well known (locally, anyway) motel in Aurora called the Mon Chalet that's basically a sex motel for kinky folks, swingers, and folks that like to watch or be watched during sex. I'm sure the MC came well after his time, but I wonder what Foos would have thought of it. Probably that it was worthless for research since no doubt people act differently when they know or assume they're being watched. As much as Talese implies Foos may have fabricated stuff, I wonder how much he fabricated or embellished. The thing with his necktie in the vent was almost too cute to be true. Whatever I think of him as a person who tacitly conspired with a criminal, I did enjoy his writing style. Gonna check out more of his stuff.
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Karma Monkey posted:I wonder how much he fabricated or embellished. The thing with his necktie in the vent was almost too cute to be true. We can confirm with a reasonable level of confidence that Colorado is indeed a state, and that there may or may not be motels there. The rest belongs in the STDH.txt thread
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:We can confirm with a reasonable level of confidence that Colorado is indeed a state, and that there may or may not be motels there. Oh good, I thought I was the only one. I thought maybe years of internet had made me unreasonably suspicious of stories like this. Although I guess even an unreasonably suspicious person is bound to be right once in a while. 
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And to think, all of this peeping and murder not reporting could have been avoided if the dude would have just manned up and drilled his aunt like a normal person.
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She probably left the blinds open as an invitation to a threesome with his uncle, but the kid never caught on. "Harold, is that kid out there staring? still? Well, I'm through loving around with these thimbles. I don't care how into it you think he'd be if he won't ring the bell. I'm tired. We have Church tomorrow."
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Centripetal Horse posted:Apparently, Gay Talese has been in regular contact for several decades with a hotel owner who turned his hotel into a private voyeur preserve. Fifty years after the hotelier installed special vents in the ceilings of his rooms so he could watch - and record in detail - the sexual escapades of his patrons, he is ready to have his story told. That is one of the most fascinating things I've read. Many thanks for that link.
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FuhrerHat posted:The current Inuit aren't very ancient. They're actually part of a conquering culture called the Thule that completely wiped out the previously existing people over the course of only a few hundred years. They pushed the previous inhabitants, the Dorset, so far East that they frequently bumped heads with curious Nordic explorers looking for the new world. Led me to an article on an archaeological site (gravesite) of frozen mummies found on Greenland. It's dated from ad 1475. That's the year Michelangelo was born. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qilakitsoq
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queserasera posted:Led me to an article on an archaeological site (gravesite) of frozen mummies found on Greenland. It's dated from ad 1475. That's the year Michelangelo was born. Bodies of miners in Svalbard and Inuit in Alaska which were buried in permafrost were exhumed in order for scientists to sequence the DNA of Spanish Influenza 1918-20. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic It killed 50-100 million people worldwide, many more than the First World War. The bodies of Franklin's men were also buried in permafrost in the Canadian Arctic and exhumed for examination 150 years after they were buried: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin%27s_lost_expedition#Beechey_Island_excavations_and_exhumations_.281984.E2.80.9386.29 More weird polar/ice related stuff available on this thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3655083&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
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Gargamel Gibson posted:What's the connection to Michelangelo? He's a party dude.
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Alris posted:This is a pro-click article. Josef K. Sourdust posted:That is one of the most fascinating things I've read. Many thanks for that link. I'm glad so many people enjoyed it. I'm not surprised people are angry about it, but I am a bit surprised GOTTA STAY FAI seems so hostile to its veracity. "Creepy guy does creepy stuff to satisfy his creepy sexual proclivities" is one of the least-hard-to-believe things I've ever read. Gay Talese could be full of poo poo, but I don't think his record supports that. FAI, why do you seem so convinced it's bullshit?
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Centripetal Horse posted:I'm glad so many people enjoyed it. I'm not surprised people are angry about it, but I am a bit surprised GOTTA STAY FAI seems so hostile to its veracity. "Creepy guy does creepy stuff to satisfy his creepy sexual proclivities" is one of the least-hard-to-believe things I've ever read. Gay Talese could be full of poo poo, but I don't think his record supports that. FAI, why do you seem so convinced it's bullshit? Not that it matters, but as another poster mentioned, when his tie went through the vent, I thought, "Oh poo poo this is just fiction." But then I checked the name of the author, and then there was a supposed pic of Foos. Nevertheless parts of it strike me as exaggerated. And of course Talese mentions that he thinks that Foos may have exaggerated or fabricated different aspects and anecdotes.
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Making poo poo up that doesn't affect the overall honesty of a piece but improves the story is what separates a great journalist from a decent one. More generally, the goal of literary journalism is to produce a narrative that is more accurate than would be possible if you composed it solely of elements that are literally true.
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Alereon posted:Making poo poo up that doesn't affect the overall honesty of a piece but improves the story is what separates a great journalist from a decent one. Going to bet that everyone who thinks that piece is cool has a Y chromosome.
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Or an avid card collector!
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Besesoth posted:e: I mean, look: failure to report a crime isn't a crime; failure to stop a crime from being committed isn't a crime; and it would be entirely possible for a reasonable jury to conclude that what Goos actually did wasn't a crime and that you don't have an expectation of privacy in a motel room. Besesoth posted:- and someone who, it should be noted, asked Talese to sign a non-disclosure agreement before he'd even talk, so if Talese had disclosed what he'd seen/heard/read, it would have both been unethical and exposed Talese to a lawsuit. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're not a lawyer. Fun and interesting article, questionable morals and priorities, a bunch of completely illegal poo poo. Breaking a makeshift non-disclosure agreement with someone engaged in illegal and immoral activities would be unethical. Uh huh.
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pookel posted:Going to bet that everyone who thinks that piece is cool has a Y chromosome. Oh good, transphobia, just what this thread needed. Dissapointed Owl posted:I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're not a lawyer. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're not either.  I'm out. Have fun with your morally-superior objections to unnerving stories in the unnerving stories thread on the Something Awful comedy forums.
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china bot posted:PYF: we cannot be trusted to discuss anything correctly
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Yeah, honestly the author's 'awww this is soooo unethical but the story is important!' guilt-admitting whining was annoying. He probably just didn't want to also get in trouble for totally perving on that couple engaged in oral sex, and probably enjoyed a few more nights' worth of low-tech pornhub or all that written smut from the dude. I honestly doubt a NDA not written by a lawyer and about illegal activities would be upheld, and/or he could have immediately gone to the police to set up a sting and then written about that. The article author's actions are unnerving. So I guess thread delivers?
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Gargamel Gibson posted:What's the connection to Michelangelo? I'm fascinated by world timelines of history, especially when learning about different cultures. What else was going on in the world when X happened? And that Arctic thread gave me a bunch of stuff to read and made me put on a sweater.
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Besesoth posted:Oh good, transphobia, just what this thread needed. Oh god I love a good shitfling 
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Alereon posted:Making poo poo up that doesn't affect the overall honesty of a piece but improves the story is what separates a great journalist from a decent one. More generally, the goal of literary journalism is to produce a narrative that is more accurate than would be possible if you composed it solely of elements that are literally true. I don't necessarily disagree with you but that detail stood out to me as false -- narratively and emotionally. It's just too cute. I'd sooner believe 100% of a Faulkner story. Meanwhile quote:As a nonfiction writer who insists on using real names in articles and books, So I'm not even saying it didn't happen, but that the writer didn't make me believe that it had happened.
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This was kinda written in the exact same style as that once piece written about that dude who helped euthanize people and that one was written much more dramatically so Im curious why this style is suddenly seen as "fiction-like" to people. If I remember correctly a lot of poo poo couldn't be corroborated on that one too since it all involved people who died.Chiparus posted:I honestly doubt a NDA not written by a lawyer and about illegal activities would be upheld, and/or he could have immediately gone to the police to set up a sting and then written about that. Pretty sure he could kinda care less about the legal aspect of breaking the NDA and more the professional impact of him now being known as someone who cant keep a source confidential. Im no journalist but I'm pretty sure that would loving kill your career. Telsa Cola has a new favorite as of 07:35 on Apr 7, 2016 |
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Stop being douchebags, this thread is good and weird and you're gonna ruin it. Jerks. Have we discussed the Hinterkaifeck murders yet? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinterkaifeck_murders
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